This has to be the PR1. If you compare this picture with the sequence of Johncock wrecking the car in Hungness p40, the livery is the same and the sidepods are the same - and very different to those on the Wildcat Mk IV and on the Phoenix. This car looks much more like the Chaparral (or indeed the Williams FW07). Good looking car.

Allen

We already have PC7/003 - Unser/Richmond at least up to Michigan

Bill Alsup 1979 #68 was also a PC7. Bill Alsup also had a #7 PC7 at one race (Penske entry?)

I have now added the 1969 season.

PC7 list is very interesting. Well done, Allen.

According Hungness at Indy 79 Penske team had at least 3 PC7s. Unser`s #12, Alsup`s #68 and backup run as 12T(presumably #76 in entry list?). If Gloy`s chassis in 1980 was 001, could his car been one of those (1979 Indy #68 or 12T)?

One more thing about Orbitor - Gary Bettenhausen`s 3rd place car at Phoenix was the same Mk2(tidied-up version)after repairing, Holmes destroyed at Ontario(by A. Henry "March - The GP and Indy cars").

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Gloy drove PC6 at Mid-Ohio

Image from Kirby`s 81 Annual.

Could Intercomp PC7 copy be only Finley`s PC6 with added PC7-like sidepods or totally new creation?(I read something like that from trackforum.) Seems like any kind of "upgrading" was possible in Finley`s hands.

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some info

Engelhart 1979 Wildcat-DGS - interesting from whom Beaudoins bought this car?(source Hungness 1979)

Some interesting (less known-i hope)facts.
Raynor team bought ex Andale Racing shop at Indianapolis, after Cosby & Ribbs came onboard in 1990. Team original base was in Dixon, Illinois(87-89).

In 1986 after Indy T. Bettenhausen & Associates leased his new March86C(chassis-33- by Hungness) for the part of the season to Provimi team( Luyendyk) to get some money back. In 1987 TB drove the same car.

1983 Indy chassis numbers by Hungness(for comparison).
New cars: Lolas:Andretti HU001,Krisiloff-???. Eagles:Unser Jr 8114,Fillip listed as CB(Circle Bar)1.Penskes:Unser PC11-01,Mears PC11-02.
Marches:Fabi-01,Snider-03,Sneva-04,Holmes-06,Mosley-07,Rahal-10,Cogan-11,Simon-13,Foyt-14,Daly-15,Brayton-16,Bedard-17,Ongais-20.
Wildcats: Johncock-002,Ganassi-004. Also Kneifel Primus-03 and Chandler Rattlesnake.
Older cars:Parsons PC10B-01,Garza PC10-03,Brabham PC10-04,Roger Mears PC10-05.Chassey Eagle8110,Carter M82C-19.
Also Whittington hybrids 81-83C & Provimi Marches P1&P2.

Additions,comments?

March chassis number are not very reliable, but I already have the Rahal car but Daly's car 05, not 15 (Desire Wilson had 83C-05 at Long Beach 1984 but they might had more cars, so you should be right).

The Engelhardt car matches the car that Janet Guthrie had in 1978 and/or the car that Johncock drove in England 1978.

Did Galles also have the Eagle 81 at Indianapolis, what car number?

Andretti had the Lola 700 prototype at Indianapolis and crashed it in practice, then ran a more developed newer car (source: Autosport qualifing report), so T700-HU01 should have been the prototype?



Now something very interesting I've just found Eagle 7411!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...bayphotohosting

Allen doesn't list Arlene Hiss in this car but because of the article and the trackside report ("the car directly came from Phoenix to Indy") I think she was.

The car is still said to be in the last livery and was driven by rookie in 1980. This would be Michel Jourdain's #85 Intercomp car!

Bill Alsup entered his cars in 1979 under WASP Racing, in 1980 under Alsup Racing Team. WASP stood for Woodstock Automotive & Speciality Parts. WASP was still a sponsor of Alsup in 1980 when he bought a Penske PC7 to replace his McLaren.

