To madgnappo

Bruno,


give me a mail adress in my email box ;I ll send you what I have about Aston transporter,unfortunately tthey are copyright

JL

.....and if that is not enough , I might help out too !

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer - BRM & Rover-BRM

Dear All,

This Thread are GREAT!!!

I'm a car model collector and know I assemble diorama about Porsche Martini team with Renntransporter (model scale 1:43) from Targa Florio 1973, but I can't find anywhere photos of Porsche Carrera RSR's inside or alongside Race Transporter(Renntransporter) as well as and rear view of Porsche Carrera RSR #107 driven by Baron Pucci.

I would be grateful if you would kindly send me some pictures of rear view of Porsche Carrera RSR #107 if you have as well as and P (I will use only for me these pictures).

I would be grateful if you would kindly send me some scanned pictures from the book "TRANSPORTER" from Matthias BRAUN & Alexander STORZ (Motor Buch Verlag) to my E-mail:

citroenloeb@abv.bg

I have only one picture - winner Porsche Carrera RSR with trophy from Targa Florio, but this picture was taken in Germany at Porsche Test Truck, not at Sicilia.

I look forward to receiving your reply, and many thanks in advance.

With Best Regards from Bulgaria,
Nikolay Karazlatev

Nikolay, welcome to the Forum, you are among friends
Roger Lund

are there any clear pics around showing the special Land Rover used to haul the Rover-BRM? I've found references to a 2 ton L-R prototype that was used as the basis for it, but not many good pics.

thanks, Rick

To make the Rover-BRM "case" a bit clearer , to me there are 4 parts :

1 . 1963 LM April trials , not sure if they were there / 2. 1963 LM 24h race , Car brought over on what you see , supported by the Commer workshop ,/ 3 . 1965 LM april trial with new car , same outfit (except workshop ?) / 4. 1965 LM 24h race , new special COE Landrover with "lowering" back end ! Support ?

I have not seen much better pictures than this , and only 4 different in total !

PS. In "Motor Racing" by Carter still a great book , you can see a from "the back" pic showing not much else than the 63 model being rolled off , thus proving the "canvassed" trailer .

The picture here then is the 2nd I have seen now showing a Landrover "tractor" !

3rd I know of was from Autosport in 65 , thumbnail showing the new car on the trailer but with the canvas pulled aside !

4th picture I know of is from a Rover book showing the special one mentioned above. See on the below thread I think.
Oh and if a lot of news should come out it might be better to put it on this thread : Rover-BRM Le Mans 1963 and '65

Dear Tarpon, I missed your comments around no.1239 where the different footsteps and the different backside of YZ 32 compared to C 9003 und M 2187 were clearly proofen.
But why the BMW is "a lot lower"? If you compare the relation between the drivers window and the constrution above, it´s exactly the same with YZ 32 and the BMW (and the other Porsche-Mercedes).
Where are the "many other" Porsche-like transporters built by Schenck? -please show me a photo of such a transporter. There´s another not proof but circumstantial evidence that the BMW could be YZ 32: take a closer look at the positions lights up above the drivers cabin. On M 2187 it´s on a 4/5 position all over the years and the different liveries, on C 9003 ist on 1/2 position all the years and on YZ 32 it´s on a 2/3 position of the height ot the construction above the drivers cabin on all my fotos. Beside the BMW has exactly the same footstep as YZ 32 it has its position light exactly at the same height. But I know - the accident! They changed the position lights, the doorstep and the back to change YZ 32 in C 9003 ?! And the BMW-transporter which shows in 1973, 1975 and 1980 (if the BMW is the former Marko) exactly the same signs as YZ 32 is a completely other car than YZ 32 which disappeared right at those times the BMW appeared - strange coincidence. Please remember too that it was (and is) quite impossible to change a license plate on a car in Germany if the car stays in the same city where it´s licensed. So why S-YZ 32 should have changed in S-C 9003?
Against your Le Mans logistic argument: in 1983 only M 2187 (as Rothmans) amongst other Porsche-transporters was in Le Mans, while C 9003 (in Rothmans livery too) stayed whereever or was used to transport spareparts in the meantime from Stuttgart to Le Mans? Who says that beneath the Gulf- and the burgundy Porsche seen together in the paddocks of Le Mans and Österreich at the same time a third transporter was used to carry parts from Stuttgart to Wyer, to the reacetrack, to testtracks, or even was used by the factory to carry prototypes or even "normal" cars...? That only two of them were seen together is not an argument against a third one driving around somewhere else in the years between 1969 and 1972 (at the beginning of 1973 the BMW was seen first).
I have no proof that there were three of these Porsche transporters at the same time (1969 to 1972), but there are a lot of circumstantial evidences for the theory that YZ 32 in the late 1972 or the beginning of 1973 was sold by Porsche to BMW and C 9003 and M 2187 stayed at Porsche till the mid 80ies.
It would be great if you could give me (us) any proof or evidence for your opinion that YZ 32 changed in C 9003 (what year) after an accident. I think it´s your turn...
Best regards, Christian

to Nicolay:


take a look at this amazing thread:
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme40/sujet378358.htm
60 Pages about the Targa - absolutely fascinating stuff...

