That's interesting.

I remember a pub (just a hundred or so yards south of Wellesley Road) called The Hole In The Wall.

Coincidence?

Fine recent pics and good tips! The Frank Matich car looks very much a Volvo to me? A bit too big perhaps?

I would like to take up the Maranello transporters again , because I found a pic where you cannot see the cabin of the truck , but it is definetely only boxed ,no over build or such! It is also Wellesley Road and beside is parked a Ferrari GTO/LM(in red and blue) with no 68. So far I have not found out which race or when ! But for sure its a third transporter!
Regards Bjørn

.. just found:
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a...rtin69np6xy.jpg

... and another one:
http://www.theaccelerationarchive.co.uk/jo...Hustler_016.jpg
I found both looking for pictures of the John Woolfe 917 (found them).

Don't ask me why, but Kenneth Acheson took this pic of me standing next to the Penske transporter during the 1984 Long Beach Indycar meeting.



I thought I'd lost it, but it turned-up this morning.

A bit too big... here's a similar one that I sprung at the Historic meeting the other day:





A beautiful restoration of an old Dodge, though Matich's might have been the identical De Soto or Fargo... I'll try to find out. These ran through from 1949 to 1961 (with minor changes) in Australia.

I do not disagree much here, Ray. Nice picture and this Miller then is a 1954 model!

Miller?

The Dodge might be about a 1954 model, or maybe even earlier. But the wheels on it are the same as those on the trailer, very late model Ford Falcon.

LeMans 1955.



My uncle was an American serviceman stationed in Germany at the time. He just loaned me his color slides to be scanned. I knew Bjorn would like this one.

I am pleasantly surprised to discover that this is one of the more active threads. Bravo!

Ray , it IS a 1954 model! In 48 Dodge(or DFD-Dodge ,Fargo,DeSoto) completely restyled their trucks and vans.The most significant changes through 56 was the grilland the windshield. At first narrow horizontal holes very made at the front decorated with painted or chrome stripes and a 2 part wiendshield. In 1954 the grill was inserted in a bigger hole in the front ,still keeping approx. the same form/look, but now the windshield was in 1 piece! In 1955 through 56 the grill was kept but the wiendshield now was a panorama type, and after that the design changed more thoroughly again. Hope this convinces you.

Ray , the Matich and the Miller Camera Support vans are both 54 models(insert grill-wiendshield in 1 piece.)

Twinny 1984 Penske Kenworth, I wonder if they continued all year with these polished plates looking so dented as if it was made in 1950!Ugly to me!But nice to see!

David, Dodge 1952 spl. with sliding(inside)doors ,typical US van for milk or other delivery jobs.
In the Cunningham book by Batchelor & Bochroch there is a small full pic in b/w (only).Good to see my colour guess being confirmed. But the first time I new it was at LM !

Thanks to all!

It will take more than that to convince him. You have to remember that this is Australia, the normal rules do not apply. My dad had a 1961 Dodge that looked the same as the ones in Rays photos.

This could be fun! The 61 model had 4 headlamps ,a panorama wiendshield and the grill was "rotated" 180 degrees and it was chrome,divided in the middle vertical so that there were 4+4 recangular holes!

You must be thinking of the 61 models from the USA. The Australian models are very different.
Due to our local content rules the models were not updated yearly so what was fine in the USA in 1949 may still have been built new in Australia in 1961 with some small updates.
The Chrysler Royal was a good example, a 53 Plymouth that was still being sold in 62 as a Chrysler Royal.

Hi catalina, my thoughts went in that direction , thanks for telling me!

The American models had wraparound windscreens from about 1956, the dogleg windscreen pillars going with them. We never had those here. But their basic cabin was the same through that period, other than the screen, the line along the doors continued, but the front panels were totally different.

Here's one of our 1960/61 models:



Note that the only panel changes are to the very front. After 1961, Dodge trucks in Australia had bodies shared with Internationals, with minor styling changes.

Ray, I see that the newness has started to wear off the Dodge.

Roger

A mere dusting of patina, Roger!

(PS I'm on your pics as I write - will get them up asap.)

