Query not on Transporters, but on 'Transporting' cars. I've got some '71 A/Sports, and in the Pete Lyons Questor GP report, he says the cars were transported by plane (1) from the UK, except the Ferraris.
Would it have been possible in those days to put 15 or so F1 cars onto 1 plane? I guess it would have been too early for a 747/wide body freighter, so could a 707/DC8 or CL44 have accomodated so many chassis in 1 flight?
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ISTR something sometime about giant Russian Antonovs or some such being used to move lots of race cars at once.
Roger Lund
Roger Lund
There was a photo in MS in about 2000 (on a subscription renewal page IIRC) of cars waiting to be loaded on a CL44 for the 1963 USGP, including the ATS team.
Paul M
edit: Jan. 2001 page 14!
Paul M
edit: Jan. 2001 page 14!
Post 1545 picture 3 the Volvo , Whose ? Frank Williams ?
Post 1548 picture 2 the Scania , whose ?
Post 1548 picture 2 the Scania , whose ?
1545 March, Lombardis March under the awning.
1549 Vels Parnelli?
1549 Vels Parnelli?
Sometime ago - well, to be honest, we are probably talking years instead of months and weeks - I aired the idea of getting an article published in Denmark on the subject of race transporters and the transportation of racing cars. This autumn I got two articles published in one of the leading Danish classic magazines - Veteran Tidende - but as only few of you have had access to that magazine, I have made a scan of the two articles for you to download:
Click here to download article on international transporters
Click here to download article on Danish transporters
And as you look at the pictures, on some of them concerning the non-Danish vehicles it is easy to recognize the cars in question, but on others - mainly the Danish vehicles - it would be a puzzle to you (also because the text is in Danish). So below you'll find a short resume of what is shown in the pictures:
Article on international transporters
Page 16: The well-known Mercedes Renntransporter from the 50s. Or rather, this is the replica that the works got built recently.
Page 17: The Büssing NAG 300 lorries of the Auto Union Renndienst of the 30s.
Page 18 - top: Ordinary truck used by BMW for the transportation of spares for the 1940 Mille Miglia.
Page 18 – bottom: Swedish Formula 3 drivers Brune Tavell and Oscar Swahn used the transporter behind them to transport their Cooper-JAPs around Sweden and abroad in 1949.
Page 19 – top: When Mercedes re-entered Grand Prix racing in 1954, they arrived with new lorries as well.
Page 19 – bottom: The Mercedes Renntransporter again. This time the real thing in a photograph from the 1955 Swedish Grand Prix.
Page 20 – top: Restored Fiat truck photographed at the 2003 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 20 – bottom: The Ecurie Ecosse transporter photographed in central Copenhagen in 1996.
Page 21 – top: Restored transporters from Tyrrell, Ecurie Ecosse, BMC Corporation (two) and Elva exhibited at the 2007 Race Retro show.
Page 21 – bottom: The restored Lotus transporter from the late 60s photographed at the 2003 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 22: The Leyland Worldmaster-based transporter of Team Tyrrell photographed at the 2005 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 23 – top: Various transporter in the Silverstone paddock photographed in 1971 by fellow TNF member David Lawson.
Page 23 – middle and bottom: Various race transporters in the Anderstorp paddock in 1977. Top the Lotus transporter, bottom to the left the March Rothmans transporter.
Page 24: A very special double decker bus – or should we say one-and-a-half-deck bus – photographed at the German Diepholz airfield circuit in 1976.
Page 25: The transporters used by the three manufacturers entered in the 2001 DTM series.
Article on Danish transporers
Page 10-11: In the late 80s eight-time Le Mans winner Tom Kristensen’s career got to a standstill due to lack of finances, and the vehicle he was driving the most during that period was the so-called bank bus of Himmerlandsbanken. This bus was used the bank to visit the minor villages to service its clients there. A decade earlier this bus had performed the same duty, and when it was taken out of service, in the mid 70s it was bought by Tom’s father – Carl Erik Kristensen – who converted it as a combined transporter and a rolling spare part warehouse, as the was Burton’s Danish distributor.
