Great photo, just superb!
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Blimey, that brings back some memories Alan! I remember it being a more vivid green, but what do I know! Am I imagining it, or did I see Nick roll it at Paddock Hill Bend? I saw him race this car so many times, always immaculately prepared Great photo, just superb!
Great photo, just superb!
Sterling, Nick did indeed roll the Anglia at Paddock and a photo of the car standing on its nose graced the front cover of race programmes for the next two seasons which is why it probably has stuck in the memory so well.
Earlier on in this thread there is an Eddie Whitham photo of two Anglias at Oulton and I queried if one of them was Terry Drury. Well now that my flu is going away it struck me that a quick perusal of Motor Racing Directory 1966 would be in order and guess what, it is possible that the photo is indeed of Terry Drury and Alan Peer taking part in the Oulton Park round of the Spring Grove Saloon Car Championship in 1965 these two Essex Anglia experts going on to finish first and second in class at the end of the season.
glyn
Earlier on in this thread there is an Eddie Whitham photo of two Anglias at Oulton and I queried if one of them was Terry Drury. Well now that my flu is going away it struck me that a quick perusal of Motor Racing Directory 1966 would be in order and guess what, it is possible that the photo is indeed of Terry Drury and Alan Peer taking part in the Oulton Park round of the Spring Grove Saloon Car Championship in 1965 these two Essex Anglia experts going on to finish first and second in class at the end of the season.
glyn
Originally posted by Alan Cox
No, Phil. No doctoring required. I agree that the colour quality is superb.
No, Phil. No doctoring required. I agree that the colour quality is superb.
And sharpness. Do you know what camera and lenses he used?
Originally posted by alansart
Do you know what camera and lenses he used?
Do you know what camera and lenses he used?
I've received the following info from Eddie:
At the time I used mainly Kodak Ektachrome Transparency film and I think it was either 200 or 100 ASA. The camera was a Pentax (35mm and I recall it being small about the same size as the Olympus OM series cameras) with a standard Takumar (50mm) and I later bought a 100mm Takumar lens (the best lens I have ever owned) This was the equip[ment I used for work and for personal use as the Warrington Guardian in those days did not provide cameras they only paid (begrudgingly) for the repairs. I paid £25 for the camera sometime in the mid 1960's and it came with a light meter that fitted onto the hot shoe (it wasn't very accurate and I hardly used it). By this time in my career I long since learned how to guess the correct exposures and distances (this is something that modern day photographers have never done). It was manual focus and when I sold it many years later I got £25 for it. The chap who bought it had it until he died a couple of years ago and it was still working well.
Best wishes Eddie
Best wishes Eddie
Originally posted by Alan Cox
I've received the following info from Eddie:
quote:
At the time I used mainly Kodak Ektachrome Transparency film and I think it was either 200 or 100 ASA. The camera was a Pentax (35mm and I recall it being small about the same size as the Olympus OM series cameras) with a standard Takumar (50mm) and I later bought a 100mm Takumar lens (the best lens I have ever owned) This was the equip[ment I used for work and for personal use as the Warrington Guardian in those days did not provide cameras they only paid (begrudgingly) for the repairs. I paid £25 for the camera sometime in the mid 1960's and it came with a light meter that fitted onto the hot shoe (it wasn't very accurate and I hardly used it). By this time in my career I long since learned how to guess the correct exposures and distances (this is something that modern day photographers have never done). It was manual focus and when I sold it many years later I got £25 for it. The chap who bought it had it until he died a couple of years ago and it was still working well.
