Hi Steve

Spot On !


Hi Roger

The Jag was bought as a Hearse, not sure what Mum made of it all when he arrived home with it It was Dad who converted it to take the race cars.

Cheers
Richard

Richard, thanks
RL

A bit of a stretch but that looks like Riverside Raceway. The area just south of the garages with what looks like the wall of Turn 9 in the background.

Cheers,
Kurt O.

Ray asked for this to be put in the Transporter section after I posted it in another section.

It was used in Tasmania by Don Elliot from about 1965 to transport his Touring Cars and others.
The Truck and Mustang have since been restored by the owner of some of the ex Elliot cars. A replacement trailer is being built as well.
The truck is powered by a Perkins Deisel


1965

2007



Ford Australia Factory Touring Cars at Bathurst 1970

Hi Ellis , the lower photo is new to me , good one .

The Gulf -JWAE-AEC later GTC/Cluxton transporter is still being sought for a rebuild (in the Arizona area).

Please take a look at the "JWAE transporter search" thread on page 2.

The hunt for Poore-related pics and memorabilia continues, this old photo turned up recently showing the trailer and Alfa. In later years the trailer would be 'upgraded' to solid bolt-on rather than spoke knock-on wheels, and the signwriting changed slightly. Also the canvas lower sides were replaced by aluminium sheet.



Does anyone recognise either of the gents shown in the photo?



Needless to say, if anyone has any similar photos by all means get in touch

Thanks!
Rick

There's a nice pic here of the Ferrari transporter;
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=f...17894cdad889ed3
Nathan

....and if you click on the "More" link on the side you see several other pictures from the same sequence.

Eg, preparation of the ramps before loading of the cars commenced :

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=f...ea4b9f8adcafd6c

The car on the ramps :

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=f...cbbfa59f8c2b9b1

A great picture from inside the Transporter :

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=f...5cbfbbb40e0aeec

and another....

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=f...b186e61c4d0dc4f

Thanks , Rick , Nathan , Jager .

Whatever kind of transporter in terest you have , please note that this is not an official Ferrari transporter.
It is different from the 2 Ferrari had and the 1 Maserati had of this type Fiat 642 Bartoletti. The cabin is shorter , the roofline on the build up is different and the the reinforcements on the sides are of "cross" type.
There is a small article talking of 4 Ferrari transporters , 2 for the Racing team and 2 for the production cars transporting Scaglietti bodies to the factory. This has been more or less overlooked or rejected, so it could in facts be that a private had 2 for this job.

In 1957 when Castellotti was killed while practicing at Modena , I seem to remember a poor picture with the car chrashed , but also a transporter which had "crossed" reinforcements , could be a help out on that occation. I do not have or find that picture anymore , anyone ?

This is probably the picture you are looking for.
It was taken in Aerautodromo of Modena after 1957 Castellotti fatal crash during a test .
The transporter , close to the "Circolo della biella" stand , seems the same one seen in the pictures linked above .
In this case is certainly an official Ferrari transporter .




Ciao
Andrea

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Behind the DB-Panhard (record at Montlhéry -1953) is a popular Peugeot D4 from "Soupapes Jeudy" (valves) sponsoring racing teams and driving school.

On the 'Peter Collins at Monaco 1956' thread there are now some pictures where transporters can be seen in the streets.

The photos linked above of Ferraris being transferred from a transporter into (or out of) a Bristol Freighter raise some questions about the logistics. The F1 is Fangio's 1956 British GP winner; did they drive the transporter to France (Le Touquet?) and then fly some or all of the cars there or back? They would have needed more than one flight as the aircraft only held three cars.

They could have taken the transporters by car ferry, though space for high vehicles was very limited on the ships running to Calais; the train ferry from Dunkirk had more headroom and often carried the BRM team transporter.

And how did the Ferraris get to Silverstone from whichever British airfield (Lydd? Southend? Somewhere closer to Silverstone - or even Silverstone itself?); did Ferrari hire lorries in Britain, or send only one transporter by car ferry and use that to shuttle all the cars?

Paul M

It is not after the British Grand Prix,it is after the BRDC International Trophy,5/5/56,you can also see the 750 Monza 0514 of Ken Wharton. It is one week before Monaco.

That looks like a Morris Minor woody buried itself in the back of the Jag!

Post 1714 :

Ferrari seldom took their transporters to the UK. They used British hauliers and especially in the late 50's and 60's SS & Co. ( S.Smith & Co.) Downham Rd. London.

Re. The Ferrari’s and the aeroplane (post 1708).