Page 12 – top: In 1949 Dane Arnold Jensen was going to take part in the Finnish Djursgårdsloppet in his Ford V8 Special. Initially, it was planned to tow the car, but as Arnold Jensen got his by stones from the rough Swedish roads, he decided to drive instead by the car’s own power.
Page 12 – middle and bottom: One of the more curious race transporters seen. Probably a Dodge or Plymouth of 1938 vintage. The owner and driver of the Cooper in the mid 50s was Børge Nielsen.
Page 13 – top: This is the first Danish racing transporter. An Opel Blitz formerly used by the Copenhagen Police, which in 1957 got converted to racing use. It could hold four Formula 3 chassis.
Page 13 – middle: Fritz Møller is preparing to head to Falkenberg with his Scuderia Daffy Elva Mk5 on tow.
Page 14 – top: Around 1960 several Danish drivers had the special transporters made. A tow-trailer where the cover resembled an oversize oil tin cut in half and decorated with the sponsor’s logo. Apart from this Castrol version of Bille Andersen, a Bardahl version was also seen in period.
Page 14 – bottom: Gunnar Anderson showing his silverware from a race win in northern Germany with his van with an awning behind.
Page 15 – top: Gunnar Henriksen’s BMW 2002 is at the front in the Ring Djursland paddock in 1968, where a lot of different transporters can be seen. They were quite typical of the situation in Denmark at that time.
Page 15 – middle: Two Sunbeam Imps and two transporters. One big enough and one on the small side. Again Ring Djursland, this time 1969.
Page 15 – bottom: I have previously published this photo on this thread. The Clubman of multiple Danish touring car championship Erik Høyer (left) with his mechanic Poul Heichendorff, who – incidently – have supplied the photos of the oil drum trailers.
Page 16 – top: In 1976 and 1977 Henrik Kirkegaard transported his Renault 5 this way like many of his competitors. One of the competitors was Lars Erik Nielsen – who finished third in the GT2 class at Le Mans this year – and he has told me that in the evening when the proper racing was over, the drivers took out their VW Transporters and raced each other on the circuit.
Page 16 – middle: The Citroën 2CV Cross class was quite popular in Denmark in the late 70s and early 80s. Anders Tage Jensen (pictured) borrowed the trailer from a local who used it to transport a carroussel to fun fairs. Both the carroussel and the trailer exit to this day.
Page 16 – bottom: The Mercedes 508 and 608 models were ideal for Formula Fords or Sunbeam Imps in the 1970s.
Page 17: A traditional car transporter can also be used. The NSU driver survived this shunt at Ring Djursland.
Page 18: Jens Winther was Denmark’s first Le Mans driver, and when he acquired an BMW M3 in 1982 he converted an old tourist bus to take him and the rest of the team around Europe. As he sasy today, the bus knew its way to the Mosel area, so Nürburgring was not hard to find.
Page 19 – top: In 1985 Jesper Villumsen (sitting on the rear-wheel) was not only an FF2000 driver but also an employee of the Faltec company which produced folding doors for factories. So instead of giving his old Volvo truck a traditional awning, he had this made-to-measure green house produced.
Page 19 – bottom: A 2001 transporter from the Danish Touringcar Championship.
Click here to download article on international transporters
Click here to download article on Danish transporters
And as you look at the pictures, on some of them concerning the non-Danish vehicles it is easy to recognize the cars in question, but on others - mainly the Danish vehicles - it would be a puzzle to you (also because the text is in Danish). So below you'll find a short resume of what is shown in the pictures:
Article on international transporters
Page 16: The well-known Mercedes Renntransporter from the 50s. Or rather, this is the replica that the works got built recently.
Page 17: The Büssing NAG 300 lorries of the Auto Union Renndienst of the 30s.
Page 18 - top: Ordinary truck used by BMW for the transportation of spares for the 1940 Mille Miglia.
Page 18 – bottom: Swedish Formula 3 drivers Brune Tavell and Oscar Swahn used the transporter behind them to transport their Cooper-JAPs around Sweden and abroad in 1949.
Page 19 – top: When Mercedes re-entered Grand Prix racing in 1954, they arrived with new lorries as well.
Page 19 – bottom: The Mercedes Renntransporter again. This time the real thing in a photograph from the 1955 Swedish Grand Prix.
