Team Aston Martin 1989 (classic and sportscar nov 90)

Nice pictures at Flick album of a BRM transporter

here:http://flickr.com/photos/martin97uk/892488...57594047365841/


JL

Surely that is not the B.R.M. transporter but the Mobile Workshop!

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer/John Hosman







Rob

"Surely that is not the B.R.M. transporter but the Mobile Workshop"

Probably ,but we can suppose that it has carried the car which is near it.

Jl

No it is a workshop, full of benches and equipment, the transporters were Austin Lodestars and then later; the coachbuilt Leyland Tiger.

Regarding post 1656. Asuming the transporter , if still existing , is in the US somewhere , this post may be more for the US readers. Any ideas or hints may be posted to me on behalf of John Horsman here , or at :

kjerbjoern@hotmail.com

And I dare to hope , thanks in advance.

PS Many thanks to Rob Ryder

a"workshop" van ,like this one ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/BRM-WORKSHOP-VAN-V1...emZ390014822056

What is doing Mays ,pushing outside or inside?

JL

Tarpon: The ramps at the back acted like a set of ramps in the workshop. this allowed the mechanics access to work under the cars.

Referring to posts 1656 & 1659 for those who dont know John Horsman , he was for 3 decades one of the very top associates with Aston Martin , Brabham , Mclaren , Ford, JWAE-Gulf and Harley Cluxton/GTC as well as the author of the great books : Racing in the rain and To finish first.

There are some interesting and clear shots of the w/shop truck and transporters in Karl Ludvigsen's excellent book BRM V16, recently 40/45% off at Veloce, so very inexpensive
Roger Lund

many thanks for all these precisions ;the french language does not make a clear difference between the mobile workshop (camion atelier) and the transporter. We can say that the word"assistance" is now used for that but generally for rallies teams ,and the english word "transporter" for the modern period.For the period until 1970 ,we use "camion d'ecurie" ou transporteur de course as the german Renntransporter .When you talk about Ferrari or Maserati ,or Scarab Bartoletti ,we say "Bisarca and they are Transporter and Workshop at the same time.So,it is not easy to discuss on an international forum.
JL

cher Tarpon,
it is not so easy for us ,poor frenchies to be well undersooted by our english speaking friends(collegues, i am living in provence)but anyway if we maintain the dialogue,that's the main

Tarpon: Being English it never crossed my mind that there could have been a language barrier, I probably just raised my voice a bit; for which I apologise! I suppose that technically we should refer to them as racing car transporters, this would clarify exactly what they were used for.

The mobile workshop would have contained a generator, lathe, pillar drill, air compressor, welder, grinding wheel, work benches and of course the tea making facilities. The combined weight of all this would probably take the vehicle to its legal capabilities.

The B.R.M. Commer shown in the picture was paid for by public subscription and organised by the Midland Automobile Club (MAC). MAC organised the Shelsley Walsh Hillclimbs and had strong ties with Raymond Mays. There was a plaque on the vehicle listing all those who contributed.

to be a little provocative:
what about the JWA/GRRC AEC that Mr HORSMAN is looking for?
behind the driving zone,there were a workshop(bench,drill a s o)and at the back, room for 2 cars.

Philippe. That may well be so, but we were discusing the B.R.M. Commer. That was a fully equiped workshop, designated for that purpose and nothing else! My friend; you are splitting hairs!

Leigh, does the B.R.M. Commer workshop still exist or has it gone to the scrap yard? If it is still about does anyone know who owns it?

Stephen: I honestly do not know, I like to think that some old boy has it in his garden; using it as a workshop, and one day I shall find it! But its probably been weighed in by now!

we have a lot of "vestiges" rusting everywhere .For my opinion the more beautiful was the Lancia "Bisarca" .

We are in Le Mans in 1961 ,an English team is at work in the paddock.



They look like they were working on a plane fighter.
JL

triumph?

Check out post no. 1578..

