No guesses to the Castellotti picture above ? Well none from me either !

Here I try another , working on the years 1934-41 and 1946-53 for the time being : My few pics of Mercedes Benz transporters in the 34-41(39) period shows them in b/w to be dark coloured . Knowing MB from 55 being blue I had to asume the same in old days to get myself a picture in "colour".Any confirmation on the blue colour ?

Bjorn ,it is difficult to help you without the pictures .It could be easier if you upload them

JL

...maybe this one:

or that?

...don´t know, where I found them, sorry.

Both rhegras fine pictures are from 1955 ,,the above from a GP the below from LeMans.Another question: I have a picture of 2 removal vans , the one to see is rhegras above , the one behind on my pic is perhaps the one seen on rhegras LM picture being a workshop . The rest on the LM picture is trucks and drawbar trailers as well as the "flunder" All blue !

Still leaves a confirmation of prewar colours . And What did they use in 1952 for transports , trucks(tilted)?

I didnt realize my chances for getting a confirmation from Germany to be big , but I just got it : The prewar colours of transporters were definitely BLUE !

Sometimes it pays of to take a chance , not often but still..........I was lucky and "hit" the right man at DB , just confirming today that MB delivered 3 bustype O3500 chassis for their 1954/55 transporters returned to the Racing Team as complete with build up from Lueg Fahrzeug werke in june 54. 2 transporters (2 cars each) and a workshopcar !

Wish I could answer all my questions (and yours)that (relative) easy !

Guess you may have already seen this here:

http://www.lueg.de/lueg/index.htm

Thanks ; another , but no exactly this site, did not find some historics though , but perhaps worth a mail.


Have a look at 8w s front page under Whats cooking ? Could be interesting !

And now please have a look again...

http://8w.forix.com/transporter-intro.html

With lots more to come!

Thanks, Bjørn, for turning this epic thread into an accessible dossier.

Bjorn, you are a star

Roger

He sure is ....Thanks

Thanks guys , a special thanks to Mattijs ! But you all have been an inspiration with your willingness to share. Great.!

I shall try my best to "pay-back" !

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Slightly off topic but still of interest, the Nov- Dec Issue of Vintage RoadScene (98) has five pages on the Bedford VAL, including the Brabham transporter. Also in another article is a photo of an Austin K8 van used by a sidecar racing team in the early fifties. If you cannot find a copy at your local news agent email

admin@transpenninepublishing.co.uk

Photo copyright: The GP Library

DCN

Unfortuanately, the photo links no longer work, but here is some older information on the Pegaso transporter..

Here is an excellent article, translated by Google from the original Spanish on the Pegaso "Codfish" Transporter:



THE PEGASO CODFISH, "SAN BERNARDO OF THE PEGASINES"


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When in October of 1951, the direction of ENASA decided to present/display in 38º Hall the Automobile of Paris the "fast Tourism" the Pegaso Z-102, those prototypes could not imagine, that, were going away to turn with the passage of the years, coveted collector pieces.


The Spain of principles of years 50, was not the best scene for the creation of an automobile of these characteristics, in fact the objective of the ENASA-Pegaso, never was the one to make a sport tourism of high benefits, the own Ricart later recognized years in one of its last interviews. Given the lack of qualified workers, so demanded by the new national industry, it was necessary to start off of zero, and to form them within the same company. Because the creation of an enlisted specialists training school was a long and delicate process, the best solution was the one to try to more good construct "to something" that needed very many skilled labor, and nothing, than to embark in the adventure to construct a sport car of highest benefits, where to be able to form apprentices and specialistic workers, with vocation of craftsmen.


That car, born like a talent exercise, soon was seen by the pro-Franco regime like a propagandistic element really effective, able throughout the world to spread and to catapult the name of Spain, thus demonstrating, the technological capacity of the appeared again national industry.


So many were the exigencies towards the equipment of Ricart, that seen rather like a proving stand for they themselves, the Z-102, began to compete in multitude of automobile events thanks to which, was their right to be the Pegaso Codfish.