Page 20 – top: Restored Fiat truck photographed at the 2003 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 20 – bottom: The Ecurie Ecosse transporter photographed in central Copenhagen in 1996.
Page 21 – top: Restored transporters from Tyrrell, Ecurie Ecosse, BMC Corporation (two) and Elva exhibited at the 2007 Race Retro show.
Page 21 – bottom: The restored Lotus transporter from the late 60s photographed at the 2003 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 22: The Leyland Worldmaster-based transporter of Team Tyrrell photographed at the 2005 Oldtimer Grand Prix.
Page 23 – top: Various transporter in the Silverstone paddock photographed in 1971 by fellow TNF member David Lawson.
Page 23 – middle and bottom: Various race transporters in the Anderstorp paddock in 1977. Top the Lotus transporter, bottom to the left the March Rothmans transporter.
Page 24: A very special double decker bus – or should we say one-and-a-half-deck bus – photographed at the German Diepholz airfield circuit in 1976.
Page 25: The transporters used by the three manufacturers entered in the 2001 DTM series.
Article on Danish transporers
Page 10-11: In the late 80s eight-time Le Mans winner Tom Kristensen’s career got to a standstill due to lack of finances, and the vehicle he was driving the most during that period was the so-called bank bus of Himmerlandsbanken. This bus was used the bank to visit the minor villages to service its clients there. A decade earlier this bus had performed the same duty, and when it was taken out of service, in the mid 70s it was bought by Tom’s father – Carl Erik Kristensen – who converted it as a combined transporter and a rolling spare part warehouse, as the was Burton’s Danish distributor.
Page 12 – top: In 1949 Dane Arnold Jensen was going to take part in the Finnish Djursgårdsloppet in his Ford V8 Special. Initially, it was planned to tow the car, but as Arnold Jensen got his by stones from the rough Swedish roads, he decided to drive instead by the car’s own power.
Page 12 – middle and bottom: One of the more curious race transporters seen. Probably a Dodge or Plymouth of 1938 vintage. The owner and driver of the Cooper in the mid 50s was Børge Nielsen.
Page 13 – top: This is the first Danish racing transporter. An Opel Blitz formerly used by the Copenhagen Police, which in 1957 got converted to racing use. It could hold four Formula 3 chassis.
Page 13 – middle: Fritz Møller is preparing to head to Falkenberg with his Scuderia Daffy Elva Mk5 on tow.
Page 14 – top: Around 1960 several Danish drivers had the special transporters made. A tow-trailer where the cover resembled an oversize oil tin cut in half and decorated with the sponsor’s logo. Apart from this Castrol version of Bille Andersen, a Bardahl version was also seen in period.
Page 14 – bottom: Gunnar Anderson showing his silverware from a race win in northern Germany with his van with an awning behind.
Page 15 – top: Gunnar Henriksen’s BMW 2002 is at the front in the Ring Djursland paddock in 1968, where a lot of different transporters can be seen. They were quite typical of the situation in Denmark at that time.
Page 15 – middle: Two Sunbeam Imps and two transporters. One big enough and one on the small side. Again Ring Djursland, this time 1969.
Page 15 – bottom: I have previously published this photo on this thread. The Clubman of multiple Danish touring car championship Erik Høyer (left) with his mechanic Poul Heichendorff, who – incidently – have supplied the photos of the oil drum trailers.
Page 16 – top: In 1976 and 1977 Henrik Kirkegaard transported his Renault 5 this way like many of his competitors. One of the competitors was Lars Erik Nielsen – who finished third in the GT2 class at Le Mans this year – and he has told me that in the evening when the proper racing was over, the drivers took out their VW Transporters and raced each other on the circuit.
Page 16 – middle: The Citroën 2CV Cross class was quite popular in Denmark in the late 70s and early 80s. Anders Tage Jensen (pictured) borrowed the trailer from a local who used it to transport a carroussel to fun fairs. Both the carroussel and the trailer exit to this day.
Page 16 – bottom: The Mercedes 508 and 608 models were ideal for Formula Fords or Sunbeam Imps in the 1970s.
Page 17: A traditional car transporter can also be used. The NSU driver survived this shunt at Ring Djursland.