I don't know if service vehicles are allowed in this thread, but this one was seen at the Rally Monte Carlo Historique this week:



Pretty...

Good picture , thanks. Renault also used them with higher roof .

How about this pretty DAF?

Here are a couple of shots of Williams Transporters from 1985. The first shot is taken on a factory visit in Feb 1985 - it was when the colours changed from white and green to blue so it has had most of the signwriting taken off.



The second shot is from the Donington Rallysprint where Mansell demonstrated the FW10b in November 1985.



Tim

How about this pretty DAF?

Well; at least it is Dutch!!

It's the only vehicle that is!

Not quite , FTF, Ginaf and Terberg still produce trucks , and there was also A.S , ATF , Verheul , Mergan , Spyker (not of today) and Ram. (And to capp it all the Leylands in the post before these latest became DAF)

Ah! Bjorn I was referring to those in the picture! By the way I spotted Van Lennep but who else was in the line-up?

Left to van Lennep is Bernardus Pon (Ben Pon)

oh,.........i'm off!(ha-ha-ha)

In front, from left to right, the drivers: Hans Koster, Freek Dudok van Heel, Ben Pon, Gijs van Lennep, David van Lennep.

In the back, from left to right, the mechanics: Karel Oudewortel, Jaap de Vries, Gerard Nol.

(Pretty easy actually, when you have the picture on the very first page of the RTH book sitting right in front of you. )

And oh, Bjørn, never omit the 'van' in Dutch like you can sometimes leave out the 'von', 'de' or 'di' in German, French and Italian...

Thanks for that ,I have corrected it and will omit.........

PS. I really thought RTNL were closer to orange colours ?

Dear Friends,

One photo of BMW Transporter, maybe 1973 year, OR NOT........

...should be 1974 in the US-IMSA, look at the caravan in US-style and the pick-up with US-license plate.
As a model available from www.premiumclassixxs.de in March (the maroon Porsche transporter as giant 1:18 is coming from Schuco and PremiumClassixxs later this year or at the beginning next year).

There is no evidence of that and "witnesses" are unknown.These trucks were built and sold by Schenk and not by Porsche.As said previously ,it must be easy to ask the german registration to know what was the previous number licence of M EL 1923 here:

Munich Vehicle Registration Office
Kraftfahrzeugzulassung und Fahrerlaubnisbehörde
Eichstätterstr. 2, Munich-Westend
U-Bahn U4/5 Westend
Website: KFZ Zulassung

For you - Mr. Tarpon
...and the world is a disk...

By the way - M - L 1924 is totally irrelevant...

A 1:43 model of the MB 'BMW' Transporter was shown at the Nurnberg Toyfair last week by Premium Classixxs :

http://homepage.t-online.de/extras/public/...&slideview=true

The 2009 ccatalog Premium is here :
http://www.premiumclassixxs.de/downloads/p...atalog-2009.pdf
Unfortunately ,they don't give any information about this truckhistory .The stripes decoration are not exactly at the same angle as the original ,maybe BMW had Two Mercedes transporters ?

I am looking for the 1989 and/or 1990 Onyx-Moneytron F1 transporter , full or part pictures , please ?

I have previously - in post 1556 - uploaded PDF-files of articles I have done on race transporters in the Danish classic magazine, Veteran Tidende. Based on these two first articles, I have done a third story that follows up on the two previous ones. You can download the files by clicking here.

However, few of you can read Danish, let alone understand the language, so here are a some captions for the images:

Page 24, left: The Opel Boliden of Carl Jörns in the harbour of Nordby after the Fanø beach races in 1923. Harry Leach is behind the wheel while the car is surrounded by Leo Villa, Harry Webster and Carl Jörns among others.

Page 24, right: Here, Carl Jörns is sitting in Malcolm Campell's Bluebird.

Page 25: According to Jørgen Lind, author of a book on the Danish Fanø beach races, Austro Daimler was the only entrant not to let their cars drive to the races themselves, but used transporters. The top picture look very much like the Mercedes 15/70/100 PS of 1924 (see previously in this thread), but it doesn't seem to be specially built for the purpose.