RHEGRA?
In the whole history of Porsche ,we have never seen 3 mercedes transporters together . Never:why do you want a third one exists ? An accident probably ...a new chassis like in every moving company.
This transporter is not something extraordinary ,only a bus frame with an integrated luton body like thousands of items and like many other race transporters.
The fact that one piece look similar to an other one like a footstep shows only that this truck has been(maybe) made by the same company with the same blueprint .Nothing extraordinay that something you could find iin thousand of transport companies . It is possible that the"BMW" you show was not A 317 but another Mercedes or something else ,DAF,Scania etc ...
The ONLY proof is to show,Rhegra,the 3 Mercedes together nothing else...Good luck.

Yes, this

is a DAF or a Scania or something else...
Let´s resume: you have your opinion, I have another and some arguments for it, I don´t want to convert you, and - I´m not willing to discuss on a level where arguments do not play any role. So you think, what you want and I think what I want, okay? And the world is a disk...,
I join olddude...

rhegra ,
please credit your pictures or put the link (forum auto ,...) it is something important for who give us the picture
Regards
JL

Old classic cars ,

I have some scren captures from a commercial film (credit to Dunlop) .I was asking me for a long time what type of truck it was.A Land rover?
First screen capture :click the one


It Had an hydraulic lift at the rear very impressive .
The team was established near Le Lude ,35 kms from Le Mans .

JL

yes , ita a land rover baed unit, there are photos of it in a book on land rovers, the model type escapes me at present.

these pictures are from a Dunlop promotional ,taken at Le Mans site .

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JL

Wish I could see those pictures Tarpon !

bjorn
iT HAPPENS SOME TIMES when you upload .JUST COPY THE LINK IN YOUR BROWSER ET THE IMAGE WILL APPEAR .

JL

Sorry... but they don't

YEAE! I am not allways a none on PCs!

bjorn ,you have not the magic hand :you stay in front of your PC and wait ,wait.You can make a wish too...
Unfortunately the server is very slow .I 'll try to upload again. Probably the rarity of these pictures caused some damage to the server.We must be optimist.
jl

another one:

and last

Tarpon , thank you very much for those pictures !

Looks like the Land Rover is a forward control model, but with drive only to the front axle, to make a traction head out of a curtailed chassis to which variations of body could be fitted with the dead rear axle, hence the very wide rear track. we had the same thing available with the little Mercedes 206/307 in the 1970s. They arrived with a simple frame bolted at the rear of the cab/front axle to prevent the single axle cab unit falling over.
Roger Lund.

Right Roger , and the small MBs was in fact newer versions of first Tempo Matador , and then Hanomag , later Hanomag Henschel . The Deutsche Bundespost had many of the Matadors , they even sold some to the Danish Post wich were installed 30 kms from were I live , at a big store , These special build-up cars could go and deliver as well as pick up "big" containers for post and packages .

The LandRover is build around a close to that prinipal , COE, FWD, No through going back axle , hydraylic lifting/lowering device .

Reading about this interesting "Alien" at first , made me think the cabin was from a "COE" Land Rover of which they made a good part , also for military and even the Danish FALCK rescue had some build up as a wrecker (4wd of course) . When I saw my first sideviewpicture , it sort of confirmed my thoughts , but these new pictures here , clearly show the cabin is widened too ! So to me it is more a truck/lorry than a "Jeep" !

the Land Rover kneeling transporter built to carry the BRM/Rover gas turbine still exists, I last saw it in storage at Gaydon a few years back.

So take a day off and hurry to Gaydon to get some pictures of it ! Please !

PS. Dont forget a tape measure !

"So take a day off and hurry"


......before TATA drops everyting to its India headquarters.....

JL

Hi Tarpon , what does JL stand for ? Jaguar and Landrover (made in India ?)

