it is a Fordson 7V with the early type radiator surround (pre 1945?) I used own a 1947 one but it went to help pay for the first Cooper 500 F3.

Tarpon : I tried to e-mail you through the TNF but it did not work . Have you dropped this possibility ?

rbm : Thanks very much for the info.

Above: the Cooper Car Co transporter from the early 50s.


Above: forward to 1968 & in the background the GLTL transporter.

Whoa! The Golding-Cooper 'Flying Saucer' in the foreground? I have never seen a photograph of the car from this angle before...if this, indeed, is what it is...

DCN

And the Cooper transporter photo is very good too though the Bedford nose is missing. And if no.40 is what it is , it looks quite interesting for that period, I think.

On the Lotus colour photo we might at the lower link just get a piece of a 62 ? And once again from the good older days , directly on the grass!

Post 1449 top photo : on the right a piece of Maranello Cons. Ford Thames and in the background Team Elite Bedford J3 or J4 .

The transporter & car are in the background of this ERA photo!

Is this one from the Gold Cup ?

Spot on; Oulton Park Gold Cup 1968.

Has any of you infos on the Lagonda flatbed truck build by Aston Martin and used in 1963/4 for a min. ??

Thanks SW This was the first time I saw F1 cars in action. Even as a 12yo, I knew it was pretty special to stand on the paddock grass with my shins about six inches away from the nose of a Ferrari 312

This will bring back memories then!



Above - Oulton Park 1968: Derek Bell's Ferrari in the front.

I think you'll find that's the Amon car, Stephen. Bell's debut was in #17 IIRC

It would be appreciated, genotst, if you could credit the photographer of these two photos as being Tim Blackburn for whom I posted them previously on TNF.

Thank you.

Love the pics of the Ferrari and lotus F1s on the grass. These days the only time F1s see grass is when they fall off the track and even then chances are it is artificial turf!

Ooops! Bell's car had the two green stripes on it! Me and my erm .......................

As for having the cars on grass ......



We still do in a lot of the Hillclimb Paddocks. Above is Barbon Manor in 2007.

How do you insert images directly into the posted response-- here?

Doug, when Stephen W first showed me the photo I suggested to him that it is the Golding-Cooper. I only thought I knew because I have a copy of your book Cooper Cars and there is a picture of the same left hand drive car with 'Disco Volante' body carrying race number 40 on page 102...

Apologies to all transporter fans for digressing

I was really only referring to headline F1. Yes we still have grass at some raetracks and defenitly the hillclimb here too

Lakeside, though a couple of features don't look right...

Note the little pit runabout Suzuki for carting tyres and gear around.

Taken by me (eldougo) at Lakeside.

Yes, it's Lakeside... but what's the white in the background heading off towards the Karrussell?

arhh...Barbon Manor Padock - always great fun to try and push start the Cooper with its 14 to 1 compression on the wet grass.

.... but it was downhill!

Any infos on Aston Martins Lagonda transporter ?

just and n° 9 Ickx

Bjorn Can you help the poster #1466? He may have something interesting to show!

Try post 351, page 9 on this link. The tirelessly patient TNFer Ray Bell has given this as a guide on several occasions. So foolproof even I can use it
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...y=&pagenumber=9
Roger Lund

Thanks Roger , you were not faster than me , cause I am a donkey or call me whatever with it, but at least we have an answer for lanciaman.

The saga Matra began with this renault Truck ,a goelette .This picture is from l'auto journal when it was printed on newsstock :the truck was french blue
direct link :http://images2.photomania.com/619933/1/rad93B3C.jpg




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By the way, Tarpon, take a look at http://www.historischesarchiv.bmw.de/1/web...foldergroup=irc , go to 3.20 min (in this link 1.40 min) .... S-YZ 32 in it´s times at BMW. Believe it or not...
Best regards.