I forwarded this link to Steve Wyatt who used to work at Southend Airport and was familiar with these planes, he reply was…….
....“The air ferry is a Bristol 170 Mk32 Superfreighter operated by Air Charter, but around this time it was being re-branded as Channel Air Bridge. Air Charter was owned by Freddie Laker and was based at Southend. I would guess these shots were taken at Calais-Marck Airport circa 1956”.

Something wrong in previous posts.

First , the correct photo sequence is :







The subject is the transfer of Ferrari's racing cars from the airplane to the transporter after the arrival from a foreign race .

The location of these pictures is an Italian airport (Milano or Bologna) .
The date of these pictures is the first week of May 1956, just a few days after the 5 May 1956 BRDC International Trophy of Silverstone.


Car # 1 is Lancia/Ferrari D50 ch.number 0007 of Juan Manuel Fangio DNF
Car # 2 is Lancia/Ferrari D50 ch.number 0001 of Peter Collins DNF
no news about the sport car # 28 ( probably 750 Monza ch.number 0514)
The two grey tones transporter is a Fiat 642 open deck bodied by Bartoletti .
I'm still hard investigating about the truck . Probably it is the first of a group of 3 or 4 Fiat 642 open deck transporters owned by Scuderia Ferrari . The license plate of this truck is MO 35150 .

This sequence is part of an old and very interesting Life magazine photo album (almost 200 pictures ) taken in May 1956 on the subject Scuderia Ferrari
The sequence was :
-the racing cars back from a foreign (British) race
-transport of cars , back to the warehouse
-the warehouse and the preparation of the cars for next race (1956 Monaco GP)
-the event of Monaco Gp (13 May 1956) with a lot of pictures concerning tests, race,pit lane,drivers and various people .


Ciao
Andrea

Andymont ... Obviously there is an error in my post, it should read; his reply not "he reply", this is unforgivable. You and Steve agree on the date, he guessed at Calais-Marck because they used it a lot, apparently it was cheaper than other airports. Whether or not the other details are correct I have no way of knowing, I just passed on the information.

The Ferrari 750M #28 is 0514M of Ken Wharton.

By sure it was an italian airport , probably Bologna Borgo Panigale airport.
In the third picture (right) you can see a man with a military uniform walking just under the plane's wing.
Well this man is an agent of the italian "Guardia di Finanza" (Taxes and customs police) overseeing the landing operation .
Last picture depicts the truck traveling on the Via Emilia toward Maranello.




Ciao
Andrea

On the last picture a sports car is on the top and not the D50 #2.

True , and I don't know why .
It is certainly an image of the via Emilia near Modena, and you can also see the italian election posters on the boards in the right of picture .

Ciao

Andrea

The Wharton would have been taken back because of a finished deal or service ?

Sorry if this photo of a 'Renntransporter' has been posted before, but it's from this wonderful collection posted by Papiyv on the 'Personal photos from the paddock' thread.

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/1...isplay/15818244 (See also the comments posted below the photo - if (unlike me) you understand German!)

This one shows Graham Hill beside the BRM transporter (titled 'Flirten...' - don't understand German but get the gist!) http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/pcat/453...isplay/12688917

The whole collection is worth trawling through for those who have the time.

I posted a photo of the M-B recreation of the Renntransporter on p41, which makes an interesting comparison with your original. Looks like M-B got the wheel colour wrong on the new one, unless it had been changed at some time in the short life of the original.
Excellent set of photos Mark.

Alan

Alan:

In the German photographer's shot of the original wheel, a vented chrome-plated disk is fitted around the central hubcap, like Mercedes-Benz passenger cars of the period. The new version of the transporter is fitted with only the central hubcap, so we can see the blue-painted wheel. By the late 1960s some Mercedes-Benz models used a one-piece hubcap/disk, but in the 1950s the two parts were separate.

The hubcap itself was usually painted (around the star) to match the body color of the vehicle, but in this case the original version's hubcaps are shown in period photographs to be unpainted.

Frank

I note you are one of the very "oldies" on the Atlas forum. Very nice pictures of fine models. I in particular liked the closed back-end with the logos. Thanks.
Seeing you once had an "Onyx thread" I wonder if you have any pictures of their transporter?

I've took these four pictures of Ferrari vans in 1981 during a couple of visits in Maranello , when the "Reparto Corse" was still in the old factory building.

In picture n°2 the 190 Turbo truck was just delivered from Iveco ,
and the same truck is a little bit transformed (tuned with white spoiler and inox wheel caps) in picture n°1.

Ciao
Andrea

The latest issue of Classic Van magazine(uk) has a letter from Terry Sanger of the 6 wheel Ford Thames 400 he built to carry his v8 cortina , using two thame he called it Severn .