Page 18: Jens Winther was Denmark’s first Le Mans driver, and when he acquired an BMW M3 in 1982 he converted an old tourist bus to take him and the rest of the team around Europe. As he sasy today, the bus knew its way to the Mosel area, so Nürburgring was not hard to find.
Page 19 – top: In 1985 Jesper Villumsen (sitting on the rear-wheel) was not only an FF2000 driver but also an employee of the Faltec company which produced folding doors for factories. So instead of giving his old Volvo truck a traditional awning, he had this made-to-measure green house produced.
Page 19 – bottom: A 2001 transporter from the Danish Touringcar Championship.
very interesting thanks Morten 
I especially like the 'oil drum' trailer in Castrol colours!
Rick
I especially like the 'oil drum' trailer in Castrol colours!
Rick
1967 British GP and Rindt'd spare T81 is loaded into the transporter.
This is a great thread 
A couple from the Carrera Panamericana
A couple from the Carrera Panamericana
Don ,you will have made a lot of older enthusiasts very happy. I am always disappointed that colour photographs of the Lancia truck in period, even when Reventlow had it, are so rare as to be non-existant.
Roger Lund
Roger Lund
Roger , agree with all your words except that Reventlow did not have this transporter. I am sure you will realize your little mistake when you read my words : This one disappeared when Ferrari took over the Lancia F1 operation , it was not even used when the whole lot of cars and equipment was picked up it seems. It is said to have been sold for cattle transport locally . The Reventlow car however was the ex Maserati "smaller" RN126 van of Fiat/OM Bartoletti origin bought from them in 56 and taken back to the US. Today it is fully restored and back in Europe. Its bigger sister the 642 is now well under way to to fully restauration too ,this one doing duty at Centro Sud after Maserati withdrew officially racing in 57.
Quite right, Bjorn, must be the paint fumes here, decorating.
The only colour shot I can recall, without going back through all of my files, of the 3 axle Lancia truck is from the video/book of the Lancia team at the Carrera in '53, shot from the rear, unloading 2 of the cars . I think it was with the others, taken from the book, which I sent ages ago.
RL
The only colour shot I can recall, without going back through all of my files, of the 3 axle Lancia truck is from the video/book of the Lancia team at the Carrera in '53, shot from the rear, unloading 2 of the cars . I think it was with the others, taken from the book, which I sent ages ago.
RL
Thanks for that Macca , more than 1 very interesting and very seldom seen pics from Monaco paddock. Also on the site many other nice F1 pictures.
Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer
Any help on ID or other information would be appreciated.
Any help on ID or other information would be appreciated.
Apologies if already mentioned, but in Classic and Sportscar this month there's a good writeup on the restored Fiat (Scarab) hauler.
Rick
Rick
My comments to post 1565 :
The colour picture is from an old film . I believe its 1963 as Brabham had only a Commer van and trailer in 1962 and in 1964&1965 they had the blue Bedford TK. The picture clearly show the front fender lines to be a non Bedford TK . Any guesses to what car it could be ?
The second picture has reg.no BAW471. I think I found it in an old Motor Sport mag. late 50's F2 I would say. Looks like France . Rouen or Reims , any ideas. Car 20 gives some possibilities , but perhaps someone just happen to know ?
Post 1566 , Rick , I would call it the ex Cobra transporter which in turn was the ex Scarab but modified transporter.
I would very much like to see the article , but British mags are unobtainable here nowadays , so a scan would be lovely please .
The colour picture is from an old film . I believe its 1963 as Brabham had only a Commer van and trailer in 1962 and in 1964&1965 they had the blue Bedford TK. The picture clearly show the front fender lines to be a non Bedford TK . Any guesses to what car it could be ?
The second picture has reg.no BAW471. I think I found it in an old Motor Sport mag. late 50's F2 I would say. Looks like France . Rouen or Reims , any ideas. Car 20 gives some possibilities , but perhaps someone just happen to know ?
Post 1566 , Rick , I would call it the ex Cobra transporter which in turn was the ex Scarab but modified transporter.
I would very much like to see the article , but British mags are unobtainable here nowadays , so a scan would be lovely please .
JPH, I get the same quizzical reaction when I start talking about racing transporters!