Rhegra,many thanks for this picture ,as you can see it is the first Matra Elf contract ,the other one was with BP logo on door sides (for late René Bonnet team bought off by Matra))

The BMW video is interesting ,we can see BMW Mercedes transporter but no proof yet that it was the third Porsche Transporter.
Can you see with precision the plate numbers ?I think it was a "Mun...XXXX" so I am trying to magnify this video to extract some details ,good catch , I really appreciate your obstinacy (correct,?) ,really .
JL

Why did I know, that such an answer would come from you?
Although BMW (department Automobil Historie) doesn´t have any further informations about this transporter, a former team-member gave me the "definitive confirmation" that BMW bought this O 307 from Porsche. 1973 BMW used it in Europe (see http://20832.com/event.php3?event=730429_h&id=2&lang=deu1 - Nürburgring paddock on the right hand side and some others f.e. Silverstone 1973, O 307 is he transporter the big tent is fixed at) of 1973 Silverstone. At those times BMW had two LP 811 transporters too and a Ford Transit, BMW wrote me. 1974/75 this O 307 was in the US at the IMSA races (you remember the foto?). After the US it came back to Europe and was used in the DRM Junior Team and maybe in the Formula 2 team.
Of course the BMW had a Munich license plate (M-EL 1923, the LP 811 had M-DU 812 and M-DU 804 - information from BMW), because in Germany the license plates do not belong to the car but will be changed whenever a car is sold to an new owner registered in another city. Only if the car stays in the same city with a new owner the old license plate will be used again. That´s why S-YZ 32 disappeared... Please take a closer look at all the small details of YZ 32 and compare it with the BMW (Position lights, step on the drivers side, incline of the sides in the back...) The BMW is not built by Schenk for BMW. Schenk didn´t manage to build two or three exactly the same transporters for Porsche (C 9003, M 2187 and YZ 32) and now built an exact copy of YZ 32 for BMW some years later??? See also the lettering at the inside of the left backdoor of YZ 32 and the BMW - exactly the same wording at exactly the same position. M 2187 and C 9003 didn´t have this lettering. The BMW is the former S-YZ 32! The conclusion - there were three O 307 at Porsche at some times in between 1969 to 1972. Sad indeed that there is no foto of all the three together.
The BMW later was used by Helmut Marko and scrapped sometimes in the early 80ies. Because of it´s rust it didn´t pass the TÜV (technical inspection).
But there is one other mystery - why Porsche painted C 9003´s loading space and back in gulf-blue 1974 or later, long after the Gulf-times with JW. In 1973 all the back was painted in Martini-silver, 1976 at Le Mans it was painted in Martini-white (whilst M 2187 was painted at those spots maroon/red from 1969 till the Rothmans-times), but the inside back was blue with a black lettering on silver. See
http://martini.racing.photo.site.voila.fr/1976/lm76_e.htm and http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme42/sujet378260.htm - the photo with the Turbo RSR behind the transporter. Why?

RHEGRA,
It means that Sckenck has built 3 same trucks,two for Porsche,one for BMW,nothing else.We have never seen three Porsche transporters together .There is nothing extraordinary to think that Karosserie Schenk has built several trucks like this.These trucks are nothing else that trucks used by moving companies ,very common.In every transport coompany we had a lot of trucks like this.
In the same idea,Tyrell used a Leyland when managing Team "Matra international" .A few years after,this transporter was sold in England as Tyrell transporter.To day exactly the same truck is rusting near Vichy with Ligier Livery after have been Matra-Simca .Both trucks exist today,one in England,one in France but we have never seen them together.
When you talk about some details ,similar on two trucks ,where is the problem if they have been made by the same company and maybe repaired by the same company?We are not talking about a Ferrari Drogo but about Trucks that were built to move racing cars and I think absolutely normal that BMW bought a transporter in a company that was a reference for that.
Imagine that you have two transporters ,why to sell one if you have to buy another one ?Apparently the BMW is not a wreck .
In transport companies it happens that we have to change a chassis,a frame after an accident ,we put the old box on it and buy a new license with the new number chassis.My idea is that it had been the destiny of one transporter.
The only way to get the true is to ask the germany registration office ,you will know that happened to the Three Licensed porsche Mercedes and where the BMW came from.
Thirty years after,it is difficult to have a definitive confirmation without that;
MANY THANKS ,can you get some scren captures or do you want I did it for our friends?