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Galles was at Indy 83 with his older Eagle as well, driven at Atlanta by Unser Jr.
Unser Jr started his ROP with this car carried CART #17( no idea about chassis #) but finished it already with new GR4(#19). Older Eagle did not go through USAC technical inspection.

Andretti was at Indy with 2(visually identical) Lolas - #3 HU01 and backup #3T or USAC #23.
Kirby says about T700:
Built for the first Indy Car foray of Lola`s US importer Carl Haas, the T700 was very much a prototype design. The car`s aerodynamics were extensively revamped before the start of the season and steady development work produced a competitive machine by midseason. A cleaned up and much improved car with carbon fiber underbody was finished in the middle of the year and Mario took 2 wins, 3 second places and 2 poles from the last 8 races of the year.

Couple of interesting images from 1982 Budweiser Cleveland program.

Roger Mears in IAM`s PC9B-Cosworth

Josele Garza in his own March82C-Cosworth
Question is where these photos were taken? Definitely it`s not Indy 500.
Garza had in 1982 two Marches - new 82C and older 81C(presumably bought from Foyt - chassis 04) and PC9.
I`m not sure, but by my guess it could be Milwaukee.
Opinions,comments?

The Engelhardt car is identified by Hungness as the car that Gehlhausen drove at Indy in 1979, which was the #90 Johncock T-car and had been driven by Dallenbach in the first race of 1979. I'm not sure if this car was one of the 1978 Mk IIIs or a new one. The car Guthrie drove in 1978 seems to vanish completely and I'm wondering if it was a hire deal and the car returned to Patrick Racing.

Given the accidents to Mk IIIs in 1978, it's tempting to believe the 1979 car was newly built up for the DFX engine.

Allen

Isn't it Phoenix? The hill in the background of the first picture very much looks like Phoenix. THe race track at Milwaukee is right in the city.

Yes, of course.
Actually i meant Phoenix too, but wrote Milwaukee...

Here is Phoenix 1982 start. Background looks similar.
Image from Kirby 83 annual.

OK, so WASP was a sponsor, not "William Alsup whatever"

Here's a link to Kirby's Autosport report from Indianapolis 1983, make your own conclusions:

http://www.marchives.com/gallery/album35

The photos are definitely from Phoenix, Garza is in the 81C, he had the same car for Atlanta.

Good find!

I'm not so sure. I have a very confident entry in my notes that Hiss drove Devin's backup car, the 1972/73 Eagle 7228 but I have not noted my source (I hate it when I do that!). Both cars may have been present at Phoenix. A photograph of Hiss's would settle it.

I'll change Jourdain's two appearances to be 7411.

Allen

The advert is wrong about it racing at Indy in 1974 of course. Ruby crashed 7411 in practice and qualified 7228 instead. The Hungness photographs are definitive.

Yes, i agree, Garza`s Phoenix car could be 81C. It`s very similar to the(and probably the same) #50 car ,Garza destroyed at Indy. Original(confusive) image caption is: Josele Garza, the darling of the 1981 Indy 500, has a new Schlitz Gusto March 82C for the1982 CART season with Bobby Unser calling the shots in the pits.
The March 81C tale is another interesting story i can only start. As we know only 9 cars were built and first customers were Whittingtons & Bignotti. The first 4 cars arrived to States just month before Indy 500. Chassis 01 was invoiced to Don Whittington on april 8(for $80000+$38200 for a Cosworth DFX). The second car(02) went to Bignotti 19 days later and chassis 03 & 04 agein went to the Whittingtons. After Indy AJ Foyt decided to switch to a March and purchased from Whittingtons chassis 04 car for Pocono he won, just less than a month after M81C first race.
On july 25 Foyt had a terrible 200mph shunt in the Michigan 500(he drove Coyote) sidelining him for the rest of the season and March was sold to Garza. Next March customers were Vern Schuppan(until it he had only a museum-piece McLarenM24) and Bob Fletcher. All 9 M81C`s were sold and shipped within 1981 and before Christmas M82C was ready for new customers.
The story mainly by Alan Henry "March The GP and Indy Cars".
Can anybody add something?
All corrections are welcome.

