Could it be an old Bedford being used by Austin?

That seems very unlikely, certainly if carrying a factory racecar. In my 80 years of Leyland vol from ages ago the best similarity I can see see is a factory bodied van on a 12/6 chassis, but that is at least a size smaller than the picture above. Was there something like a Heavy 16, a pal's father at school had a device like that- very big 6cyl. pre-war thing, which might have been used as a van derivative? ISTR they were adapted as hearses. The next size of commercial above that was a proper midsized van
Roger Lund

edit; checking on google it seems far too small for a K2.
see also this link for information on the twincam engine
http://www.austinmemories.com/page43/page43.html
Roger Lund

Now, That Is Cool. Were it mine, I'd leave it as-is cosmetically and just get it running well enough to make the right noises.

Frank

I wonder if there is much of a precedent for such conversions? Because we are clearly talking about a 'works' Austin set-up here. On one hand I suppose this would readily facilitate such a conversion, but on the other you would think it would be deemed unnecessary, given the resources, (ready-mades) at hand? Charming piece of kit regardless.

I am also now wondering about the colour, since the painted wheels are clearly distinct from the body of the trailer itself.

I thought i had a picture of these cars ,so you can take pick on what color the transporter and trailer could be ,i personally would got with the dark green like No10 in the background.
Seen here at the late Tom Wheatcroft Donington Museum after opening early 1970,s.

I would go for the dark green and black fenders and wheels and gold or yellow writing ,but you never really know untill a colour picture from then shows up or other evidence come forward.

I think you have just confirmed for me that I am indeed 'going' colour blind. Whilst I believe that No 10 is a dark green, it looks to me a Paynes grey/Black. In this case I have decided not to believe what I 'see'. Austin did have a factory (standard) dark colour though I'm sure.

I would not worry to much W.P. we have had lots of people talk about color of vehicles on the TNF ,and nearly all see colors differently.(a Barry). I am still looking for a photo that will confirm the color it,s in one off my books somewhere.

Who actually owns this truck has spent 300.000 $ to buy it.
Consider that a twin of this opendeck truck, in Italy, may be found complete for less than 5000 $ in a dismantler field.
It is certainly a glorious vehicle, but, on the other hand it's also a big bunch of rust with the problem to be heavily incomplete because the lift and two meters of rear structure are missing.
So, as all the other similar still existing racetransporters are perfectly restored, why not to do the same on this ?

Ciao
Andrea

...the Ferrari transporter (?), not the front...

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Yes, this is the truck at Le Mans 1970 April tests .
Unfortunately it seems to be one of the only three pictures available.
This one is the third.

Ciao
Andrea

On the right then the Ferrari 3 axle , on the left an Alfa Romeo Autodelta , but what about the red one in the middle ? Perhaps an Autodelta support lorry , but what make ? Anyone know or guess ? And what is that blue load ?

The yellow truck at the left side is that of Paris-based Jean-Louis Marnat, a French equivalent perhaps of Les Leston, with his mobile accessory shop. BTW does anyone know if JL Marnat is still alive as I would like to contact him.
Roger Lund

The same Marnat who was in a Spitfire at Le Mans in 1964 ?

Yes, and other LMs IIRC
RL

J-L.Marnat died in 1985 .

Many thanks
RL

While trying to figure out about the Alfa Romeo 500 racing transporters , 1936-37 Scuderia Ferrari , 1938-45 Alfa Corse and 1946-51 Alfa Romeo Spa , I have a couple some questions that one of you might now of , I am aware they are difficult :

1936 : Were the fenders on the cars black or red ?

1938 : Did Alfa Corse continue in yellow Sc. Ferrari colours ?

1946 : Where the colours changed this year and if , to what ?

1950 : Were they ever red ?

Doug , both your links say "404 not found" .

Here they are:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8769/la...ermexicosk5.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6580/gpl1...anntransnj3.jpg

Ciao...

Note; In the absence of anyone else noticing the file details, it must be noted that this is a Geoff Goddard/GPL copyright image
Usual disclaimer
Roger Lund

A bad profil picture of this truck.

....the Rebaque Transporter.