Rhegra,
I missed your last question:Why blue in 1976 ? It is the Gulf colour painted for J.Wyer a few years ago and Gerard Crombac the manager of Sport auto interviewed John Wyer at the Porsche contract moment who answered that he got from Porsche only one transporter and a small 608 which were returned to Porsche . ,It is possible that it has been painted white inside after 1976 for ESSEX which used both trucks.,the last one 2187 was red inside at Le Mans 76 and has been sold to Brumos .It is also possible that Porsche made a meccano with the two chassis and the three boxes ,to keep one alive ,the 2187 which in that case could have been red inside in his last move in europe with Porsche Motorsport livery and sold blue inside to BRumos or the contrary .As you Know ,it is easy to change the box for another one ,you don't need to change the plates if the chassis remains the same.Three boxes,two chassis,why not?And a chassis destroyed in an accident,fire..?

the last MERCEDES PORSCHE LIVERY (SCREEN CAPTURE) at Le Mans maybe 82.

Dear Friends,
This SCREEN CAPTURE is from 1980 Le Mans paddock.

Tarpon,
Please send me the link to the Video, Thanks in advance!

RHEGRA,
Many thanks for the Video. This video confirm what I say before one year ago(see posts 1239 & 1251).

Best Regards
Nikolay

Tarpon...for a very last time: BMW bought their transporter Mercedes O 307 shown in the BMW movie used from Porsche, not from Schenk - I got the evidence of witnesses. The BMW M-EL 1923 was earlier licensed as S-YZ 32.
After Porsche sold YZ 32 to BMW, they had two other of these O 307 painted both 1973 in Martini-silver livery, later on painted in white Martini-livery...
If Porsche had still two after having sold one and BMW had one bought from Porsche - 2+1=3!
Porsche had these three different transporters since the late 60ies, (already in these years the licenses YZ 32, C-9003 and M2187 are known and captured - why the hell they should use three different licenses if they had only two trucks - to pay three times taxes instead of paying twice??

The 1970/71 Gulf-coloured O 307 was YZ 32. As you write again, JW had only one transporter in Gulf livery,- YZ 32, not two. Maybe right.
The transporter in your last foto is M 2187 used 1980 for the 924 GTR. Underneath the back doors it´s maroon red, like always since 1969. This "Motorsport Porsche" livery (1979 it was "ESSEX Motorsport Porsche" - they just removed the "ESSEX" - because they had no new sponsor in 1980 for the 924 GTR so there was no need for a new livery, they even used this paint scheme in 1981 because the deal with "Jules" was quite short) was not "the last move in Europe" before beeing sold to Brumos as you wrote: both Porsche O 307 were painted 1983 in Rothmans-colours as you can see on the fotos inside the restored Brumos.

The mystery blue : C 9003 was at the exactly same spots silver in 1973 and Gulf-blue (not the darker Essex- or Rothmans-blue) in 1976 - again: five years after JW and three years after beeing silver. And not C 9003 was sold to Brumos, but M 2187.

And again: there are some special details you can tell apart all the three for absolute sure. These details never changed all the years. YZ had it´s details all the years (even in it´s time at BMW and at Marko), C 9003 had it´s very own details and M 2187 had it´s very own all these years.
And you really argue Schenk built 1972 an in every such detail exact copy of YZ 32 built at least three years before and sold it to BMW ???
Your new theory of changing three "boxes" with two chassis is absolute ridiculous I think...
It would very kind if you would provide any proof or only piece of circumstantial evidence for your assertions - the fires, the accidents and the changing of "boxes".
I´m through with this case, bye.
I knew you were right, Nicolay, but I was missing the last pieces of evidence, a closer capture of the BMW transporter and a statement of a BMW teammember. In the meantime I found it...

There was 3 transporters ,two made for Porsche,one for BMW.may be others (was 40 years!)We have never seen 3 Porsche transporters,never and never too in Porsche archiv.But probably Four chassis or more.

http://martini.racing.photo.site.voila.fr/1976/lm76_e.htm you can see in 1976 a transporter blue inside ,gulf blue .It was probably the box of YZ 32 which has always belonged to Porsche ,used by JWA with its original plate.The box was dressed on a new chassis ,9003,probably after an accident .