This is interesting stuff.

The #91 car, although designated a 'McLaren' in the official entry, was the 81C used by Don and Bill early in May (e.g. 6 May) and wasn't redesignated a March until 16 May. It was assigned to rookie Dale. Given its early appearance and its allocation to the new boy, I'd bet this was 81C/01. We know the Whittingtons kept 81C/01 as it later appeared in 81C/83C spec. Do the 1982 or 1983 Yearbooks give any clues whether the Dale #91 was 81C/01.

Then we have 81C/02 with Sneva.

81C/03 must be the other car that the Whittington's kept after the sold 81C/04 to Foyt. As Bill raced (and wrecked) #94 at Michigan in July, I'm betting that the #94 car (the one in which Bill was bumped at Indy) was 81C/03.

81C/04 'must' therefore have been the #90 car that Bill raced at Indy. Then to Foyt then to Garza. I agree it's possibly the #50 car Garza wrecks in Indy practice in 1982 but then Garza appear later in 1982 in a 81C. So did he wreck his 82C instead?

But then we have 81C/05, 81C/06, 81C/07, 81C/08 and 81C/09 to explain.

Walther had a 81C at Pocono but then it disappears again.

Schuppan gets a 81C at Riverside but wrecks it instantly.

Bob Fletcher then gets a 81C for Bob Lazier which he races four times in 1981.

Which leaves two more. I can believe one more to Bignotti-Cotter as a spare and maybe Fletcher also bought a spare.

The March 81C production records must be out there somewhere. I'll see what I can dig up.

Allen

At Indy 1982 Don Whittington`s M81C "The Simoniz Finish" listed as "second year March,driven in 1981 Indy by brother Bill. Bill car listed as "never run 81 March". Maybe Whittington`s bought another M81C later in 81?? Jerry Sneva`s M81C(Hoffman`s) listed as "brother Tom`s last year car"
In 1983 Bill Whittington`s hybrid M81-83C listed as "same tub Bill drove in last year`s 500, but updated now with 83 bodywork and 82 suspension" and Don`s hybrid car car listed as" car Don drove parts of last year set the early pace in practice" - chassis 01 i guess.
Also the car called Schkee DB6, driven by Tom Klausler at Elkhart Lake and Riverside 1983 - G. Kirby calls it March 81C or 81C based car. ??? Really, DB6 looks like M81C. Could it be Kirby`s little error or really DB6 was March based car???

OK, so my theories about 01, 03 and 04 were largely rubbish! :\ So it now looks like Bill drove 81C/01 at Indy in 1981 so the #91 car must have been 81C/04. It still means Bill's #94 at Michigan was 81C/03 and the fact that they bought an extra car suggests that crash at Michigan finished off 81C/03.

If the Whittington's bought another car, that at least explains the ninth 81C.

What's the history on Jim Hickman's car in 1982?

And I've just spotted this in Autosport (3 Jun 1982 p12) 'Garza's first week crash in his 81C'.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Schkee was March-based. Remember the previous Schkee turned out to be a Lightning and the earlier Can-Am Schkees were rebodied Lola T332s. Bob McKee was a fine builder but I don't think he could have built a state-of-the-art Indy car in the ground-effect era. More likely Doug Schultz putting his 'Schkee' name on a bought car.

Allen

That Schkee really looks like a March...

http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/racecr03.htm

Why was the Cotter car sometimes called a Phoenix-March, all photos seem to show a standard March 81C?

Wasn't that the 1981 T-car (2T), an old Phoenix with March 81C suspension?

Allen

To Allen
Unfortunately there is a typo in Hungness 82 - H. calls Hickman`s car M82C and no history listed, although definitely M81C shown on picture.

Maybe somebody did`nt saw SchkeeDB6 yet...
http://home.san.rr.com/fsheff/racecr03.htm

He-he - gbl is faster...

To gbl:

According to the Hungness Sprint Car-book Jet Engineering was owned by Max Dowker and Bob Soltow. They finished tenth in 1979 and second the following year with Steve Chassey in USAC sprint cars, before graduating together to CART in 1981.