Page 26: Photograph from Christoper Hilton's book on the 1955 Le Mans race. I included the scan in my article as a friend of mine felt it incredible that the Mercedes team arrive at La Sarthe with vehicles looking very much like those used a decade or so by the Germany army!

Page 27 - top: View of the Anderstorp paddock in 1977. Most of the teams are easily spotted.

Page 27 - middle: Mike Beckwith sitting in his Tecno-Daf in Roskilde Ring's paddock in September 1968. Behind him is a Volkswagen 1600 with Hamburg plates and a trailer with a Formula Vee, while as Swedish driver's modified 1959 Plymouth Fury is the real eye-catcher.

Page 27 - bottom: Bill Stone's Ford Thames van at the same venue and meeting. The DKW Schnelllaster has no racing relation.

Page 28 - top: Torsten Palm's F3 transporter at Jyllands-Ringen in 1971.

Page 28 - middle: At the same meeting Freddy Kottulinsky used a BMW 2000 to tow his F3 car. A natural choice, as he used a BMW engine in his Lotus ...

Page 28 - bottom: Ford of Boreham's transporter containg a Ford Capri RS 2600 for Dieter Glemser to drive in the group 2/4 saloon car races at the same venue.

Page 29 - top: Still Jyllands-Ringen in 1971. A converted bus used by Swedish-based Dane Niels Peter Ellemann Jacobsen. In the 1970s and 1980s many converted busses were used in the racing society, as many became available when the Swedes went from driving on the left side of the road (like in the UK) to driving on the right side in the late 60s. Based on this fact, it is somewhat peculiar that this example is with left side drive.

Page 29 - bottom: Ole Vejlund in the 1977 Anderstorp paddock with the bus he used to transport his Ralt RT1.

There was a nice photo of the Cooper / Austin Healey on eBay last week :transporter

you are true ,but you must remember that Germany was occupied at that time by English,French and american.On the right of this picture you can see (a small part) of the "blue wonder" the renntransporter which was for the first time at le Mans in 1955 with another transporter the O3500 ,first seen at Reims in 1954 with two sisters trucks,one dedicated to be a "mobile worskhop" .The trucks you show in this picture were not allowed to enter the "pesage" or Scrutenning at the "jacobins" ,only the rennransporter and the 03500


The Renntransporter and the 03500 entering the "jacobins" 1955.

Hi all:
2 weeks ago I received a message from SPARK Models.
They confirmed to me that they have plans to release a 1/43 Mini Moke carrying a Lotus 47GT.
Both will be finished in GLTL Livery...........does someone has photos of them?
I remember having seen here some pics and I am sure someone will have more pictures

TNF Transporter thread page 24 post 924 & 925.

I have a 1-18 scale diecast model of the Mercedes 'bluewonder' race transporter. It really is an interesting creation. Mercedes commisioned a recreation, often shown carrying a contemporary McLaren Mercedes racing car but the original seems to have been much under photographed. A real work of art, form and function is how I would describe the angled and sculpted rear of the drivers cab.

Looking through old Autosports I was reminded of this.
In January 63 Forres' finest, Ray Fielding, advertsied a Mk7 Jaguar transport/shooting brake capable of carrying F1,F2 or F3 car, with one season's use behind it. Must have been some device. Advertised with an Intercontinental BRM
Roger Lund

Hi Guys

Thought you might like to see what a proper Jag transporter looks like !

This is Dad's early 70's workhorse which carried various F3, F2 and even Can-Am cars ! He still remembers being able to outdrag Mini's from traffic lights with it

[img][IMG]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6931/mk9d.jpg[/img][/IMG]

Cheers
Richard Taylor

Let me guess, the shot of the Lotus on the back of the Jag was taken en route to Scammonden?

Any thoughts about from whom your father purchased the Jag? We might be able to trace it backwards
Roger Lund