No comments from the C.P.

The tractor pulling the trailer was a 4x2 Renault TR280.

This one was mentioned earlier in the thread - it's now for sale...

Vasek Polak Transporter on BringaTrailer

....You know your trucks Bjorn.

And a team needs a Motorhome for sure.

On the short thread "1934 questions" I have posted a paddock shot where you can see Eugenio Sienas transporter.

Bjorn, just briefly returning to the Austin trailer on the previous page for a second, could the towing lorry be a Thames pickup?

That looks like Germany. Were you there for the Hockenheim race?

Hello werks protoype , no need to return briefly , lets try in full to find out what that car is. I have been on the net searching but not found , however do not believe Austin drove with a Ford. The Austin K was build from 1930 , but I dont find any so old that it would look like what I believe : A Ford AA or the Morris Commercial 1931 or a Chevrolet mid 30's or a Bedford from the same years. To me the picture looks like it has a square/flat at the front ,nose section. A suggestion could be a wartime K model they were build as 4 wheelers but with a primitive cabin. It could be one of those rebuild ? Anyway , this thread is usally facts and short posts with no fluff , so lets just continue suggestions. Perhaps Retriever could have a look ?

Sure was Alan that was no the way to the GP at a place called Ulm. according to my marking on the Road Atlas i used that years when we did the full 79 season for Hector.

Bjørn, there are certainly a great number of similarities between the 'Austin' transporter and this particular Morris Commercial sideloader truck from 1934? Especially when the images are lined up side by side. Perhaps a 1935/36 variation?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagetaker1/3532472657/

Well spotted w p , very much a look alike. I will pass it on......

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

The above should be made as a scale model this year. It is the car ACA used in late 40's early 50's for their cars ( Fangio amongst) and with the team Esc. Achille Varzi too. Do you have any other pictures or infos to this Dodge ?

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In l976 I was engaged in my first full season as a photog/reporter, covering the Atlantic series for Autoweek. Since I wasn't being paid travel expenses I got to the races as cheaply as possible.

Since I lived in California and there were several teams based in the state I managed to catch rides in team transport vehicles fairly frequently, usually crew cab pickups towing fifth wheel trailers.

One team had a unique transport system, Team Tui. Alan McCall and I had struck up a friendship and since he had a bad back and couldn't spend a lot of time on the road he offered me rides in the team van with his mechanic Peter Marshall (sp?). A trailer that may well have once been a horse trailer housed the race car, attached to the van with the traditional ball hitch arrangement.

The trailer had white wooden sides and a top that was some kind of blue plastic and cloth composite. There were no markings, decals, signs, etc. on the trailer.

The only signage on the van was a sign that said only "Tui".

One one trip Peter and I were somewhere in the middle of nowhere in middle America when we stopped for some gas at a rather non-descript gas station. In those days there was no self-service so the gas had to be pumped by an "attendant", a rather interesting looking individual who looked like he might well have been an extra in the movie "Deliverance".

At one point he looked at the sign on the van and asked, "What's a Tui?"

"It's a bird," I replied, figuring it was an easier reply than telling him it was a race team in the Formula Atlantic series, something I would have bet everything I owned he wouldn't have heard of.

"What's in the trailer?" was his follow-up.

"A Tui," I said as I walked away and got back into the van, not giving him a chance to ask any more questions.

Sometimes I'm just not a nice guy!!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_%28bird%29

Tom Gloy in the Tui that was in the trailer.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46681980@N03/4506035623/

Well, I'm not sure whether last year strictly qualifies as 'Nostalgia', [apologies if it doesn't] but I think this is on-topic as far as Transporters are concerned...

Check out this sale on eBay. http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trk...#item3cabf68370

They were certainly part of what will no doubt be regarded as a piece of F1 history.

Hi Zoony , no apologies needed here on TNF , we do have a 2010 F1 thread and this is 2009 AND allready history ! Very interesting , thanks !

The Cooper Transporter model.
Also the the Lotus Moke/Europa model.
Spark Models

Good looking models with small compromises .