Throughout 1952, company been in Zaragoza, specialized in the construction of ferrioviario material was in charge to its construction, to "Carde and Escoriaza". For it, a chassis of bus, the Z-401 model was provided to them, to which the gasoline had settled him motor the Pegaso Iii-g, that offered 145 c.v. of maximum power, connection to a box of four relations, taking reducing in the cane of the direction, being therefore a total of eight relations towards ahead and two reverse gear. After some modification, like the extension of the front projection, practically nonexistent in the 401 normal, float as van or emergency service truck but with avanzadísimo design of own ENASA, although is one that aims at influences of the Italian Lancia. The nose completely cleared emphasizes its well-taken care of aerodynamics when having and to be conceived like a unit, not distinguishing a separated cabin of the box of load. Like characteristic element, which he was in addition the one that gave its name him, it is possible to emphasize the presence in both lateral ones of his body, of individual vents similar to fish gills, that together with the nose, with inferior entrance, caused that it was baptized to him like "Codfish". A wide corrugated plate strip crossed it in all its length, being painted in metalized color. To also emphasize its interior, since the conduction position was placed On guard central, on the motor, being separated of the found cargo compartment that at a lower level, by a small door. After the conductor, coffers were arranged to tools, as well as a washbasin for the cleanliness of the mechanics. In the interior of the van, was the space reserved for the cars, two in principle, although he was almost always one the one that traveled in the interior, taking the other, or the others in the Pegaso Mofletes of the own factory. The length overall of the vehicle was of eleven meters, which together with the three the two meters and means of height and width of and average, made it really spectacular for the time, dice their breaker image in relation to the automobile park that circulated around the Spain of that then.


This truck has been object of the curiosity of many of the fans to the industrialists


veterans, since he does not know himself if a unit made so single or were two those that were ordered by ENASA. In the first version he appears painted in a clear tonality, with a frontal of you lick horizontals, and central division, being photographed with the provisional matriculation B-104.527, corresponding to the first semester of 1953. Given the experimental character of the motor of gasoline, and mainly due to its high consumption, this one c.v. is replaced the following year by 140 the diesel engine of, that mounted the Mofletes. One takes advantage of in addition to alter its frontal, staying as definitive, with a great frontal cross, that extends framing the lights, and it is painted in addition in two tonalities to blue, being celestial the superior part, and of blue a very dark inferior one, separated both, by a white line, labeling in great characters the name "the Pegaso" in both lateral ones of the body. The back part was closed with two inner doors of the same height that the vehicle, that presented/displayed two peculiar circular windows type "ox eye", also taking labeled the name of the mark.


This second version appears with the provisional matriculation B-104.841, of the first semester of 1954, although it is peculiarly not discharged from the hospital until 1957, being definitively registered with the B-145.045. Since then the history of the Codfish ran compares to the one of Z-102 the official tourism of factory, being its emergency service truck in the competitions to which they went, crossing good part of the European continent, being witness of the triumphs obtained by them.



Once the direction of ENASA, decides to leave the production of cars exclusively, being centered in the construction of industrial vehicles, and already disappeared the department of official competition of factory; the Codfish is yielded to diverse runners of the time and automobile events like attendance vehicle.


From here, history does confused then certain rumors aim at that, after to remain give inn in the environs of factory of Sagrera, was sold to company of changes that used it until the end of its days, although also fits possibility that it was sold to a feriante, that used it later to keep it in a ship from its property and being found there in the middle of the 90, where was bought and apparently it would be being been recovering at the moment in the zone of Catalonia. What if is safe it is that one of its last users was the runner Jorge de Bagatrionne, who had it in his equipment at the end of years 60, taking it even to competitions celebrated in the United Kingdom. According to the information available in traffic, it was terminated by taking apart in 1970, but all the fans to the veteran industrialists, we know that to leave whole number a taking apart and to live a new life, still it is possible.


Juan Steppe



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Early version (?) :

http://hspegaso.en.eresmas.com/BacalaoBlancWEB.jpg



Here is a cockpit photo:


http://hspegaso.en.eresmas.com/BacinterWEB.jpg


and here is a front end shot:

http://hspegaso.en.eresmas.com/Bac1frontWEB.jpg

Interesting - the regular works Porsche trailer, that must have carried the White Martini liveried 917K (Ch.#030) with the prototype ABS brakes. Dechent's Martini team must have finished before the Austrian event...also the last race win for Pedro

Thanks Doug , apart from ,its a great shot, it also shows the best view yet seen be me ,of the JWAE Gulf Mercedes transporter with the opposite colours!

Those where the days when you could get easy access to pits by jumping over the chainwire fence.
I do like the VWpickup in Coke colours.

I think the light blue transporter wasn't a Merc, Bjorn
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Thats why I said : "The Mercedes in the opposite colours "! The light blue with the orange stripe is JWAEs AEC Regal VI lhd coach. The Orange to the fore with broad light blue stripe is the Merc, like the dark red in front ! There is still no fully evidence if 2 OR 3 of this "bus" type was build for Porsche AFAIK !
PS The AEC is also on post 587 and 595!

I cannot remember if anyone has posted this for me in the past, and I came across it earlier.
IIRC, Julian Mazjub's Bentley transporter at VSCC Silverstone in the 1990s


Roger Lund.

That Bently is Sooo English LOVE it.are yousure it,s Silverstone it look,s like Donnington.