[QUOTE]Re: Post#1254
...thanks a lot for your work, Nikolay -great. If you take a closer look, you can also see a light-(Gulf?-)blue part of the back door. And if YZ 32 was the BMW (of 1973..., later given to Marko and a former Gulf, seen in "French kiss..."), there were definetely two Gulfs, see the light blue interior of S - C 9003 (http://martini.racing.photo.site.vo...1976/lm76_e.htm).
Next question: had both Gulfs the same paint scheme? Or was one orange-blue-orange painted and the other blue-orange-blue like the Wyer AEZ? Why should the cost-oriented Porsche-people should paint the whole interior of C 9003 in blue, if only the smaller middle-part outside was blue? Any idea?
Thanks a lot, Christian


Dear Christian,

This picture(http://martini.racing.photo.site.vo...1976/lm76_e.htm) was taken during 1976 Le Mans. Yes the Porsche Renntransporter with license-plate “S-C 9003" was blue painted behind the backdoors and loading space. But this BLUE color was painted after 24.03.1974. Please see my photo evidence:
I find out this picture from Le Mans practice /Test weekend at 24.03.1974 of the same “S-C 9003" Porsche Renntransporter(http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme...t376819-700.htm).

I have not idea why cost-oriented Porsche-people were painted the whole interior in blue. Maybe this became when Porsche repainted two Renntransporters from silver to white, or maybe not.

Does anyone have any pictures of JW’s Transporters during 1975 Le Mans race? I have other supposition concerning this blue interior: “Porsche lend again its Renntransporters to JWAE for 1975 season”.


By the way I need some pictures of the Porsche Carrera RSR inside or alongside RennTransporter from 1973 season. If is possible to send me the biggest photo from post #1361.

With Best Regards from Bulgaria,
Nikolay Karazlatev

Dear Christian,

Do you see this picture(http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/d...3090SSTT-15.jpg) was taken at Tourist Trophy - Silverstone September 1973.

This is THE EVIDENCE that THERE WAS 3 MB-Porsche Renntransporters.


Tarpon,
what do you think?


By the way I need some pictures of the Porsche Carrera RSR inside or alongside RennTransporter from 1973 season. If is possible to send me the biggest photo from post #1361.

With Best Regards from Bulgaria,
Nikolay Karazlatev

I'm not sure if it's any help. Another picture from the 73 Silverstone TT.

No evidence and if you continue to wiew the album you can see that the truck had nothing to see with a Mercedes/porsche .

http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/d...3090SSTT-25.jpg

Its a long way ....
JL

...was just s..

Funny you compare apples with bananas (or not!) Did you know the greatest conjurer(magician) in the animal is the horse ? In Denmark when they eat apples , out comes pears , in Germany its the opposite , wonder how it is elsewheere ? Oh yes in the ende , I know , its just shit ! r

And if any of you needs the Brabham Bedford Val transporter , Skt. Petersburg has just released their 1st of 100 models in 1:43 ! It just looks great !

Bjorn - have you seen the Ecurie Ecosse transporter model that's out? http://www.ecurieecosse.com/news_details.asp?newsID=4

Yes thanks , I saw it on the net , but also the new EE site ! There are some marvelous models to get nowadays , and added some of the racecars to get..................

For Bjorn,











Regards,

Henk A. Hazelaar

nice! But where is it now?

is it with Simon Hadfield?

Edward:

Last I heard too it was with Simon.

Two for old times sake.





David

David:

Thank you, the overhead shot is which team/car?

Beautifull pictures . The above of course being John Willment ,financial backer to the J.W.A.E and having his own official Ford Racing Division. Later from 64 his cars turned red (mostly) and had a sign at times , a motto : RACE PROVED BY WILLMENT (Cobras etc.) The transporter was seen all over Europe and to me it is a Commer which however would be rather odd , Willment being connected to Ford, (if not , then a spec.build Ford )! On this occation of course is his Brabham BRM F1 car.

It has been mentioned earlier that the St Petersburg Tram Collection has released the new Bedford Val Brabham Transporter. I have an order with SPTC and expect delivery in 3 weeks. If anyone is interested in one of these fantasic 1/43rd models please let me know.



1966 Bedford VAL14/Plaxton VAL Panorama Brabham Team Transporter.


The next release is of the Mercedes 2 car transporter, this will be ready soon.


1954 Mercedes-Benz O3500 Two-Car Racing Transporter.

I have seen this truck on ebay but I regret that we have only one picture for a so high cost item.

JL

The Willment transporter is a Ford. Its a Thames Trader, the nose of the vehicle is just viewable through the windscreen. I have images of some of Willment's construction vehicles and plant but unfortunately none of this transporter.

I will get in touch with Leonid from SPTC and ask for more photos..

Hi JL
I have added 3 more Brabham Transporter pics to my site-

http://www.mmcars.info/sptc.html