Allen is right, i guess.
Here is the car - Sneva`s backup, Parsons & Rager tried to qualify.
From Hungness 81

Dear Allen,

Eagle #7411 was indeed wrecked by Lloyd Ruby in practice for the 1974 Indy 500.

Sammy Sessions raced it in 1975 as the #36 entry.

For 1976, given photos in Wallen's '70s book, it is painted up just like Fairco Drug car minus the logos when the former Ms. Hiss drove it at Phoenix. Lloyd of course made the show with it that year.

Bobby Hillin grabbed it for 1977, with Bubby Jones making the last row in it.

At this moment in time, I don't know of the car's history from 1978-1979, but I am nearly positive that Michele Jourdain Sr. would have run your the car in 1980 at Mexico City and DNQ at Phoenix, as the car was described as a late model Eagle #85.

Respectfully,

Jacques N. Dresang
dresangjn02@uww.edu

The 1982 Interscope car is listed as Interscope 03. I just read an article about the first Intersope IP-1. That car had the Porsche engine and was to run at Lexington 1980 but was withdrawn (it was used in test runs at Ontario). This would make the 1981 Interscope car the 02 (destroyed in the race so a new one was necessary for 1982)?

@Allen:

A 1981 Pocono result table (not the incorrect Harms file)lists Salt Walther in a Phoenix, not a March 81C, maybe the Phoenix-March?

Sure about March 81C-4? Maybe Foyt had 81C-3 :

http://www.codeoneauto.com/projects/indyproj.html

And another link about Whittington cars:

http://www.gunnarracing.com/goodolddays/


We have the LaWarre Eagle identified:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/default...9086&optionID=0

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Some "face-lifting" for your teams chart.
Yep, Steve Horne was Truesports president and co-owner since november 1986(co-owner with Jim`s widow Barbara Trueman) and he leave company early june 1992(Barbara could not justify the cost of designing, building and campaigning teams own chassis).
Euromotorsports co-owner(and president) in 1993-1994 was nice lady called Brenda Stanton, who was Wisconsin native and former model and joined E. in 1991 in a public relations and marketing role. Her Cafe Italiano company imported gourmet Italian foods.
Indy Regency owners were also guys called Stefan Gam and Philippe Benoist(owners of the Boost International marketing firm) - with Grouillard and Incandela of course.
McCormack Motorsports was family operation - owners Dennis and Felicia McCormack - they formed team in 1990 and run it as a joint venture with Frank Arciero in 91-92, then Sovereign with Ganassi and then already under his own name in 1994.

Where exactly did you find that results table? Does it have other differences from Harms' data?

I thought the identification of 81C-4 as Foyt's car came from this thread. I'll find out where I got it from.

Useful but there's something in the March book about the first 81C testing in Atlanta so there's no guarantee that the first car to arrive at Indy was 81C/1.

Excellent! I had figured out that the Penske car was most likely the Weinberger car in 1969 but was some way from figuring out the Knepper and LaWarre cars.

Thanks for all this.

Allen

I cannot find the link at the moment, but you can find the corrected results for that Pocono race on my website.

The "first March at Indy" was Yellow, like #90, while #91 was red in the quali picture so it is very possible.

Found it!
Malvi quotes the Henry March book so I took a look. It says that Foyt "bought one of the Whittington's selection of Marchs, chassis 4 having been delivery to the Florida businessmen on 9 May". Henry appears to be saying Foyt bought 81C/4 but it's a convoluted sentence and it could be that he's just making the point that the Whittingtons now had three cars. I'm really not sure. The URL being quoted for the recreation/rebuild of 81C/3 cannot be taken as 100% reliable either. How much of that car actually exists?

I think I'll scrap the chassis numbers from all the Whittington 81Cs for now. It's obviously not as clear cut as I thought it was.