...two of the Auto Union Transporters crossing the Alps:


Sorry for the poor quality, taken from an old video...

...and the Rothmans Porsche-Team on it´s way to Le Mans


(from an old video too...)

Donington it is, no excuses.

RL

Please can you tell us the exact year?

... in the documentaion "Die Silberpfeile aus Zwickau" (Anyfilm für Audi AG 1992) just after the Schauinsland-race 1937 on it´s way to Pescara...

Tanks a lot

thks to Mr. Nye for posting the pic of the Porsche/Wyer Transporter in Austria!
the family united... something I was looking for since years...

Bjorn's stardom is extending into another addition to his transporter dossier at 8W, this time in the form of a picture book which will probably/hopefully grow bigger over the coming months/years:

http://8w.forix.com/transporter-picturebook.html

These pictures have, of course, not been taken in period, but ten days ago at Jochpass hillclimb in southern Germany. It is a former moving truck now converted to transport two Rally NCPs, one Amilcar and the Sima Violet - as seen on on shot.

Heres another Auto Union Transporter photo.

If you have a look at the "those were the days...Crystal Palace" book by S.S.Collins there are loads of paddock shots of cars with transporters from the '60s and '70s. I don't know what the copyright rules are but there are some brilliant pictures.

Martini F2 team - Silverstone 1977

Post 1233 : WRONG BOOK ! Not loaded with paddock/transporter shots!

Re. post 1234 by Alan Cox.. Is that a converted container on a flatbed trailer?

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Lec Bedford TK Brands 05:03:72

© Rebocar Automotive Productions/De Boer

Shot at the "Rennsport Reunion III" at Daytona today. And yes, the tractor is a Porsche, too!

On behalf of Bjørn
(who has this letter from Nikolay Karazlatev ..)

I think there were indeed three different Mercedes chassis/Porsche transporters.
Please see the attached photos – with circle I made my remarks:


This is a transporter with license-plate “S-YZ 32" with almost square foot-step under driver door and between rear tyre and the rear there was two line(with angle);


This is a transporter with license-plate “S-M 2187" with rounded foot-step - far away from the door;


This is a transporter with license-plate “S-C 9003" with rounded foot-step - far away from the door;


These are two transporters with license-plates “S-M 2187" & “S-C 9003" with one line between rear tyre and the rear

With best regards,
Nikolay Karazlatev

...thanks for your great detective-work, Nicolay. This should be the proof of three existing Porsche-Transporters. Now let´s find a left-hand foto of the 1973 BMW-Transporter and Marko´s 1980, I´m convinced it has a square foot-step...
And a foto of the two Mercedes-Gulfs would be absolute great...
Best regards, Christian

Thanks to all for their latest good pictures and infos !

Christian , I was hoping for a quick reply , else I would have mailed you. My thanks Rob and Nikolay also !

These Porsche/Mercedes transporters has taking some writing , but patience pays off!.

If I only could find the like on Bartolettis transporters !

Is there anyone out there who happens to have Autoweek , January 2002 ? There is an article "One lucky truck" I would like ! Its about Fiat Bartoletti 1957 in Ferrari colours .

hi,i am wondering if any one out there can help me,i am a big motorsport fan and work in haulage,a class one holder, a mate of mine also in the same line of work has a few old volvo trucks that he has restored,one of them being a f10 globetrotter,we think this truck was new to lotus jps in the early eighties,and then tollbar racing,the reg is b976 mhn,i'll get a recent photo up (when i suss how to lol!),any information or old photos would be greatly appreciated,cheers.

sorry ment to post this in transporters

Give me a day or two to find it as I have shots of the Volvo. Otherwise Bjorn can supply it as he has a copy of my all transporter photos/archives
Roger Lund.

Sorry, different reg no here, B 801 SNG, taken at F1 tyre testing pre-British GP in the early '90s at Silverstone

Roger Lund.

thank you, as said will soon post some pics of the truck as it is now,and when it was with tollbar racing

Camel Team Lotus Honda in 1987 had yellow one , cannot see the reg.no. Perhaps the same as the green one ? There are a couple of Lotus specialist here , perhaps they can help?

http://aolpictures.aol.co.uk/ap/viewHoo.do...color=%23000000

hi not sure if this will work,but the link should lead to the truck photos

the volvo f10 globetrotter and volvo f 88 are both in fully restored and working condition,
and the f10 is also seen when it was with tollbar racing

October 2007 issue of The Automobile, there's an interesting photo showing an MG K3 belonging to a Jock Manby-Colegrave, with a '30s support van (as opposed to a transporter as such) parked behind, liveried as "Squire Motors Ltd, Henley on Thames, Racing Service Van".

Rick