Best wishes Eddie
I've received the following info from Eddie:
quote:
At the time I used mainly Kodak Ektachrome Transparency film and I think it was either 200 or 100 ASA. The camera was a Pentax (35mm and I recall it being small about the same size as the Olympus OM series cameras) with a standard Takumar (50mm) and I later bought a 100mm Takumar lens (the best lens I have ever owned) This was the equip[ment I used for work and for personal use as the Warrington Guardian in those days did not provide cameras they only paid (begrudgingly) for the repairs. I paid £25 for the camera sometime in the mid 1960's and it came with a light meter that fitted onto the hot shoe (it wasn't very accurate and I hardly used it). By this time in my career I long since learned how to guess the correct exposures and distances (this is something that modern day photographers have never done). It was manual focus and when I sold it many years later I got £25 for it. The chap who bought it had it until he died a couple of years ago and it was still working well.
Best wishes Eddie
I had a feeling they were transparencies, they seem to give much more depth of colour, even when scanning.
Blimey, only a 100mm lens, that's even more impressive.
Remarkable!!
I would add, Alan, that these have all been scanned on an HP scanner which cost less than £100 about three years ago, and they have all been scanned at 200dpi for posting.
Originally posted by Alan Cox
I would add, Alan, that these have all been scanned on an HP scanner which cost less than £100 about three years ago, and they have all been scanned at 200dpi for posting.
I would add, Alan, that these have all been scanned on an HP scanner which cost less than £100 about three years ago, and they have all been scanned at 200dpi for posting.
That's strange my reply has appeared on my screen 3 posts above your original, which according to the time on screen your not going to post for another 40 minutes..........
Originally posted by Alan Cox
I would add, Alan, that these have all been scanned on an HP scanner which cost less than £100 about three years ago, and they have all been scanned at 200dpi for posting.
I would add, Alan, that these have all been scanned on an HP scanner which cost less than £100 about three years ago, and they have all been scanned at 200dpi for posting.
There is a problem with posts re-ordering! This is post 555 quoting post 558!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The quoted post is now 559!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Stephen W
There is a problem with posts re-ordering! This is post 555 quoting post 558!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a problem with posts re-ordering! This is post 555 quoting post 558!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Twinnie's been playing with the time machine again
Is this a flatbed scanner? or is it a dedicated slide scanner?
The reason I ask is I bought a slide scanner for myself at Christmas, and I'm not impressed
It will not autofocus very well on slides but it's acceptable on negs
It's an Ion slides2pc, in fact I've just got back from Maplins, I've asked for a refund, theyv'e had to send it back to head office, we'll just have to wait and see, in the meantime I've been looking at the Plustek 7300, anyone had any experience of these?
Paul
Edited to add:- and why has my answer come above the question
The reason I ask is I bought a slide scanner for myself at Christmas, and I'm not impressed
It will not autofocus very well on slides but it's acceptable on negs
It's an Ion slides2pc, in fact I've just got back from Maplins, I've asked for a refund, theyv'e had to send it back to head office, we'll just have to wait and see, in the meantime I've been looking at the Plustek 7300, anyone had any experience of these?
Paul
Edited to add:- and why has my answer come above the question
Originally posted by alansart
I had a feeling they were transparencies, they seem to give much more depth of colour, even when scanning.
I had a feeling they were transparencies, they seem to give much more depth of colour, even when scanning.
They shouldn't really, Alan, colour negative film has a higher density range, if you scan from the negative rather than a print it should be at least as good. I think the main thing is that Eddies photographs are not only perfectly framed and focused, the exposure is spot on! Wonderful...
Looking through Frank de Jong's site I came across this, from a much earlier period than I recalled, 1965, and about which I had completely forgotten.
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Page...20Goodwood.html
Roger Lund
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Page...20Goodwood.html
Roger Lund
Originally posted by bradbury west
Looking through Frank de Jong's site I came across this, from a much earlier period than I recalled, 1965, and about which I had completely forgotten.
Looking through Frank de Jong's site I came across this, from a much earlier period than I recalled, 1965, and about which I had completely forgotten.
Thanks for drawing attention to that, Roger. It's a great site, isn't it? Full of interesting facts, and many interesting photos - a lot contributed by TNFers.
Edit: The sequence of posts on the previous page is bizarre, ain't it?
Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Is Stuart Graham driving his Capri or is he sitting in the back of the Walkinshaw BMW?
Kind regards
Phil
Is Stuart Graham driving his Capri or is he sitting in the back of the Walkinshaw BMW?
Kind regards
Phil
Esepcailly with Dad sitting in the back of Stuart Graham in his Capri too!!
I recently saw a picture of a Ford Transit with some girls around : Penthouse Racing . I do not seem to remember a racing team with the name. Were they in Touring or iwas it just a gag ?
Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
I recently saw a picture of a Ford Transit with some girls around : Penthouse Racing . I do not seem to remember a racing team with the name. Were they in Touring or iwas it just a gag ?
I recently saw a picture of a Ford Transit with some girls around : Penthouse Racing . I do not seem to remember a racing team with the name. Were they in Touring or iwas it just a gag ?
Penthouse sponsored Rupert Keegans F1 Hesketh in 1977. I think it may have been one of Guy Edwards deals.
Penthouse also sponsored Mazda RX3s in prodsaloon racing (Wendy Markey?) and also Tony Dron on the Tour of Britain when he was "co-driven" by a Penthouse "Pet" (For those uninitiated among you, a Penthouse "Pet" was a comely young female of the species who possessed only a very limited wardrobe)
Lets not forget Mayfair who also sponsored Production Saloons......
.....Tony Lanfranchi was always able to provide stiff
opposition.
PAR
.....Tony Lanfranchi was always able to provide stiff
opposition.
PAR
Originally posted by alansart
Penthouse sponsored Rupert Keegans F1 Hesketh in 1977. I think it may have been one of Guy Edwards deals.
Penthouse sponsored Rupert Keegans F1 Hesketh in 1977. I think it may have been one of Guy Edwards deals.
Edwards also drove a Hesketh himself in 1976.....
...which of course he was driving when he helped extract Lauda from his burning Ferrari at the German GP.
PAR
Funnily enough both saloon cars mentioned were linked indirectly by my late Dad - he did some of the suspension set-up on Wendy's car and the Commodore Dad owned (he entered it in the Tour of Britain for Denis Hulme). The Mayfair sponsorship came from Dad's lawyer, Howard Leftley (was infamous for starting the fight between Dad and James Hunt in '76) - his sister ran/owned Mayfair.
The Commodore was later sold to Pete Hall (of ICS) and he wrote it off in his first race!!
The Commodore was later sold to Pete Hall (of ICS) and he wrote it off in his first race!!
I filmed some of the saloons mentioned here in period. They are on my youtube site. Search roydpg Crystal Palace 1971, Mallory Park 1971 and Thruxton 1970, and soon some more. This is Thruxton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrvvRSyd7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrvvRSyd7E
Just watched the Mallory film.....
Brilliant !!!!
PAR
Brilliant !!!!
PAR
I just watched the Thruxton film and it really took me back - I was in the 850-1000 saloons
Another Tim Blackburn shot - Not sure why Dutchman Rein Zwolsman chose to enter the BSCC round at the May 1967 Martini Trophy meeting at Silverstone, but he was soon getting to grips with the Team Radio Veronica Abarth 1000TCR
Originally posted by ianselva
I just watched the Thruxton film and it really took me back - I was in the 850-1000 saloons
I just watched the Thruxton film and it really took me back - I was in the 850-1000 saloons
That was close racing, squeeling Minis. Fantastic to watch.
How long did you race for?
Originally posted by Alan Cox
Another Tim Blackburn shot - Not sure why Dutchman Rein Zwolsman chose to enter the BSCC round at the May 1967 Martini Trophy meeting at Silverstone, but he was soon getting to grips with the Team Radio Veronica Abarth 1000TCR
Another Tim Blackburn shot - Not sure why Dutchman Rein Zwolsman chose to enter the BSCC round at the May 1967 Martini Trophy meeting at Silverstone, but he was soon getting to grips with the Team Radio Veronica Abarth 1000TCR
Alan, I'm pretty sure that this fine picture is from 1969 rather than 1967. But I love it
You are, of course, correct, Frank. I did find the entry on your site, but transposed the wrong year.
