Lovely photo of the Elite, Torston. Interesting to note it has the Border Reivers trooper on the front wing - I thought that their Elte was blue.

It looks like the Wiggins Teape Paperchase/RAC British Saloon Car Championship number square to me, Stuart.

But who is driving and whose car was it ?

Interesting, rings a bell seeing this but cannot work out who it could be. My first thought was Surtees at Brands too, however are we 100% sure? The white sleepers also suggest Crystal Palace ( up the hill back towards South Tower?) however I don't think the Palace had any Rothmans banners which were around the F5000 circuits. Also agree with Mark they look like 'used' Wiggens Teape number squares which suggests post '72 therefore not the Palace????

From memory, Wiggins Teape only sponsored the championship for the 1972 season - as Mark says, the Wiggins Teape Paperchase - during which the competitors all were obliged to use the number roundels as below;



Quite different to the Mustang, I think you'll agree.

Oh yeah...back to the 'Castrol' theory then..

The Mustang could be using modified Castrol number panels .

Is there a possible South African angle here ?

There is a Wynns sticker to the right of the number square and wasn't there a series in the mid to late sixties sponsored by Wynns over there?

In other words, could the number square be a Wynns number square...?

Isn't this Tony Rosen's Mustang, circa 1974 . He (I think) and a guy called Ali Hussein had similarly liveried cars in Special Saloon races, the year before the Super Saloon series took off. Hussein drove a Camaro.

Doh! My recall is getting worse, knew the names...just could not get them into the keypad..... Jeremy has the answers I'd say

Very well picked up Alan. That is the Border Reivers badge and it was put on the car especially for the meeting as Sir John raced Elites with Jim Clark and approval for its use has been given by Ian Scott-Watson. The car colour is definitely wrong as you also point out, because it is my car and I had asked John to come out and share the car with me at the meeting. I wasn't up to painting it the correct colour for the occasion.

I´ve never understood why so many people seem to have a strong dislike for Ford cars...

(Sorry, but I just couldn´t resist)

Go on with the wonderful thread please...

I don't know how often TNF-ers check out foreign language sites, but anyone interested in this thread will probably be interested in a thread over on this site:

http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme42/sujet376893.htm

Many of the pics there show cars that also raced in blighty... I'm thinking mainly of the batwing BMWs and Capris.

(be warned, you really need broadband - the thread is absolutely chock full of images).

Nice touch, Torston. Thank you for the explanation.

Not strictly "British" saloon car racing - more saloon cars racing in Britain. The day that the Swedes brought their Camaros to Donington in 1979.

Stefan Johansson guested in one of the Hawaiian Tropic cars

Hawaiian Tropic had the best team technicians.....

Stefan gets into the groove



Hairy stuff!

A mixed bag of club racing saloons from 7th July 1979, Oulton Park

Steve Cole and David Henry racing in the Gunk Renault 5 Championship



Shellsport Derwent TV Prodsaloons

Alan Minshaw
Nigel Rosser/Alfetta
Martin Carroll
Pete Hall and Gerry Marshall
David Yates and Chuck Nicholson

The short-lived ASCAR series - in order to limit costs, all drivers had to agree to sell their car for £4000, if the race was declared a "Selling Plate"

Mike Huddart and Chris Davis/Camaros
Tom Laffey/Camaro
Barry Lee

Those were the days!!

Great pictures Alan, love the Capri on full opposite........also reminds me of just the sheer variety of cars young Gerald drove so effectively, great spot Old Hall for the shots. Can you imagine going shopping in a Renault 5? The body angles are just incredible

Glad you liked them, sterling.

Sadly you can't get such good angles at Old Hall any more, since they moved the bank back to provide a run-off area - in the ASCAR shots you can see how close the sleepers used to be, on top of which the photographers used to stand.

The Opels and Dollies...are they what we used to know as Group 1 1/2? Or the prod Saloons version, they had subtle regulation differences if my memory serves me well

I spoke to a younger enthusiast recently, and he asked me if I ever took pictures at the races I attended....sadly no, a Brownie 127 on the back of my pushbike couldn't catch the slowest of cars let alone a fast one.....a big regret, but I have my memories and fellow TNF'ers photos, thank you!!

mmmn...prodsaloons as you stated

The upper Camaro photos, odd and interesting: skinny tires and big wings, as well as early seventies Camaros with late seventies noses grafted on--they do things differently on that side of the pond.
Bob

I think they were period additions in the UK, Bob - crafted out of left-over kitchen shelving in all likelyhood!

I'd completely forgotten that two of the great British Hot Rod drivers of the era raced those cars.

Posted on behalf of Roger Lund; two pics from Rufforth...

Alan,

Thanks for posting the photo of Steve Cole in the Renault 5.

Steve is an old mate from my days in Liverpool and I have many happy memories of trailing around the country when he had his Morgan Plus 8.

I have known him for about 30 years but have lost touch now.....

Never knew that he drove the Renaults though.

Thanks for rekindling happy memories!

Andrew

My son has recently bought an R5 in full racing trim (roll cage extinguisher etc) he is thinking of the Top Hat series. I can't wait to get my fingers on it especially as I was chairman of a Renault main dealer when the car was introduced and remember chucking one round Oulton. My ex wife refused to drive a small Renault in those days, she didn't like the gear lever poking out of the dash. Even when she was shown how it operated the refusal remained in place. Aren't women strange?