I thought the forum might be interested in photos that a friend and I shot at the Monterey Historic Races in California in August. Beautiful job, beautiful vehicle.
http://public.fotki.com/cafox513/scarab-1/transporter/
These are of the restored Scarab transporter. We took these pictures as a large crowd gathered. We moved on to other subjects thinking we would return later to take more pictures. Unfortunately, the transporter had left!
Enjoy!
Fielden
I thought the forum might be interested in photos that a friend and I shot at the Monterey Historic Races in California in August. Beautiful job, beautiful vehicle.
http://public.fotki.com/cafox513/scarab-1/transporter/
These are of the restored Scarab transporter. We took these pictures as a large crowd gathered. We moved on to other subjects thinking we would return later to take more pictures. Unfortunately, the transporter had left!
Enjoy!
Fielden
Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
If the John Wyer AEC was delivered in 1968 and used till the end in 75 , what did JW use in 1967 for his Ford GT 40 's ?? Any knowledge, hints or guesses ?
If the John Wyer AEC was delivered in 1968 and used till the end in 75 , what did JW use in 1967 for his Ford GT 40 's ?? Any knowledge, hints or guesses ?
I can't help with 1967, but in 1966 the GT40's weren't transported to Le Mans in a fancy transporter but were simply loaded onto tandem axle trailers towed behind Ford Transit vans. I can't recall if these pictures have been shown here before, but if not I hope they're of interest :
http://www.gt40.org.uk/Gallery/images/Road...LeMans66-01.JPG
http://www.gt40.org.uk/Gallery/images/Road...LeMans66-02.JPG
http://www.gt40.org.uk/Gallery/images/PaddockLeMans66.jpg
P1569 thanks , so far I had only seen them in b/w.
P1566 & P1568 . Wonderfull restauration/rebuild , congratulations to the team of builders and fine pictures of it. Pity they keep calling it Scarab transporter when it is in fact the Cobra transporter(ex Scarab).
P1567 I have read the article by now, interesting , but throws up some controversial infos , and is not the full story.
P1566 & P1568 . Wonderfull restauration/rebuild , congratulations to the team of builders and fine pictures of it. Pity they keep calling it Scarab transporter when it is in fact the Cobra transporter(ex Scarab).
P1567 I have read the article by now, interesting , but throws up some controversial infos , and is not the full story.
I thought the forum might be interested in photos that a friend and I shot at the Monterey
Great job ,many thanks for the details .
JL
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222487
(you have to join to see the photos but it's free)
Paul M
(you have to join to see the photos but it's free)
Paul M
http://www.finecars.cc/en/find/gallery/ind...est%5Bshow%5D=1
Hit "pininfarina" in the search engine and find a BMC transporter said to be in California ,click on the picture to a lot more details
JL
Hit "pininfarina" in the search engine and find a BMC transporter said to be in California ,click on the picture to a lot more details
JL
Some of my early paddock photos:
Although a tad out of focus (I was using a Kodak Brownie!) this is a shot of the Bill Moss Lotus 18. Immediately behind the Lotus is Bill's "transporter" whilst in the background is Jim Russell's wagon. The photo was taken at Oulton Park in April 1961.
This is the Cooper-Austin F3 of Brian Hough sat in/on its transporter in the Oulton Park paddock in 1965. The Edwin Dawson truck was used to transport teddie Dawson's f3 car whilst the coachbuilt truck in the background was used by either an F3 team or a British saloon car runner (not sure which).
This is the Winklemann Transporter complete with the two Brabhams raced by Alan Rees (top) and Jochen Rindt. It was taken at Oulton Park in 1967
This is the Robin Widdows Brabham on its trailer with in the background the Team Lotus transporter used to convey the F2 Lotus team to the meeting. Further in the background is the truck used to transport the Maranello Consessionaires Ferrari LM to Oulton Park. The photo is from 1967.
Although a tad out of focus (I was using a Kodak Brownie!) this is a shot of the Bill Moss Lotus 18. Immediately behind the Lotus is Bill's "transporter" whilst in the background is Jim Russell's wagon. The photo was taken at Oulton Park in April 1961.
This is the Cooper-Austin F3 of Brian Hough sat in/on its transporter in the Oulton Park paddock in 1965. The Edwin Dawson truck was used to transport teddie Dawson's f3 car whilst the coachbuilt truck in the background was used by either an F3 team or a British saloon car runner (not sure which).