Allen

I found a source. The 1982 Pocono program gives the results of previous races and the 1981 table shows a handful of differences from the ex-Harms results I have:

McElreath Eagle-Offy instead of a PC6-DFX
Steve Ball Coyote-Chev instead of Steve Bell in a dirt car
Bill Tyler dirt car instead of McLaren-Offy
Tom Sneva Blue Poly March-Cosworth instead of Phoenix
Dean Vetrock Eagle-Chev instead of Penske PC6
Parsons AMI-Cosworth instead of Lola T500B
Walther Blue Poly Phoenix-Cosworth instead of Blue Poly March
Jan Sneva King-Chev instead of PC7-DFX

What a mess!

The McElreath Eagle-Offy is almost certainly right as he had sold his PC6 at Indy to Wysard. I'll change that.

The Steve Ball Coyote is right: it was the 1971 ex-Foyt, ex-MVS, ex-Owen car and is covered in this Chuck Haines advert. I'll change that too.

Bill Tyler's car is called a dirt car in this Pocono Record report. I'll change that too.

Tom Sneva's car was surely a March 81C, especially if Walther was in the upgraded Phoenix. I'll change that too.

Dean Vetrock had a Eagle-Chev on his previous two appearances and the Pocono Record report also says Eagle-Chev. On the other hand, the entry number (70) implies that Vetrock had hired the Rhoades Penske. However, as the program and the Pocono Record have been right elsewhere, I'll go with Eagle-Chev. So I'll change that too.

Parsons' car could have been the Armstrong but only a picture would solve that for certain. The Pocono Record report calls it a "SEA Cosworth" so it probably is the Armstrong, as the #43 is elsewhere in 1981. So I'll change that too.

Walther leased the second Cotter car (according to the usually reliable 'bighitter' on Trackforum - see here) so that would be the Phoenix-March. I'll change that too.

Jan Sneva's #98 Giuffre Bros entry is far more likely to have been the PC7-ish King-Chev than a genuine PC7. I'll change that too.

As well as these changes, 'slinger' on the thread mentioned above attended the race and says McElreath drove a 73-model Eagle with a turbo Offy and Richard Hubbard drove a newer Eagle with a stock block Chev. The Pocono Record report calls it a Eagle-Chev and as that's proved pretty solid so far (except for Walther having a 'March') I'm inclined to believe it. So I'll change that too!

This wonderful page contains a number of pictures from the race.

Can't remember making that many changes for quite a while. Kind of dents one's confidence.

BTW, the Trackforum thread includes a comment that Foyt's March was brand new...

Allen

Yeah, Harms Pocono list unfortunately full of mistakes...(what is NSSN??-Harms source).
I checked what Kirby says about Pocono 1981 and found something interesting.
Everything almost like on gbl`s site(some minor differences like McDonald`s car is Lola T500B and Schuppans car listed as McLaren M24B) but interesting is - Kirby puts Parsons on SEA-1-Cosworth!!!
Could it be true???

Allen was faster...
So, SEA-1 makes sense.

I thought we had the Schuppan car an 1978 Rutherford backup car (M24, not B-type?)

I don't know what a Lola 500B would be, did they build additional cars after 1978 (Lola does not name their cars that way)? I've also seen their 1979 car called a Lola T500B, but Allen had some chassis numbers listed somewhere.

I don't understand the M24s or the M24Bs so I won't comment on that.

I know more about the T500s. There were two in 1978 for Unser and then three more in 1979 for Armstrong. I did quote the chassis numbers of the Armstrong cars some time ago: HU3, HU4 and HU5. I don't know if the T500B designantion was official.

Allen

No idea about this B-thing too... I only compared the lists...
Could it be some sort of Kirby`s own interpretation? This time books, programs and mags gives us usually only this "Eagle-Offy, McLaren-Cosworth" information.
But something I found from "McLaren" book by Doug Nye:
Word by word :"Only 3 McLarens attempted the 1981 Indy classic, Tony Bettenhausen Jr taking out the ex-Sneva M24(Tom`s second place `80 Car), while Vern Schuppan ran his own M24B, and Jerry Karl replaced Jerry Sneva in the M16E-Chevy after Sneva Jr had been DSQ from Indy for the year when a bolt was found jamming his engine`s pop-off valve shut to maintain illegal boost pressures." Page 149,1988 "New edition"

I can read M81C-03 out of this quote, so I'll do keep it this way.