Thanks Stuart

RL

Rhegra : the red Ford in your post 715 is Frank Williams.

... oh thanks, would make sence - just beneath the "real" Williams-Wolf team-transporter. Rhegra

The story goes that it was about ten or twelve years old when it was left there...

Seems that a family from Melbourne were travelling to the Gold Coast and experienced a mechanical failure. They asked the friendly farmer if they could leave it in the safe haven of his property for a week or so until they could fetch help.

It's a 1960 or 1961 model, you do the sums!

Here is my question....
In the book"A very Special year" published by JPS as a Tribute to 72´season explains that in their way to Monza´72 the Team Transporter had a huge accident(see photos of the wrecked transporter.
It seems to be the AEC transporter very damaged........How on Earth did the used it again for the F2 1973 season???????
Did they repaired it?????

I don't think the HSRCA will mind me taking a pic of their programme...

BRM's 1968 transport in Australia:

Interesting question clarco. I can only add that if 1973 was the year of the Texaco Star sponsorship for the F2 Lotus team , and they were at Zolder with Emmo driving , then they had a white AEC. To my knowledge there was only 1 build of this type!

Ray , funny good picture. I note that the truck only has single tires on axle. This must be short track racing to the extreme!The leading guy need not worry, there is no overtaking! Adds well to
transportation. However I also note 2 "real" transporters in the background????????????????

A sad case of misidentification there, Bjørn...

They're Outside Broadcast Vans from the ABC TV network.

As for the single wheels, the little BRMs were pretty light machines.

I see the antennas now. Hey! I am not 20!

Actually I don't think this was the AEC Transporter. On the bottom picture, you can see that the side pannel of the truck has a round shape on its boundaries. The AEC transporter had a square angle between side panels, roof and floor.
This could have been the old 1961 Bedford Transporter.

Thanks JPGP!!!
It is the only answer I find to the mistery photo........in addition the AEC transporter was recently restored into GLTL livery.
And now the question is...If the transporter in the photo was not an AEC ....why Team Lotus didn´t use the bigger AEC one??? It was their old Bedford???

These pictures from 1997 Le Mans 24 hrs are new to the thread. I took them while I was invited by Lotus for the race. Lotus registered two Elise GT1 with yellow "Franck Muller" livery, but only one qualified. There was two transporters in the paddock : the British DAF 95 had its back straight behind the pits, and the other one (for which I don't have a front picture) was from Netherlands and was parked further in the back. Trailers are different, and the tractors are probably also different. Anybody would have a front picture of the missing tractor ?

The British transporter :



The Dutch transporter :

Still on the Team Lotus side, but now back in the F1 years, this is the 1988 rigid Volvo FL6 they were using at that time, with its yellow Camel livery. I know that this truck has been used up to 1994 at least, and I wonder if somebody could have other liveries for this truck (I know it was white and green in 1991 and BRG in 1992).

A few pics to be more precise about the transporters used by Team Lotus, to complement the list provided earlier by Bjørn Kjer.

This is JAHIL, the transporter built by Marshall of Cambridge for Team Lotus in 1972. It is using a Leyland Leopard chassis. It has been used as the main transporter by Team Lotus until 1978, and was then used as their test transporter until at least 1982.



In 1978, Lotus bought its first articulated trailor and used it as a main F1 transporter. It was a Volvo F89 which has been painted over the years in JPS, then Martini, then Essex and back to JPS colours. This is the 1984 livery.



In 1985, a second articulated trailor was bought, using a Volvo F12 tractor. Actually the tractor was bought first, painted in JPS livery, and was used for some GPs together with the previous trailer. When the new trailor came, the old tractor-trailer assembly was then used as test transporter. This is the 1987 Camel livery. The car painted on the right side was the #11 (Satoru Nakajima) and on the left side you had Senna's #12 monoposto.



I do not know until when this was used, but suspect they used it until 1994. Any picture from the 90's is welcome.

As requested, a Martini Team Lotus Volvo F89 from 1979 season

merci beaucoup et si tu a d' autres photos de transporteur martini elle seront les bienvenue

volvo

Very good series of pics jpgp. The one from legendmartini is a F89 but Brabham IMO.