Just received my video from e-bay (1st ever purchase ) and thank Andrew for the intro, I was at all the Brands meetings that year so it was a stroll down memory lane. Just adore David Hobbs' Falcon, the colour scheme is superb ( I didn't realize/or had forgotten that it was sponsored by Gulf Oil). Enjoyed Fitzpatrick's opening commentary around a lap of Brands in the Broadspeed 1300 G.T. Only point I would raise was maybe sequencing, when they showed Frank's Cortina early on with the ducting tape over the front headlight and then later it was gone! I know I am being churlish, it does not detract one jot from a great video. Nic Brittan does some interviews to with messrs Lucas, Gardner and Muir

Cleaning my mailbox revealed a few 1975 BTCC pics by Paul Kooyman, like this one:

Soooo..... if anyone can help me to BTCC results of 1974 and 1975 I can use those pictures as well.
1958, 1959 and 1963 are waiting to be processed, and I'm confident that 1964-1966 will be sent to me in the near future too.

Finally yet another request: does anyone have the results of the 1969 GP suppport race for touring cars (it was a non-championship race)? I have some pictures available for this race as well.

Frank, Do you need a copy of the '69 GP support Saloon Car Race Entry as I have the programme here? E mail or PM me and I will scan and send

Roger Lund.

There were a couple of Anglias that used to give the Brode a good race, I think one was Tony Roberts, he had a white Anglia with black spots and it looked like it was hand painted, but went like stink!!! The other was Mike Chittenden who from memory had a dull navy blue one.Both had 1650 pushrod engines

Does this really qualify under British saloon car racing of the 1960s and 1970s, Twinny?!

I may be wrong but didn't Nick Whiting run the Motor Factors in West Kingsdown (All Car Equipe?) ... anyhow it's good excuse to bring in this picture of Nick Whiting and Gerry Marshall at Brands. This from Boxing Day meeting.



Robert

I posted it on behalf of Roger Lund, Alan.

Always used to marshall at Druids on the infield, such a great position to view a sideways Gerald! Great picture, anymore? Yes, Nick Whiting was the owner of All Car Equipe, a great source for wide wheels and accessories

Such a pity there is no more Boxing Day meetings, great fun watching the racing with snow at the side of the track with mince pie in hand
Nothing like a great winter "clubmans" meet.

As mentioned above, Nick Whiting with one of his last Escort incarnations, having lost half of its rear end in a Supersaloon thrash at Donington in 1978


Mick Hill, Jaguar


The fabulous Border Reivers VW big banger of Scotsman Doug Niven

Tony Roberts aka 'Spotty Muldoon'!
A Fred Scatley photo:


Chittenden's had backing from the Portobello Inn.
Terrific supersaloon shots Alan, can't recall who had the green/orange Capri behind Whiting?

Great shots Andrew! I can feel the atmosphere and was probably at that meeting, look at the grey day, bare trees, sparse spectators at the fence......it really gave you a sense of "ownership".
Trying to work it out from the angles are Roberts and the Mini spinning at Druids?


Loved Alan's Whiting Mark 2 shot also, wallowing in Nostalgia!

Here's a few more - not all at Brands

Colin Hawker Ford Capri DFV - Thruxton



Tony Dron (?) Silverstone



Renault 5 Racing - Brands



Imps - Brands Boxing Day Meeting 1974



Boxing Day Brands - Jock Robertson - Gerry Marshall unsure of the Escort Driver (without going into the loft for the programme!)



Brands Hatch 31/3/74 Terry Attoe Mini



Robert

Just great photos Robert, thanks for sharing, Terry Attoe was a demon pedaller of that Mini really enjoyed the 4 car scraps that he was usually in!Watching them around Clearways was just awesome The Imp I think is John Homewood?

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IIRC Ted Walker at ferret fotographics now owns the Fred Scatley archives, so copyrights may need to be considered before posting, however well-meant.

Roger Lund.

Apologies Ted, hope you didn't mind. Won't post anymore pics.

still no-one able to provide me with the result of the touring car support race at the British GP 1969 at Silverstone july 19?

Frank
What you have as THRUXTON 16 July 1969 is in fact the results of the British GP support race at SILVERSTONE on 19 July and it was round 9 of the Championship.

RAP

Thanks for pointing me out!

Tony Strawson's Capri, perchance?

I have it labelled on the slide as "Cox" - could it be Brian Cox?

Alan, the Big Capri man was Bill Cox, not Brian C. However, I think that green Capri is George Welly Potter, a Donny regular, and from Chapel en le Frith IIRC.

Dan

I don't think that is George, it looks like a Capri Capri if you see what I mean. Last time I saw George was at Donington in the 80s, he was running the 7 litre "Capri" and lapped the field in both races he was entered. He was all alone and very pleased to see a friendly face. I presume that his troubles were just beginning. I had no inkling of the depths of his problems and was very sad at the eventual outcome.
JF

Brian Cox used to race an indecently rapid 1300 "S", if the memory cell is working, I think it was Red with a Black Roof.

I have checked the programme Dan, and it is Bill Cox.

Here are a few more from 1978, Oulton Park, British Touring Car Championship

Tom Walkinshaw on pole.

Walkinshaw holds off Gordon Spice.

Win Percy/Dave Brodie

Barrie Williams adopts the only style he knows!

Stuart Graham. A top bloke, still mixing it in historics.

As usual great pics Alan Whizzo has it nicely set up!!!