Jerry Karl now had a M16E, this would be the third possible car?

The Bettenhausen car is officially listed as a M24B, but the O'Connell car a M24 (chassis 005 by Allen), so you can't thrust anything or was it updated?


Mario Andretti's 1981 Wildcat chassis #3:


http://www.theguildofautomotiverestorers.c...ck_wild_cat.htm

Please excuse the size of this post but I found a solid piece of information on the 81Cs

Autosport 11 Jun 1981 p5
So I grabbed the 1981 Hungness off the shelf:

Bill Whittington's #90 is photographed on p117 and was plain yellow with black numbering.
Don Whittington's #91 is photographed on p127 and was plain red with white numering.
Bill Whittington's #94 (which he failed to qualify) is photographed on p93 but only in black and white. It has black numbering and could, maybe , be yellow.

So did Foyt buy the #90 or the #94?

The next time one of the Whittingtons races a 81C is at Michigan 25 Jul 1981 where he races #94. Given the Whittington's complete lack of attention to livery, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the #94 at Indy.

So that implies Foyt bought the yellow #90.

Does anyone have a colour picture of the #94 at Indy?

Does anyone have a colour picture of the #94 at Michigan?

The #91 meanwhile, had been crashed fairly significantly at Indy. Note that in 1982 Don Whittington's #91 81C is plain yellow and said by Hungness to be Bill's 1981 car - so is that Bill's yellow #90 race car or his #94 practice car? Also in Bill's #94 81C is yellow and is said to be "never run".

So, tentatively, I'd suggest we may have:

81C-"W1": Bill's #90 Indy 1981 - sold to Foyt
81C-"W2": Don's #91 Indy 1981 - wrecked.
81C-"W3": Bill's #94 Indy practice 1981 - Bill's #94 Michigan 1981 - Don's #91 Indy 1982 - Don Indy 1983
81C-"W4": Bill's #94 Indy 1982 - Bill Indy 1983

As to chassis numbers, we still have one piece of information saying Foyt's was 81C/3 and another implying it was 81C/4. I looked in the Lawrence March book and it quotes Dave Reeve saying Don W bought four cars (cash, of course). He is also quoted saying that the prototype was released just in time for Indy practice at the end of March so that must be the yellow 'first car to arrive at Indy' we've seen pictured. (Also, on p147, the Bignotti car is said to have been white originally). So 81C/1 was yellow, 81C/2 was white and one of the later 81C/3 and 81C/4 was red and the other we don't yet know.

Also, we know (but from where) that the Whittington's still had 81C/1 in 1983 so if my theory holds about "W2" being wrecked at Indy in 1981, 81C/1 can only be "W3". Does that logic hold? If it does, the #94 car in 1981 must have been yellow. So then "W1" and "W2" are 81C/3 and 81C/4 but we're not entirely sure which way round. Colours from the March production records would solve this. "W4" would also appear in those production records as a later car.

Now that we know Walther didn't have a 81C, the only other 81Cs were Schuppan's and Fletcher's. There's no sign of a second Bignotti car but I would have expected him to buy a second. So that's four going to the Whittingtons, two maybe to Bignotti and one each to Fletcher and Schuppan. We're still at least one short.

Phew! I need a beer.

Allen

You might draw a diagram for us

Bignotti had two March 81C for the start of the 1982 season, just to confuse you a little more.

I need a little information about the 1978 California 500. The Penske #7 was driven by Rick Mears, but I just came across a cockpit shot of Mario Andretti along with some other pictures from that race. Mario didn't have a F1 race that weekend, so maybe he was there too?

That explain where the second Bignotti car got to.

While trying not to spill my beer on old Autosports, I noticed a story (2 Apr) about the first 81C being delivered this week. Also a photo (16 or 23 Apr) of a 81C presumably prior to departure - but it's not yellow. It's only a black and white picture but that's darker than yellow. Oh brother!