This is the Winklemann Transporter complete with the two Brabhams raced by Alan Rees (top) and Jochen Rindt. It was taken at Oulton Park in 1967
This is the Robin Widdows Brabham on its trailer with in the background the Team Lotus transporter used to convey the F2 Lotus team to the meeting. Further in the background is the truck used to transport the Maranello Consessionaires Ferrari LM to Oulton Park. The photo is from 1967.
As usual Stephen has come up with the goods. The pick-up in his first picture sign written 'Standard Triumph and Jaguar' is a Standard Atlas, which was later known as a Leyland 20.[
the cooper looks to be sitting in a reworked milk float ?
Originally posted by Leigh Trevail
As usual Stephen has come up with the goods. The pick-up in his first picture sign written 'Standard Triumph and Jaguar' is a Standard Atlas, which was later known as a Leyland 20.
As usual Stephen has come up with the goods. The pick-up in his first picture sign written 'Standard Triumph and Jaguar' is a Standard Atlas, which was later known as a Leyland 20.
I used to wander round the paddock at Oulton with my old Kodak Brownie - a sort of plastic monstrosity. I never realised that it would be the background that would be the most interesting factor in years to come!
I don't think that this actually ever existed in the flesh in fact I've never seen any mention of a specific Healey transporter other than the BMC and Ecurie Ecosse ones, Have any of you?
büssing was regularly seen at historic racing events in the 1990ies, was built on an old büssing truck by r.jordan, tranporting his healey to race events. was sold later on, but where today?
Originally posted by Tweddell
büssing was regularly seen at historic racing events in the 1990ies, was built on an old büssing truck by r.jordan, tranporting his healey to race events. was sold later on, but where today?
büssing was regularly seen at historic racing events in the 1990ies, was built on an old büssing truck by r.jordan, tranporting his healey to race events. was sold later on, but where today?
It looks a lot like the transporter which Stanley Mann uses for his racing vintage Bentleys, and poss also fro collecting and delivering those which he buys and sells, which now has some side windows towards the front. Contact him via his website for the Bentleys for sale
Roger Lund
Originally posted by EDWARD FITZGERALD
the cooper looks to be sitting in a reworked milk float ?
the cooper looks to be sitting in a reworked milk float ?
Something like the old Corgi toys milkfloat perhaps...
http://www.die-cast-toys.com/corgiboxed-1/466box.jpg
At first I thought it might be a Commer PA, but looking at it again, I think it's probably more like a BMC J2?
J2: http://www.tropicsurf.com/morris/images/IMG_4533.JPG
Commer: http://www.commervanfan.co.uk/images/10/onpurchase.JPG
Transporter in pits
photo Rodney Dodson collection
Looks like Donington Jerry, possibly a BTCC meeting with the John Clark Transporter on the left - he raced Production Saloon and Group 1 BMWs in the UK and is based in Scotland.
Nigel Mansell's F-3000 Team Transporter in pits
G J Motorsport Transporter
posted for Rodney Dodson
Many thanks for that Jerry let me know if you want anymore, the yellow/cream transporter of Omegaland Racing eas a F3000 test day @ Donnington
This is the Ex Leyton House/Eddie Jordan Racing Transporter
Forum member Rodney Dodson was part of the G J Motorsport crew.
Their drivers were Giovanna Amati and Dave Coyne in F-3000.
photo Rodney Dodson collection.
The Stanley BRM Transporter circa 1977 thanks to Motoring News. Somehow I expected it to be, well, bigger...........
It IS big !
According to the accounts, it WAS awfully expensive...
DCN
DCN
Those with an overlaping interest in transporters and model cars will know Spark have just released the 1970 Matra Equip transporter below.
Can anyone at TNF share any details where and when this transporter was used.
The fact that there are 5 drivers names on the van suggest to me it was primarily used to transport sportscars (at least in the form the model appears) rather than the Formula One team. However, I can't find any race in 1970 where all 5 drivers named on the van appeared. The closest is perhaps Le Mans, where all the drivers named appeared except for Servoz-Gavin (replaced by Depailler and Jabouille), while at the Boac race all except Beltoise appeared (the same applied at Sebring but surely they wouldn't have shipped the transporter all the way to the US would they ?).