On the JWAE transporter search thread is a new 1982 picture of the AEC in its last (?) GTC colours.

This photo was taken by my cousin at Zolder in 1971...

New transporter photos from Papiyv Ebay seller ...

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are their any photos of Alan Moffats transporters for the Falcons,RX7 and his Ford sierra's?

Zakspeed transporter at their homebase 1987/88

Andymont, at Monaco 1978:

http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd86/da...urFerrari-1.jpg

Hi all,

Stumbled across this thread and was hoping one of you could confirm or disprove a story I've convinced myself I read in Autosport about McLaren and their transporters:

The year is 88,89,90 or thereabouts and Mclaren are winning regulary with ease. The paddock at one of the European races (think the German round) features no fewer than 6 McLaren trucks and falls on the weekend of August 1st - the annual date when the UK registration plates change prefix letter. Barely a moment past midnight on Aug 1st, all six McLaren transporters (dunno which make of truck they were) were detached from their trailers and driven out of the paddock - to be replaced immediately with 6 brand-new trucks with new registration plates. Of course, this did not go unnoticed in the paddock and IIRC, one of the observing journos is said to have remarked "Y'know, if this team had any money they'd be dangerous".

I remember as a young truck/f1 fan thinking that this was the coolest thing ever and was one of the stories that made me a fan of Ron/McLaren and their attention to detail. This anecdote joins the ones about the MP4/4 snorkel, the tiled pit and the cappucino logo as proof that - whatever sleaze they find themselves in recently - McLaren under Ron Dennis & Mansour Ojjeh were the balls! :-)

I am still looking for ANY infos to what or who the ATS F1 team used for transports in 1963. They did after all arrive in Belgium late (not getting to the paddock with their transporter ?) , Holland , nonstarted the German GP due to transporter chrash at the Brenner Pass , and Italy where they had their only finishes the whole season (beating Ferrari who did not finish!). Any help , please ?

Also looking for info on the Derrington-Francis ATS trsansport in 1964 for their single race .

Bjorn, have you seen this picture of the Aston Martin team before :

Yes thanks , the company was a private doing AML transports , the Bedford S tractor was red and white ,and here they did the Le Mans 1963 race.

Exoto has produced several wonderful looking 1:43 Ford based Ferrari Transporters. I was very impressed when the first two versions were released and assumed they were accurate reproductions of actual vehicles, but now that there are up to 4 different Ferrari liveries (not to mention other F1, Porsche and Lola liveries on the same truck) I'm beginning to think these are pure fantasy. Why would the Ferrari have used Ford trucks anyway, when just about every other Ferrari Transporter I've seen has been Fiat or Lancia based.

Therefore, before I buy one of these I wanted to know whether any of these trucks actually existed :

All fakes except Garners.

I have just disvoered this thread [being new here] -- 'wondered if this was of interest?

Le Mans 1985 or 86 [cant quite remember!]

.................apparently not -fair enough -bye!

Bjorn:

If you haven't already done so, you should get in touch with William Edgar in California. He has good color photos of his father John's tractor-trailer(s), which were among the first big U.S. transporters. Unfortunately I don't have his contact information, but he's well known in California old car circles.

Frank

Thanks Frank for the hint , did try , but no reply.

Has anyone here ever heard of a Fiat flat 12 Diesel engine in the midfiftes ? It is supposed to haven been in the Scarab transporter , and I do mean the original Scarab transporter (2 axle) not the Cobra transporter (3 axle)((could though have been in there too for a while untill getting the Leyland drive line)) ?

have just disvoered this thread [being new here] -- 'wondered if this was of interest?

Le Mans 1985 or 86 [cant quite remember!]

.................apparently not -fair enough -bye!

What is of interest ?

If the information I've recently got directly from Bartoletti (or what remaining of it...) is exact , the Bartoletti Scarab truck had these VIN#
chassis : 306/2 *001625*
engine : 203.080 *028664*

The 306/2 was the second of the three series of the type 306 bus chassis built from 1956 to 1982.
The 306 was mainly equipped with the engine 203H.61 a 6-cylinder Horizontal diesel (not a real flat) , also called "the big sole", 11,548 cc 176 hp, with a 4+4 speed transmission .
It was also possible to see on these chassis some of the many versions of the straight 6 cylinder engine as the Fiat type 203.0 or the 203.A (different displacement and power) .
I don't know which version this one exactly was (203.080) . However I know that was even produced a gasoline version . Could be ...

I'm totally sure that Fiat never built a flat 12 diesel engine in the fifties .
It is instead true that Fiat equipped for a while some of his trucks with the Aec/Leyland unreliable engines , but not in this case .

Ciao
Andrea