Also in that article was a mention that the Whittingtons had ordered four cars and Bignotti two.

Also a later mention during qualifying that the Whittingtons had turned up with one complete car and another two in pieces.

All this helps a little. I think. Another beer maybe?

Allen

Another beer maybe?

Yes, I accept.

So Malvi, I didn't spot this question.

NSSN is National Speed Sport News, Chris Economaki's in-depth racing publication.

Allen

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1984 Indy 500 chassii numbers(starting cars) by Hungness
Older cars: Firestone M82C-15(ex Jim Hall), Gehlhausen M83C-13(last year Dick Simon car).
New cars: Lola`s: Andretti HU800-01,Sullivan HU800-04,Kneifel Primus PR-04,Cogan Eagle 8402.
March 84C-s: Mears-18,Guerrero-27,Unser-08,Holbert-20,MiAndretti-10,Foyt-31,Rahal-06,Johnson-23,Ongais-25,Garza-03,Snider-21,Holmes-12,Gloy-35,Sneva-24,Brayton-13,Carter-26,Unser jr-37,Rutherford-17,Simon-34,Fabi-09,Johncock-05,T.Bettenhausen-02,Daly-14,Ganassi-36,Bedard-29,Fittipaldi-40,Brabham-30.

an article about the current Lola chassis numbers and car counts:

http://www.champcarworldseries.com/News/Article.asp?ID=9796

an article about the current Lola chassis numbers and car counts:

http://www.champcarworldseries.com/...cle.asp?ID=9796

B2/00 ??? From 2000 season??

Is this the correct car's name?

I always thought that the last Lola cars were:

2000 - B2K/00
2001 - B01/00
2002 - B02/00 (this one the one's in use currently).

Sometimes B2/00 also appears, but I always thought that was a mistake.

Any ideas?

I use your numbering scheme, too. You can separate those models by the bodyparts (wings and sidepods), but I think the tubs are all the same and can be updated. Dale Coyne still runs some 2000 cars, updated to B02 spec.

to gbl & others
Few days ago i obtained a bunch of CART programs from the start of 80s and found few interesting things...
For a start some corrections.

Front row of 1982 Norton-Michigan race.Whittington is clearely in March81C - could it be the same car he drove at Indy?
Image from Detroit News GP program.

Garza in his definitely March82C - track looks like Milwaukee for me?
Image from Road America program.

In 1985 Detroit News program are previous races result tables with race numbers(it`s very unusual). Of course we can`t take it as "absolute" true but for a start some differences between Harms data/gbl`s site and this.

1981 Detroit News GP
17th #49 Krisiloff- Ohio Racing Associates- Longhorn LR02-Cosworth
Everything else like on gbl`s site(seems pretty reliable for me).
1982 Detroit News GP
14th Jerry Sneva`s Hoffman`s owned March listed as #86 (hmm???).
1983 Detroit News GP
6th Ganassi`s Wildcat IXB listed as #20 (?).
25th Mead`s National Tire Wholesale Watson listed as #8 (? - but makes sense too).

Comments,opinions.

Hi Malvi

I almost bid on those programs but saw your ID and backed off. Wasn't there a 1978 program in that bunch?

Whittington's #91 looks just like his Indy car. I'll change that in my data.

Allen

To Allen
Unfortunately I did not won these bunch of programs you mean
I bought these straightly(about 20 items) from Mr. Bill Schley , i know you made some business as well.

Garza photo is from Milwaukee, he most likely never went back to the 81C, I also agree on Whittington.

I mark those car numbers as uncertain, but will wait for a photo. The Krisiloff #49 most likely solves this strange entry. I think Al Unser drove the Longhorn car and Krisiloff had Bill Jamieson's Eagle 81 with the Ohio sponsorship, everything elso doesn't make sense.

malvi wrote:



The car used by Cogan was built after Mike Chandlers Indy 500 practice crash. So the Eagle used by AAR in the first races was 8401. But don't think that this is really new for you...