are their any photos of Alan Moffats transporters for the Falcons,RX7 and his Ford sierra's?

The F350 that he used in the 70s is in David Bowdens hands. I read an article on the relacement late 70s Acco in Australian muscle Car which someone is restoring [Bowden?] After that i have no idea what he used, they all seemed to be come impersonal [but practical] pan body semis.

Must be 2 F350 used by AM,as another claimed one sits in a yard in Dandenong for years.Strange,

And the Goss/Seton F350 just.....disappeared !! Coincidence ???

maybe then that is the Goss one?

It is instead true that Fiat equipped for a while some of his trucks with the Aec/Leyland unreliable engines , Ciao Andrea

The Goss truck was Moffatts but not Setons as far as I know.

The Goss truck was Moffatts but not Setons as far as I know.

If the information I've recently got directly from Bartoletti (or what remaining of it...) is exact , the Bartoletti Scarab truck had these VIN#
chassis : 306/2 *001625*
engine : 203.080 *028664*

The 306/2 was the second of the three series of the type 306 bus chassis built from 1956 to 1982.
The 306 was mainly equipped with the engine 203H.61 a 6-cylinder Horizontal diesel (not a real flat) , also called "the big sole", 11,548 cc 176 hp, with a 4+4 speed transmission .
It was also possible to see on these chassis some of the many versions of the straight 6 cylinder engine as the Fiat type 203.0 or the 203.A (different displacement and power) .
I don't know which version this one exactly was (203.080) . However I know that was even produced a gasoline version . Could be ...

I'm totally sure that Fiat never built a flat 12 diesel engine in the fifties .
It is instead true that Fiat equipped for a while some of his trucks with the Aec/Leyland unreliable engines , but not in this case .

Ciao
Andrea

In Anthony Carters wonderfull book Motor Racing Reflections , on page 94 bottom , you see besides the BRM trsansporter another one.

It looks like a van/big van with the back end to the left , but also single tired . Looking through the entries/starters at the Reims NWC F1 race in 1962 , this car , unless it is from the F2 entrants , could to my knowledge only be either Anglo-American Equipe or John Dalton. Anyone got any ideas ?

Telling acquaintances who are not aficionados that my greatest motor sport interest is in things that happened in the third quarter of the last century often results in a quizzical expression, but with patient explanation some people begin to understand the case. The increasing Ecclestonisation of the sport means that more and more people now think that there are some sixteen Grands Prix each year and, er, that’s it.

Rarely, however, have I tried to explain an interest in racing car transporters and I doubt that there are many places outside these pages where I would stand any chance of finding a sympathetic ear. In just the same way that today’s Grand Prix cars are multi-coloured billboards where little other than the colour scheme enables ready distinction between different makes, so have the vehicles that carry them from event to event gradually become very exotic but less aesthetically interesting. The modern vehicles do not have the soul of some of the coach-built vehicles, or even converted coaches, which used to ply their trade across Europe and elsewhere.

Some of the better-known wagons continue to lead high-profile lives and have been written about in the comics: Dick Skipworth’s restoration and use of the Ecurie Ecosse vehicle, the continued appearance of the BRM Leyland Royal Tiger at historic meetings, Carlos Monteverde’s use of an ex-Scuderia Ferrari truck, an ex-BMC vehicle which appeared at Goodwood this year for example. Similarly, there have been some postings here recently about an ex-Tyrrell vehicle and there has been mention of the Italian Job coach which later, I believe, saw service as Tony Dean’s transporter, maybe of more than just racing cars.

Can anyone throw light on other historic transporters that continue to see service? For example, what was the fate of the (I believe) originally-Ferrari transporter that later saw service with both Shelby and Alan Mann? Does anyone know anything about the white Dennis with Jaguar signwriting, which looked like it might have started life as a fire engine, parked in the Goodwood paddock this year? What happened to the Commer truck ‘donated’ to Stirling Moss by the Rootes Group to carry his 250F (Did this later pass to Rob Walker and thence to Scirocco?)

I really must see a doctor.

This truck is owned by John Delane and Mike McCarthy (I think). John Delane and John Dimmer travel together in this restored 1969 Leyland Worldmaster Tyrrell Transporter, and the team has authentic driver's suits, uniforms and team livery.

BTW, They won the Pete Lyons Cup at last year's Rolex Monterey Historics, for authentic presentation and being the cars which best personified the spirit of the Formula One event. The two cars were invited to be part of Ford's Hundredth Anniversary Celebration in Dearborn, MI in June. After that exhibition, the two Johns raced the cars in July at the Second Annual Sommet des Legends at St. Jovite circuit in Mont Tremblant.

Very, very cool...

The Dennis with the Jaguar badge is owned by Nigel Webb, who is a keen Jaguar racing car owner. It is a D series which has 180 bhp 6-clynder Jaguar engine which was fitted by Dennis Bros.

Quote "The original Dennis fire engine came from Australia and was converted to a transporter by Nigel."

