Randy:

Right you are. There was more than one Shelby trailer. There's an old Dave Friedman photo of them both, together, at Sebring.

Frank

Tarpon , the light blue Matra International/Tyrrell for the DFV engined F1 went to Matra from 1970 . Then in 1970(late 69) Tyrrell went on with his new medium/dark blue Tyrrell team (from 71-78 Elf Team Tyrrell)transporter which appears to be the Marsh plant which Gregor Marshall showed (not "Uncle Ken")with altered roof line . This was then rebuild and presented in "original" Elf Team Tyrrell" in 2003 and is another car.

the Marsh plant is identical to Matra international' (without the roof ,we see that it was added after),nothing to see with the worldmaster which came after,late 69 for Tyrell March.Both cabs are completely different .In your story there is a missing truck ,the Marshall.
THE matra-international was the original TYRELL used in F2 ,but after.....maybe it was sold and become the Marshall one day,or the Matra simca ;I am going to ask the french registration to know where this truck came from

Tarpon , it looks as you know a lot on Tyrrell and Matra transporters. Maybe a year by year listing by you , would avoid misunderstandings and create understanding ?

Ok Bjorn,i upload the first image and you continue for the second one.(captured from a Video kenTyrell surviving,mark stewart production,copyright Ferret)

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Bjorn
I've just added some photos taken at Zolder in 1975 to the personal photos from the paddock thread.
Some of them show partial views of transporters - including the Tyrrell one - you are welcome to add any of them to this thread if you want.
Peter

Thanks to all for the latest pictures and infos , great pleasure. (I will be back back on Tyrrels.)

Tarpon ref post 1605. Either remove image or add copyright ferret fotographics .Happy Christmas.

TED,
many thanks for the link ,i had not ,this capture was from a video dedidaced to Ken tyrell (Mark stewart production,Ken Tyrell surviving Formula1)without credits.

Perhaps the whole film is Ferret copyright ?

I don't know but we Must respect copyrights because it is for us the only way to keep the history alive and to add the possibility to make this history credible.
As a member of ACO for 35 years ,I am often asked about the "veracity" of some pictures ,I have a big personal collection which began when kid, I carried the cameras (ouf!) sometimes at Le Mans for Lafay who was a family neighbour.Every year ,for the "depart" (better ,in french) I was on the photographs Platform upon the caretaker apartment .One year ,during the saturday night,the dog of the caretaker (a german shepperd!,the dog not the caretaker) decided to go to the middle of the track to piss like it did every nignt ,and it did calmly without stress .Unfortunately no cameras at that moment,and fortunaly no cars,probably a copyright moment.

Thanks Tarpon I know it seems stupid but whoever made the video stole the image from somewhere

Ted ,no problem .I have add post 1605 the credits archives of this Video.Happy Xmas you too
JL

1969 March Transporter just listed for sale: (nothing to do with me!)

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C38278?pt=pf

A couple of nice period pic's in the ad.

Apologies if this has been posted previously, but this is the recent Mercedes Recreation of their 1950s High Speed Transporter taken at their newly-opened museum in Stuttgart a couple of years ago.

AJB:

A fascinating device. Using factory photos, I wrote and published an extensive article on it for the July/August 2002 issue of The Star, the magazine of the Mercedes-Benz Club of America. Unfortunately, it's no longer on my hard drive...

Frank

A Merry X-mas to all transporter freaks ! (Are there any ?) And the contributors to this thread !!!

I don't think this picture of the Alfa Romeo transporter at Le Mans in 1953 has been posted here before :



Source : http://www.alfabb.com/

Alfa had no special build race car transporters for their campaign in 1953 but used their "normal" Auto transporters for the racecars. What you cannot see is an Alfa Romeo 900 truck (2 axle) at the front. This type of truck was used as support truck lowsided or with canvas cover for their F1's in 51 , when they still used the 1936(for Sc.Ferrari) vans (now modified) for their racecars. The beautifull picture is from the book MINTEX MAN by Guy Loveridge with Bob Richardson , a splendid book with faboulos colourpictures on and of the tracks , and good captions from the years 53-62. A must have!

Love the wheels on the trailer, they look like a really big mag-alloy

From front to rear , called as I know them "TRILEX" , often cast in one peace , but also as a "kit" and bolted together. For Europe , mostly used in Italy and the Alps area , very seldom in UK and Scandinavia. Also common on US truck makes in EU and US( like Mack , GMC , KW). Before WW2 often a sign of a "heavy" truck.

Thanks Bjorn, I had noticed that they seemed more prevalent in the mountain areas, they look great!

Alfa raced tree cars at Le Mans in 1953 #21, #22, #23 So what is the car wearing #x8 in the transporter?