Thruxton HSCC meeting, August 1994.
Simon Hadfield's ex-JPS Lotus transporter with cargo.

Bjorn, could it just be an F88 as the Anglia and Bentley are suitably old cars, possibly still current as everyday cars in period, and the little BMW was an early model, after 1967-ish? When did the F89 arrive?. Can you see a deeper radiator grill for an F89. perhaps we had the F89 late in the UK. We had one of the earliest F88s, YYA 9H in 1969 after several very early F86s, 1967 F registrations.

Roger

As has been pointed out, the crashed transporter wasn't the one which was transferred to the F2 team for 1973.

That was this AEC...



...which was delivered to us at Alexis in [de-branded] Texaco Star colours. It's the one which has recently been restored to its 1960s GLTL spec.

What an awesome vehicle for a seventeen year-old yoof to be involved with, sleep in, design the livery for. The pockets on the sides of the back still had 72-1, 72-2, 72-3 etc written on them. All those drivers, cars and events it had been privy to between 1967 and 1973...

Roger the (( was built from 65-77, the 89 from 70-77. The most significant differences was at the front with the 88 at first had a cromed , later black byt narrow grill and the wipers at the top of the wiendshield. I cannot see any diff. in side wievs , even the blinkers are the same.
The BMW looks to me to be a serie 2 and they were built from 66-77
And finally my notes says 1976 Silverstone.

And of course Stuart if a list is made of that AEC it should read : green, GLTL,JPS,White ALEXIS ,GLTL , Yes?

Sorry I meant of course the F88

Bjorn, you are simply missing the Texaco Star livery for the AEC transporter. I don't have any good pic of it, but found this at Sutton Images. This is from 1973 May 20th at Zolder, Emmo's at the wheel.

What a lousy peace of work i did, there should be a comma after white!And thats the white I have seen!

Bjorn, for us in the UK the big problem with the F89 was that it was only available as left hand drive, some component location problem meant that the steering could not be altered. OK if you are doing a lot of work into Europe.

Roger

Take a look at the rear axle of the trailer, it is a kneeling trailer. You can lower the rear suspension of the trailer to unload the car. I wonder if it is a Rubrey Owen product. I also wonder if it is related to the trailer used by Donald Campbell at Lake Ayre.

Good observation there, Mountain Man...

And I think it was owned by ROH. I still want to find pics of the more usual Avis rental F100s and trailers they used in earlier years, both BRM and most of the other teams.

I suspect that BRM always used trailers somehow associated with the company.

In the background of these two pictures you can see on the left the JW Gulf-Transporter in Brands Hatch 1971. On the right hand side of the JW behind the blue Porsche Salzburg 917 is a dark-red Porsche open deck transporter. Has anyone better pictures of this Porsche transporter? I don´t think it is the old MAN because this one had rather high boards on the lower floor the one in the pictures obviously not has. The white transporter on the the left with the german flag should be of the Joest/Kelleners GT 40 Team (Sponsor Auto Zeitung)?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rhegra
[B]In the background of these two pictures you can see on the left the JW Gulf-Transporter in Brands Hatch 1971. On the right hand side of the JW behind the blue Porsche Salzburg 917 is a dark-red Porsche open deck transporter. Has anyone better pictures of this Porsche transporter? I don´t think it is the old MAN because this one had rather high boards on the lower floor the one in the pictures obviously not has. The white transporter on the the left with the german flag should be of the Joest/Kelleners GT 40 Team (Sponsor Auto Zeitung)?



And right , you can see rear of MATRA SIMCA LEYLAND .....



Papiyv .

rhegra you are on to something with that Porsche transporter. To me it is not the MAN.either! So what is it?

Now back to Maranello. At the start of me entering the net I did not keep track of where I found pictures. I have a colour one with a 250P no. 52 , GTO no.46 and one more GTO,and the "old" Bedford transporter in GREEN plus a b/w picture of the GTO/LM with no.68 and a 3rd transporter!! Anyone help where I found them?? Or where ??????

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Papiyv .