I am sorry tonyb but I think that you are wrong on that point. I was told that the Dennis fire engine was converted to a racing car transporter in the early 70’s. Win Percy spotted it and told Nigel who purchased it and had it shipped back from Australia.

I would doubt that it was converted to a race transporter in the early 70s. It was new in the early 70s and would have been painted red and sitting in a fire station till the mid to late 80s.
I don't think that any were let go early.

Yes that is a very good point, we really need to ask Nigel for its history!

Thanks to you all for some interesting reading and to TonyB for the great pictures (The JMH book is brilliant by the way). I would suspect that one of the reasons Nigel Webb bought the Dennis was that Mike Hawthorn worked at Dennis Bros. for a while. I got the impression Nigel didn't know originally that it had a Jaguar engine. Sorry everyone, I'm new to the internet lark, I can spell TYRRELL!!

Exoto has produced several wonderful looking 1:43 Ford based Ferrari Transporters. I was very impressed when the first two versions were released and assumed they were accurate reproductions of actual vehicles, but now that there are up to 4 different Ferrari liveries (not to mention other F1, Porsche and Lola liveries on the same truck) I'm beginning to think these are pure fantasy. Why would the Ferrari have used Ford trucks anyway, when just about every other Ferrari Transporter I've seen has been Fiat or Lancia based.

Therefore, before I buy one of these I wanted to know whether any of these trucks actually existed :

Watking glen 1975 truck bmw very similars as Porsche trucks.....

Watking glen 1975 truck bmw very similars as Porsche trucks.....

credit for this BMW mercedes Truck pictures ,the site :http://www.botchagaloop.net/

to Allen Olmstead and Clark W. Nicholls
Thank for us.

Jl

credit for this BMW mercedes Truck pictures ,the site :http://www.botchagaloop.net/

to Allen Olmstead and Clark W. Nicholls
Thank for us.

Jl

So we can imagine that's Porsche buyld 3 trucks similar as it ???

Still hoping for a break , either in words or a picture telling/showing anything about these teams transportation in the 1,5 litre F1 years of 1961-65 :

Scuderia Colonia , Autosport Team Wolfgang Seidel , Kurt Kuhnke (BKL) , Rhine-Ruhr Racing Team (Seifert)

If the information I've recently got directly from Bartoletti (or what remaining of it...) is exact , the Bartoletti Scarab truck had these VIN#
chassis : 306/2 *001625*
engine : 203.080 *028664*Ciao
Andrea

its real Scuderia 1978 at Monaco:

and Marco Piccinini on the right in yellow

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I have tried to post images from imageshack but am having difficulty. Sorry I haven't any oldies of Scuderia Colonia, which will be 50 years old in January 2010.

While we seem to have passed from Italian to German transporters over the last few days, a thought occurs relating to Italian trucks.

In 1970, as a youngish New Zealander(and wife) doing the traditional "Overseas Experience" rite-of-passage tour of Europe and North America, I noticed that all of the larger trucks in Italy had right-hand steering, although they were obviously driven on the right side of the road. Not only that, but the driver invariably had a helper beside him. This latter I assumed to be Trade-Union 'feather-bedding', like their insistence on two-man crews on buses, where the second person sold or clipped the tickets (from a seated position - he wasn't even a 'conductor' as on London Transport).

A little Internet surfing today tells me that it is still common practise in the Northern and Alpine regions of Italy for heavy trucks to have right-side steering wheels, as it was seen to be safer and give better vision on narrow Alpine roads and passes, and also reminds me that Lancia saloons and sports cars had right hand side steering for the same reason until the 1950's(?).

My question (yes, there is one after all this) is : were any Italian transporters built with right-side steering, bearing in mind that most trips out of Italy would have involved crossing the Alps to the North or West. Or were racing team transporter drivers seen as being smart enough not to need this feature (like the rest of the world)

An answer from Italy

These are the main reasons because road cars and trucks were right handed :

1) In Italy , traffic changed from left to right hand from 1/1/1924.
2) At that time our roads were rather narrow and still remained till sixties , the years of great changes .
3) For this reason, the drivers felt safer driving a rhd car because was easier to run on the extreme right of the road especially in case of meeting another vehicle coming from the opposite.
4) Expert drivers didn't agreed that change , so , they refused for many years to buy left handed cars .
5) Noble Italian car makes in those years (and till the end of fifties) built most of their cars right handed. In the meantime this was a good solution of marketing, rhd cars were good the same for internal market and for those markets under British influence.
6) Trucks over 10 tons. (gross weight) specifically intended ex works for the Italian market were rhd by law , till 31/12/78.
After this date and for some years, the Italian truck drivers continued to prefer the right-side steering instead the left one.
On the contrary, the Italian truck drivers who made international transports (as the racetransporters's drivers) preferred , once it was possible , the left-hand drive simply because it was easier and comfortable paying tolls on foreign motorways or giving documents at customs borders, from the left side of the cabin .

Ciao
Andrea

Mercedes Renntransporter ..........1930!


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