So, did this transporter appear at Le Mans in 1970 and does anyone have any pictures which might support this theory.
In coming to the above conclusion I've relied on the details of the Matra 660 at the following website :
http://www.imca-slotracing.com/Matra650-660.htm
Can anyone at TNF share any details where and when this transporter was used.
The fact that there are 5 drivers names on the van suggest to me it was primarily used to transport sportscars (at least in the form the model appears) rather than the Formula One team. However, I can't find any race in 1970 where all 5 drivers named on the van appeared. The closest is perhaps Le Mans, where all the drivers named appeared except for Servoz-Gavin (replaced by Depailler and Jabouille), while at the Boac race all except Beltoise appeared (the same applied at Sebring but surely they wouldn't have shipped the transporter all the way to the US would they ?).
So, did this transporter appear at Le Mans in 1970 and does anyone have any pictures which might support this theory.
In coming to the above conclusion I've relied on the details of the Matra 660 at the following website :
http://www.imca-slotracing.com/Matra650-660.htm
The Stanley-BRM transporter was in old money 38 foot in length 12 foot in height and just short of 8 foot in width but "Big Lou" did have 3 of them the one in the photo was the latest, and for size it managed 2 x P207 with room to spare.
Not sure what happened to it I did see it at Oulton Park carrying a special saloon (I think) around 1984/85 and although re painted the awning still had a now fading Rotary watches/BRM motif
Rodney Dodson.
Not sure what happened to it I did see it at Oulton Park carrying a special saloon (I think) around 1984/85 and although re painted the awning still had a now fading Rotary watches/BRM motif
Rodney Dodson.
any details where and when this transporter was used
A good picture on Formula 1 paddock at http://www.schlegelmilch.com/New/
Hit "paddock " in the search engine and you will find this Transporter as his brother The matra international (Tyrell)
1970 was its first livery as Matra Simca Elf before to become Matra Simca Shell and Matra Simca GITANES ,was used for formula one first and a few endurance races as Le Mans and 1000 kms of Paris(Monthlery) won by F.Cevert and sir Jack in 1970 .I suppose that sir Jack had a ELF contract for le Mans and Paris because it was described as a Elf pilot on some brochures.
When Matra stopped F1(1972)it was used until the end of race endurance (1974) .
It was sold to Guy Ligier as part of the F1 activities of Matra and began a new career as Ligier Gitanes during a few years (?).This transporter was some months ago rusting outside with a broken gear box..This Leyland has a sister(brother?) in England as The Tyrell Leyland .
I don't think they had shipped this truck overseas ,i have nor picture about that,nor information.
This model has been made previously by JPS and also Provence Moulage a few years ago.Provence Moulage had a full range of liveries and the Matra international too ,and cerise sur le gateau" a rear door opening ,very difficult to find.
If you have better informations ,correct me.
That is interesting is the fact that two examples of this Leyland was made ,first by Tyrell until late 1969 replaced by a Worldmaster and another one used by Matra from 1970.
But a Mystery exists :was the Matra international the Ex-Tyrell or the future Matra Elf ,as we know that a similar truck has been sold in England as ..Tyrell?Uncle Ken ,please...
A good picture on Formula 1 paddock at http://www.schlegelmilch.com/New/
Hit "paddock " in the search engine and you will find this Transporter as his brother The matra international (Tyrell)
1970 was its first livery as Matra Simca Elf before to become Matra Simca Shell and Matra Simca GITANES ,was used for formula one first and a few endurance races as Le Mans and 1000 kms of Paris(Monthlery) won by F.Cevert and sir Jack in 1970 .I suppose that sir Jack had a ELF contract for le Mans and Paris because it was described as a Elf pilot on some brochures.
When Matra stopped F1(1972)it was used until the end of race endurance (1974) .
It was sold to Guy Ligier as part of the F1 activities of Matra and began a new career as Ligier Gitanes during a few years (?).This transporter was some months ago rusting outside with a broken gear box..This Leyland has a sister(brother?) in England as The Tyrell Leyland .
I don't think they had shipped this truck overseas ,i have nor picture about that,nor information.