Another of Tim Blackburn's photos
Tim has a number of photos of John Rhodes at the exit from South Bank at Brands, from different meetings but all wreathed in similar volumes of smoke from tortured tyres. Motor Show meeting 22 October 1967
Another of Tim Blackburn's photos
Tim has a number of photos of John Rhodes at the exit from South Bank at Brands, from different meetings but all wreathed in similar volumes of smoke from tortured tyres. Motor Show meeting 22 October 1967
That is exactly where I used to stand, after John had departed under the Motor Bridge, the stench of burning Dunlops was everywhere and spectators could be heard gasping for breath, as the plume wafted over the crowds 
He surely was the most spectacular Mini driver of the them all
Originally posted by richie
That was close racing, squeeling Minis. Fantastic to watch.
How long did you race for?
That was close racing, squeeling Minis. Fantastic to watch.
How long did you race for?
I started in 1968 and retired for the first time at the end of '72. When I tired of F.Ford driving tactics.
More Tim Blackburn photos
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?
Brian Muir hugs the inside line from the Piper(?) Camaro
Brands Hatch Motor Show 200 meeting, 18th October 1970
Muir's Wiggins Teape Camaro leads eventual race-winner John Fitzpatrick's Broadspeed Escort - I would give anything to see classes brought back into modern single-category saloon car racing. The giant-killing acts by people such as Clark against the Mustangs and Galaxies, and Escorts against the Camaros and Boss Mustangs were events to savour.
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?
Brian Muir hugs the inside line from the Piper(?) Camaro
Brands Hatch Motor Show 200 meeting, 18th October 1970
Muir's Wiggins Teape Camaro leads eventual race-winner John Fitzpatrick's Broadspeed Escort - I would give anything to see classes brought back into modern single-category saloon car racing. The giant-killing acts by people such as Clark against the Mustangs and Galaxies, and Escorts against the Camaros and Boss Mustangs were events to savour.
Great photos as usual Alan, the last shot of Fitz in the Camaro's boot is brilliant! Just as I remember it, the Escorts went amazingly fast, they never even dropped too much distance on the straights, a great feat for Broadspeed and others
Originally posted by Alan Cox
More Tim Blackburn photos
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?
Brian Muir hugs the inside line from the Piper(?) Camaro
Brands Hatch Motor Show 200 meeting, 18th October 1970
Muir's Wiggins Teape Camaro leads eventual race-winner John Fitzpatrick's Broadspeed Escort - I would give anything to see classes brought back into modern single-category saloon car racing. The giant-killing acts by people such as Clark against the Mustangs and Galaxies, and Escorts against the Camaros and Boss Mustangs were events to savour.
More Tim Blackburn photos
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?
Brian Muir hugs the inside line from the Piper(?) Camaro
Brands Hatch Motor Show 200 meeting, 18th October 1970
Muir's Wiggins Teape Camaro leads eventual race-winner John Fitzpatrick's Broadspeed Escort - I would give anything to see classes brought back into modern single-category saloon car racing. The giant-killing acts by people such as Clark against the Mustangs and Galaxies, and Escorts against the Camaros and Boss Mustangs were events to savour.
Fantastic
I'm somewhere in that North Tower crowd (my Dad was probably in the Beer Tent behind, moaning about the noise).
The Fitzpatrick/Muir battles at Brands were incredible. The Camaro blasting away down the straights and the little Escort all over it in the corners for lap after lap.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alan Cox
More Tim Blackburn photos
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?[/QUOTE]
I think the Camaro is Roy Pierpoints and not the Pierre du Plessis entry (which may have been driven by David Prophet) as I can just see the yellow band in front of the bonnet. The Plessis car was a very dark blue or black from memory and the bodyshell looked far more standard than the Muir and Pierpoint cars.