The fact that BMW at the same period had a same truck has nothing extraordinary ,it is only a truck built by Karosserie Schenk .As you can see it is in very good shape with not red or blue inside ;it was just coming new from Schenk as I think that a company like BMW has enough money to buy something new. The chassis and face were provided to Sckenk by Mercedes as unit to make bus or car transporter ,maybe horse transporter .
Is there a german among us who can accede to the registration service ?


,maybe you know ,but..You can use a free plugin "flasgot" to save all videos ,use VLC to watch and capture what you want .

Bjorn, ,something here that could be what you want::http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/fl...sporter-p10.jpg

911carreraRSR:video is personal

Here are a few transporter pix that I have been intending to post for some time, but have only just now got around to actually doing it... You guys know more about these things than I do, although I recall seeing most of them, and working/riding in some...


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All photos from: The GP Library/Denis Jenkinson Collection

Was the elegant MkVII Jaguar estate Mike Anthony's?
Or was it something else unlikely that he used?

Thanks Doug! ………… Photo’s 2 and 4 really take the biscuit, do you have any more like these?

And one from the 1974 International Trophy,Silverstone.
Please identify all concerned - Mr Peterson & was it Barbro?

Barbro, after Ronnies demise I beleive her and Wattie teamed up together,I remember the motorhome because I tried to purchase it sometime later,wonder where it is now(the motorhome not Wattie)?

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All photos from: The GP Library/Denis Jenkinson Collection

These I my first reactions :

1. By the dirt it looks like Targa Florio, could be 58

2. Must be Jack Findlays MC transporter.

3. Just the other day found an Austrian site with a nice looking guy at Zeltweg F1 race in 61 , did not recognize the guy with his blond coloured bobbyhair , could be Bob Wallace , and their was a bit of this Ford 400E Camoradi F1 team transporter (plus a trailer).

4. Looks to be some italian with the Trilex wheels about the middle 50's.

5. The original Scarab transporter from 1960 , a Bartoletti (642) Fiat based.

6. Ford D600/800

7. Mercedes Benz L319 , Porsche had VW's, Opel Blitz and this.

8. Another Ford D600/800

9. The Penske F1 team Bedford KM , a bigger one than the normal TK.

10.The BRM Seddon before it went blue

11. Cooper Guy for their last 3 years in F1

12. AEC Swift "H.M.S.Hethel" from 67 , then GLTL coloured , then JPS and finally Texaco white for F2 team. Then sold to Team Alexis (white/green/gold) and now fully restored in GLTL colours.

12B. Ford Thames , Strachan build.Some had a higher roof , used also by Ian Walker , Honda/Surtees , Paul Hawkins etc.

The final : David Bridges (later Red Rose?) was shown also in a Ford brochure

Corrections welcome.

Many thanks Doug! Very exciting!

'And one from the 1974 International Trophy,Silverstone. Please identify all concerned - Mr Peterson & was it Barbro?'
eh?? They both look Japanese to me!!

Does'nt look like Ronnie to me , too dark and too long hair ? The Japanese I agree on.

I remember him with a stretched Standard Vanguard akin to the Mercedes hi-speed transporter.
That is a nice Zephyr/Zodiac Abbotts of Farnham estate behind the Jaguar. I had a 375 Consul version in 1969/1970, marvellous old barge, blue over blue
Bedford KM would have had the 466 engine as opp to the usual 300 or 330, or Leyland 400/01, fitted to the TK, to support the higher weight rating, and ten stud wheels.
Bjorn, the Ford GT shots probably tie in with the rear view of that one from the le Mans paddock photo.
Before they went upmarket, I recall the Bridges running 2 single seaters on a double-decked trailer behind a large car in 62/64.
Roger Lund

Thanks, Roger
I was in doubt even as I posted it ;)
ISTR Tony Gaze had some sort of odd conversion about the same time - maybe that was the Jaguar?