PS. I am looking for Scuderia Filipinetti transporters , they had some themselves and used others , amongst also Land Rover with caravan or open trailer. Any info , links or pictures ? The Filipinetti book has nothing.l

Another afternoon spent with a stonking thread, thanks to everyone who has contributed :-)

Here is a random selection of transporters of delight from RJC.




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BMW, Procar, Transporter, 11/07/79, Silverstone, with owners permission.

Cannot help but feel that BMW were not quite behind the 8 ball when they choose this shabby transporter to carry 6 BMW M1 Procars around Europe, these days BMW dealers will come and pick up your regular 1 series daily driver with a fully curtained transporter for routine service.




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#18, Kenworth, Joe Gibbs Racing, Talladega 26/04/09, with owners permission.

A Kenworth W900L triaxle tractor unit typically has a wheel base between 264 & 320 inches, and will be fitted with either a Caterpillar or Cummins 9 - 15 litre diesel engine of up to 600 hp, mated to an 18 speed O/D gearbox.

Options include radiator sizes of 950, 1200 and 1430 sq inches.

Front axles are rated to 22,000 lbs while the twin rears are rated to 58,000 lbs

The upper deck of the trailer is used to carry the racing cars the lower deck is split to carry parts, tools and a lounge.

The arrival of the NASCAR convoy at a track causes quite a stir see :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt4UeL_p8k4

It is not clear these festivities place at each event on the 36 race annual schedule.




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Irisbus Domino HDH, Scuderia Ferrari RV, with owners permission.

The Iveco Domino HDH Measures 12.41m (40’ 8 ½”) long x 2.55m (8’ 4 4/10”) wide x 3.95m (12’ 11 ½”) tall.

This particular bus is powered by a longitudinal crank end 450hp 10.3 litre/628 cui 6 cylinder Cursor 10 diesel engine.

The Cursor 10 shares in common with NASCAR motors both a cast iron block and cylinder head but the Cursor 10 is way more advanced featuring 4 valves per cylinder and variable geometry turbochargers !

Oh! and it would appear there is room for a Ferrari F2008 in the back.

Next time I go camping at Brands Hatch or Silverstone I want one of these :-)




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LYLLYK, #18, Citroen 2CV, waiting for the ferry at Rosslare returning to London from the 1990 Mondello Park 24 hours, 24 06 90, Q16 F19, with owners permission.

Of course if you believe, like RJC, that anything that needs a transporter to arrive at the race track is merely an expensive toy you will do as he did and drive your racing car to and from the track yourself :-)

ps is the Gold Leaf Moke and Europa above for real or just a joke ?

The Gold Leaf are for real ! Have been pictured earlier on this thread. Thanks for your contributions.......

Two great period pictures of the Maranello Concessionaires Ferrari's with the transporter in the background from the padock at Le Mans in 1966. The pictures are from the Experiencelemans website and I'm unclear if they can be reproduced here so have posted the links below :

http://www.experiencelemans.com/contents/m...-photograph.jpg

http://www.experiencelemans.com/contents/m...-photograph.jpg

A couple of Jensen-built, Austin-based A40 Sports atop a version of the inimitable Jen-Tug.

Had another look for the Moke + 47 pics on the thread but could not find any :-(

But did find a picture on the net, I still cannot believe it, an early Moke used to weigh around 496 kg while an early Lotus 47 came in at 600 kg !

That might have worked well in the home county of Lotus, Norfolk, which is nearly as flat as The Netherlands but going up and down the South Downs to Brands Hatch that must have been lethal.

If we call this a sub compact vehicle the recommended maximum towing weight is just 200 lbs 90 kgs including trailer :-)

At the more liberal Direct.gov the recommendation is that the towing weight should not exceed the weight of the towing vehicle :-)

The driver of the Moke must have had big cohones either that or he might have been a racing driver :-)

I added some time ago in this very same tread a photo of the Mini Moke with trailer and Lotus 49.
I saw 2 photos for sale ay EBay some time ago, and I sent it to SPARK guys and asked them if they could reproduce it in 1/43.
They answered it seemed to be a promising project and HERE IT IS!!!!
I recomend this miniature to everyone at it is very well detailed