This model has been made previously by JPS and also Provence Moulage a few years ago.Provence Moulage had a full range of liveries and the Matra international too ,and cerise sur le gateau" a rear door opening ,very difficult to find.
If you have better informations ,correct me.
That is interesting is the fact that two examples of this Leyland was made ,first by Tyrell until late 1969 replaced by a Worldmaster and another one used by Matra from 1970.
But a Mystery exists :was the Matra international the Ex-Tyrell or the future Matra Elf ,as we know that a similar truck has been sold in England as ..Tyrell?Uncle Ken ,please...
Friends:
Here's an historic Freuhauf (I think) race team trailer that still exists in California.
The story is that it was used by Shelby American, Vasek Polak (Porsche 917 Can-Am car, etc.), then Richie Ginther. Period photos by Shelby's photographer, Dave Friedman, seem to confirm the Shelby American aspect, and the faded graphics confirm VP.
Frank
Here's an historic Freuhauf (I think) race team trailer that still exists in California.
The story is that it was used by Shelby American, Vasek Polak (Porsche 917 Can-Am car, etc.), then Richie Ginther. Period photos by Shelby's photographer, Dave Friedman, seem to confirm the Shelby American aspect, and the faded graphics confirm VP.
Frank
Tarpon , please tell us what happened to the Matra International(Tyrrell) Leyland after 1969 ?
The Shelby trailer at the 1967 Trans Am race at Mid Ohio. With Ed Lowther's Cobra in the foreground.
In the background of the Penske Camaro.
I recall that there were doors on the right side of this trailer similar to the one that Frank posted. However, I don't think this is the same trailer. The one in Frank's picture has 15 ribs in the side panel and this one has 24 ribs. (In the model train world that's known as rivit counting!) There is also a different configuration where the floor "kicks up" at the front; angled on this one, square cornered on Frank's. Not to say there wasn't more than one Shelby trailer. While the Shelby trailer was fairly plain looking, it was the biggest thing in the paddock. And the tractor unit has an air conditioner and some mighty air horns on the roof. I have some close up shots of Jerry Titus' Mustang that shows more of the trailer, if I could only find them.
In the background of the Penske Camaro.
I recall that there were doors on the right side of this trailer similar to the one that Frank posted. However, I don't think this is the same trailer. The one in Frank's picture has 15 ribs in the side panel and this one has 24 ribs. (In the model train world that's known as rivit counting!) There is also a different configuration where the floor "kicks up" at the front; angled on this one, square cornered on Frank's. Not to say there wasn't more than one Shelby trailer. While the Shelby trailer was fairly plain looking, it was the biggest thing in the paddock. And the tractor unit has an air conditioner and some mighty air horns on the roof. I have some close up shots of Jerry Titus' Mustang that shows more of the trailer, if I could only find them.
Found this picture while looking for something else :
Tarpon , the ex Tyrrell/Matra International from 68/69 became the Matra transporter when from 70 Tyrrell got his new dark blue Elf sponsored car! I have yet to see or hear any evidence of 2 of these transporters in Matra colours and name. Please enlighten me ! What I also have NOT seen is a picture of the car with white roof!
Jack Brabham of course had a 1 deal with Matra for 1970 and did 4 of the 5 SPWC races they entered as well as 1 of the 2 NONSPWC races entered.
Jack Brabham of course had a 1 deal with Matra for 1970 and did 4 of the 5 SPWC races they entered as well as 1 of the 2 NONSPWC races entered.
This is the current Team Lotus rig. Photo's taken a couple of weeks ago. Notice Clive Chapman in the green jacket:
I have yet to see or hear any evidence of 2 of these transporters in Matra colours and name
You say that ,Bjorn.Not me .Its a question ,not an answer.
But we have no evidence that The matra international became the MatraSimca But we know that ANOTHER original Tyrell was sold to Marsh Plant team with a upper deck.Ask uncle Ken..(post 575)
Unfortunately the image has been deleted,only the google link here :http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:2VzO66yRs9UJ8M:[url]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/Gregor_Marshall/MarshPlantV8s.jpg[/url]
The MARSH must have kept the first tyrell registration .It is the only way to know if it could have been the Matra International driven by uncle KEN.The Matra simca was registered in Paris (75) and after in Abrest(03).
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