Car 68 reserve for Stagnoli/Palmieri chassis 1361.00128

Here's another view I found of the Alfa transporter which shows the arrangement better, this time from 1964/65 with road going TZ1's :

This combo being a typical Italian autotransporter. It looks like one of the not too often seen bigger OM's
(the OM factory being Fiat owned) but the front mystifies me a bit . The build up is by Bartoletti. Not carrying that heavy a load it was normal with 4 axles , but some had 3 axles on the trailers placed together in the middle of the trailer length. A normal Italian truck carrying heavy loads or refrigerated or tanker would have 7-8 axles on such a truck/trailer combo , whereas truck/semitrailers would be 6 axled. The truck is definitely not looking like the Alfa transporter of 53 , only in general !

Tarpon (and all others with interest) , I have yet to do my "homework" but we do have a thread ,
Elf Team Tyrrell Transporter ( http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php? )

Bjorn,
"the OM factory being Fiat owned) but the front mystifies me a bit"
an Alfa romeo radiator grill has been riveted on the fiat one ,maybe a joke. (?)
great mystery
jl

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1969 Targa Florio -- Paddock Floriopoli

The cheek...!

.....still wondering which behinds I like best .

A link posted on another forum, LM 1965:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5076/lm...gasneriexn8.jpg

Paul M

Thanks Paul , works Ferrari Transporter , Filipinetti in the background with the winning 250LM (?) , and on the right Maranello GB Ford Thames luton bodied van.

Reference to the recent new year images posted on this forum, can members please restrict their submissions to the subject of transporters - there is plenty of this smut already available elsewhere on the web without it being portrayed here!

retriever ...... I whole heartily agree!

retreiver : I will help lead you on the "right" way , post 1398 , how is that a Ford Thames ?

Tarpon : tried to e-mail you through the TNF .....it was returned to me !

I am of the same view. Probably a 4D Trader, see the square nose through the screen. This smaller weight truck would have been normal/ideal for a single car vehicle. I cannot find an apprpriate shot in the books here, but these were sent to the bodyshops as chassis/cowls for a variety of van bodies to be fitted, as happens with the Transits going down to Southampton factory. It is very unlikely that Willment would have used anything other than Ford for vehicles at these lower weights. His construction stuff would have been something else. Has anyone tried the Willment family etc?
Roger Lund

I did more than once try Willment through their website with no contact. I too would find it weird if Willment had a Commer , but have not seen a Ford ever look like this as opposed to other makes , thats why I brought it up again.

Bowmaker Yeoman Racing Albion parked at Goodwood in 1962
This would become the Cooper Formula One Transporter for 1963.
Cooper F1 took over the big Albion(Leyland) which was used by first British Racing Partners in 1960 , then by Yeoman/Parnell in 1961 and Bowmaker/Yeoman/Lola in 1962.


Photo Wally Willmott collection
all research Bjorn Kjer

Cooper Formula One Team for 1963 Albion Transporter


photo Wally Willmott collection

Cooper Formula One Transporter in 1962 at Monaco
Cooper got this Transporter an Austin for the start of the 1959 F1 season through 1962.That would be four full years. Perhaps also used as a reserve for F2/F3 up to 1965.

photo Wally Willmott collection
all research Bjorn Kjer

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I am sure Bjørn will make some comments

Is this the Thames (1 and/or 2) some of you think is the same as the Willment car( picture 3) shown ? (found by Googling)

The blue Thames Trader bus looks similar to those used by the National Coal Board in the sixties. I do know of one standing in a farm yard in Norfolk.

Above: 1968 Monaco F3 Paddock with the Charles Lucas team transporter in the foreground.

I was in Monaco into 68, ace you of another photographs?

as tu d'autres photos de Monaco 1968, j'y étais.

(paddock F3 dans l'alignement du virage de La Gare)
(F3 bed in the alignment of the turn of the Station)

But it looks like the red Thames behind the canvas canopied VW at Monaco, even down to the yellow logo thing on the n/s. Just the stripes etc have been re painted. I cannot recall exactly the configurations but I suspect that the 4Ds had 6 stud hubs and wheel and the heavier gross weight 6Ds had 8 studs. I cannot rmemebr if they went up in gvw/gtw to have 10 studs. I thought that started with the top of the range later square cab D series from '66 when they started using the Perkins V8 as well as the turbo 360 Ford.
RL

BTW there is another shot of the Bowmaker Thames which Jerry posted, in the Goodwood 10 years of the Revival book, in the rear of a shot of Jack Brabham in the paddock
RL

About solved then , another piece in my puzzle. Thanks!
The Ford of Charles Lucas must have been their workshop only. I think they had a big Strachan Thames transporter for the cars.
Anyway , I would have love to walk this path with a camera.

Well spotted Bruno, the old railway line had a tarmac top coat and was used as a car park normally. I have a couple more photos taken in and around Monaco but this is the only one with transporters in it!