Glyn
More Tim Blackburn photos
Crystal Palace 25 May 1970 - I think it's Frank Gardner in the lead, and could it be David Piper in Pierre du Plessis' Camaro avoiding Dennis Leech's Boss Mustang?[/QUOTE]
I think the Camaro is Roy Pierpoints and not the Pierre du Plessis entry (which may have been driven by David Prophet) as I can just see the yellow band in front of the bonnet. The Plessis car was a very dark blue or black from memory and the bodyshell looked far more standard than the Muir and Pierpoint cars.
Glyn
One for Gregor - Taken by Tim Blackburn, I suspect it is from Brands but only detail on reverse is "3rd August". I assume it is from 1970 but can't find any reference to that date on Frank de Jong's site. Any clues, Gregor?
Great photo Alan, thank you.
If my research and Dad's diaries stack up, then the 3rd August at Brands would be 1969, a Redex Gold Cross race (on the Club circuit) - Dad finished 2nd and I have the race programme, entered as number 246, so looks like my research and collation stacks up!!
Also, the programme describes Dad as Gerry "sideways" Marshall; I can't think why!!
If my research and Dad's diaries stack up, then the 3rd August at Brands would be 1969, a Redex Gold Cross race (on the Club circuit) - Dad finished 2nd and I have the race programme, entered as number 246, so looks like my research and collation stacks up!!
Also, the programme describes Dad as Gerry "sideways" Marshall; I can't think why!!
Thanks for the info, Gregor. That would appear to be the meeting.
Scans of a few prints I found in the loft yesterday, all taken on my Kodak Instamatic during the John Player F2 meeting at Oulton Park, March 1972...
Dave Brodie's Mk 1 Escort;
The Malcolm Gartlan Capri of Brian Muir;
Martin Thomas with a new sponsor adorning his Z28 Camaro;
Dave Brodie's Mk 1 Escort;
The Malcolm Gartlan Capri of Brian Muir;
Martin Thomas with a new sponsor adorning his Z28 Camaro;
Three lovely cars, it is amazing how you take for granted seeing these regularly, the Brode's "Run Baby Run" special saloon car, I used to watch almost on a weekly basis, when it was running the famous 2.1 litre Twin Cam. Given the choice, it would be hard to choose from all three, I can almost feel the mud squelching underfoot in the Oulton Paddock...........great photos Twinny
QUOTE (Twin Window @ May 8 2009, 14:19) 
Scans of a few prints I found in the loft yesterday, all taken on my Kodak Instamatic during the John Player F2 meeting at Oulton Park, March 1972...
Dave Brodie's Mk 1 Escort;
The Malcolm Gartlan Capri of Brian Muir;
Martin Thomas with a new sponsor adorning his Z28 Camaro;
Dave Brodie's Mk 1 Escort;
The Malcolm Gartlan Capri of Brian Muir;
Martin Thomas with a new sponsor adorning his Z28 Camaro;
I was there with the Flame Out Camaro and the race was so wet we had the exhaust that went under the floor and out the side condensing the water on the inside of the car steaming up the windscreen and i think the wipers started to pack up as well during the race.
Pete
What great days they were. Dave Brodie in that fabulous looking Escort, really fantastic stuff.
I wonder if any film exists of 'Run-Baby-Run' in action circa '72/3?
These personal photo threads are just wonderful, thanks everyone for the effort involved in digging out the pictures and the considerable work involved in posting them up.
It is much appreciated.
I wonder if any film exists of 'Run-Baby-Run' in action circa '72/3?
These personal photo threads are just wonderful, thanks everyone for the effort involved in digging out the pictures and the considerable work involved in posting them up.
It is much appreciated.
QUOTE (RTH @ May 8 2009, 16:48)
What great days they were. Dave Brodie in that fabulous looking Escort, really fantastic stuff.
I wonder if any film exists of 'Run-Baby-Run' in action circa '72/3?
I wonder if any film exists of 'Run-Baby-Run' in action circa '72/3?
Roydpg has posted a couple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKbi_o086wc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQVZdKRhXE...feature=related
Thanks for that Alan.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Touring-Ca...0286&sr=8-9
Received notice of this book today via Amazon
PAR
Received notice of this book today via Amazon
PAR
Blimey that looks good Phil, has anyone got it I wonder, what is it like ?
I have ordered my copy but I haven't got it yet. Hopefully I will remember to get back to you.
Really my main interest of BTCC (or BSCC?!) is from the 1980s.
Really my main interest of BTCC (or BSCC?!) is from the 1980s.
I am happy to report that the re-incarnation of the Dave Matthews-driven Broadspeed Capri, as featured in Motor Sport magazine a few months back, had a debut victory in the hands of its new owner, Mads Gjerdrum, at Norway's Vaalerbanen
circuit this afternoon. The car looks and sounds absolutely teriffic, and it is a most welcome additon to the starting grids in Scandinavian Historic saloons. Its next race is set to be at the Velodromloppet, the biggest Swedish race on the calendar, at the Gellerasbanan in Karlskoga, at the June 12th-13th week-end.
circuit this afternoon. The car looks and sounds absolutely teriffic, and it is a most welcome additon to the starting grids in Scandinavian Historic saloons. Its next race is set to be at the Velodromloppet, the biggest Swedish race on the calendar, at the Gellerasbanan in Karlskoga, at the June 12th-13th week-end.
Any photos available to post? The car looked fantastic in the recent MotorSport magazine
QUOTE (doc knutsen @ May 9 2009, 18:54)
I am happy to report that the re-incarnation of the Dave Matthews-driven Broadspeed Capri, as featured in Motor Sport magazine a few months back, had a debut victory in the hands of its new owner, Mads Gjerdrum, at Norway's Vaalerbanen
circuit this afternoon. The car looks and sounds absolutely teriffic, and it is a most welcome additon to the starting grids in Scandinavian Historic saloons. Its next race is set to be at the Velodromloppet, the biggest Swedish race on the calendar, at the Gellerasbanan in Karlskoga, at the June 12th-13th week-end.
circuit this afternoon. The car looks and sounds absolutely teriffic, and it is a most welcome additon to the starting grids in Scandinavian Historic saloons. Its next race is set to be at the Velodromloppet, the biggest Swedish race on the calendar, at the Gellerasbanan in Karlskoga, at the June 12th-13th week-end.
Please pass on congratulations to Mads Gjerdrum from me, the Team Manager of the original at Broadspeed
Peter Darley
Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus
(Shortly to be joined by another title)
QUOTE (Peter Darley @ May 9 2009, 20:40)
Please pass on congratulations to Mads Gjerdrum from me, the Team Manager of the original at Broadspeed
Peter Darley
Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus
(Shortly to be joined by another title)
Peter Darley
Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus
(Shortly to be joined by another title)
Thank you very much, Mads is really chuffed! He says the car runs so well he cannot wait to match it against some more Period H cars.
Lots of pics are up at the Norwegian historic website, www,historisk-racing.no
Click on the line in red letters that says "resultater og bilder", which opens several albums showing the cars at Vaalerbanen.
"Bilder" is Norwegian for photographs, and "album" is the same word as in English.
QUOTE (Alan Cox @ Oct 18 2008, 22:52)
Not a special stage on the 1975 Monte, but the BTCC round at Good Friday Oulton Park
Andy Rouse, Team Piranha Dolomite Sprint
Bernard Unett, Halesfield Motors Avenger
Andy Rouse, Team Piranha Dolomite Sprint
Bernard Unett, Halesfield Motors Avenger
Hi..Great picture of Bernard Unett...Please can I use it on my Unett related website www.xrw302.com
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