F1 fans’ world championship
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/f1-f...onship-results/

How would the world championship table look if the fans voted for who they thought had performed best? We have the answer.

After a fantastic response, with 500 fans from around the world submitting complete forms this week, here are the conclusions of the JA on F1 Fans’ World Championship of 2011. We asked you to look past the machinery and provide us with your Top 10 drivers of 2011, based on who did the best job with the equipment they had.

Each reader listed their Top 10 and we gave them points as in a Grand Prix (25 for 1st, 18 for 2nd, 15 for 3rd etc.) adding all the results together to produce a final table.

We paid attention to your discussions throughout the week about some fans being too partisan. To try to keep this exercise as real as possible, we decided to discount only votes that were overly partisan. So, the following anomalies were removed from the overall results, to avoid skewing the collective opinion:

• Those that omitted Vettel, Button or Alonso from the Top 10 entirely
• Those that placed Schumacher, Perez or Rosberg as number one (this seemed too far-fetched)
• Those that placed Webber above Vettel, or Hamilton above Button



Also on the full article-
James Allen ANALYSIS on: Button vs Alonso/Kovalainen and Rosberg stand out/The Fans’ Voice

Poor old Karthikeyan, equalled Liuzzi in the HRT and beat Ricciardo and fans think he was rubbish and Ricciardo amazing

Alonso/Button virtually equal.

Kovalainen's "18 places above his table standings" LOL. Little hobbit deserves it though.

I did not pay enough attention the the bottom of the grid.
What did Kovaleinen do that was so impressive?

He qualified greatly [beating trully in some 15-4 or something] passed Q1 like no one else of the "new" teams, and fought many times in races against Williams and Toro Rosso. His best season.

How can Senna be above Heidfeld and Petrov? James Allen discounted some of the partisan votes on his site, but this is a clear case of bias and partisanship.

Interesting that the greatest passes of the year thread is going and many great passes were people going past Alonso and yet ...

And yet Trulli still beat him in the standings. If this is based on machinery its still kinda off... Sutil had the same as Di Resta and placed way higher than him yet his is below him?..Same for Kobayashi.

The diference is that Trulli got a 12 place and Heikki a 13 place. Overall though Kova did a lot better and their average finish positions favours the finn.

Plus he got to Q2 three times and Trulli zero. Qualy was 16-2 to Kovalainen BTW.

Looks pretty reasonable to me, though Di Resta could only really be placed in front of Sutil if you were a) remembering he's a rookie, or b) listening to the BBC too much. Overall it was pretty close but Sutil had the edge. I'd also put MS up a bit as Sundays are more important than Saturdays.

again, DiResta/sutil is all switched up, sutil outperformed him by a mile, even considering that diresta is a rookie this is not acceptable.
The same reason why he doesnt seem to get the recognition by fans is the same reason for not finding a drive.

Perez/Kobayashi is also switched up, probably because of kobayashis rather unspectacular season.

For starters i would have Lewis and Heikki the other way round, strange how driving in a back of the grid car can suddenly make him a better driver than somebody who totally dominated him when they were teammates. Sutil/di Resta is obviously based on first impressions in the second half of the season Sutil was consistently coming out on top and finished up with more points. As for Alguersuari he's been dropped from the Red Bull junior team whilst Webber continue to drive for the senior team, so many people seem to know more about the Red Bull drivers than Red Bull themselves. Schumacher seems to be placed a bit lower than what i thought, maybe a consequence of his bad qualifying, he's race pace was very similar to Rosbergs.

I am afraid strange is that you didn't read the question answered. A drive can be better than another and still have an year worse than the lesser driver.

Good Poll

Vettel in a class of his own as was to be expected.
Then Alonso and Button with nothing between them.
Then Rosberg and Hamilton (with Kova the odd man out), Rosberg for beating Schumacher and Lewis who still managed 3 wins.
Midfield group Di Resta upto Schumacher seems OK, not much between them.
Deserbedly low Massa and Barrichello while I think Ricciardo is tii highly placed.

All in all a good poll and refreshing to see that they flushed the fanboys and the clueless from the results.

Quite. It's not really rocket science.

Massa still too high.

Can you print a copy, please? Link is not working for me.

It's just a stupid popularity contest, completely meaningless really. Don't know why the **** Kov is up there. Vettel is up there because even the stupidest of F1 fans have to understand how he decimated F1 this year.

Actually in the races especially in the first half of the season Trulli often had the upper hand. Unfortunately he had all the mechanical bad luck, while everything went right for Kovalainen. The Finn did a good job, sure, but the hype has gone far too far now.

Massa, Webber and Di Resta are far too high. Karthikeyan and Buemi are far too low. Really it's just a 'who has more fans' poll.

I can understand that they didnt allow lists that put Webber ahead of Vettel, but banning lists that put Hamilton over Button is quite ridicoulous. Their points difference was roughly the same as Nico vs MS, but they allow MS to be ranked higher than Nico. It makes no difference to me, but i think its retarded.

To be fair I think it's rather better than that; flawed, certainly, but not many real aborrations.

Guess they just wanted to flush out the fanboys and really anyone who believes Webber had a better season than Vettel or who thinks Hamilton performed better than Button is just that, a fanboy.
It's not the amount of points between driver that counts, it's the unrealistic and indefensibly of putting one over the other (in certain cases) or for example Schumacher at #1 that is the mark of a fanboy.

Pretty fair poll, to me. I agree with the order of the Top 6. I question Glock being placed lower than D'Ambrosio, Petrov being too low and diResta and Senna a bit high, but that's what makes these polls such conversation starters. Heidfeld should also be a bit higher, IMO. All credit to James to try and weed out the fan boys.

The list is wothless if such censorship has been made.
If Allen want's the opinion of the fans than he should respect it.
He should place his own list and end off.

Guess your list was excluded then.

I wonder if he weeded out the haters, too ?

Such people can also have significant influence on a poll.

Yet the 7th best driver of 2011 doesn't have a seat and the teammate who he mopped the floor with does and is ranked a spot higher.
As doesn't the 9th best driver of 2011,and Kova is the best new thing.

He just tried to institute some ground rules to his polling. It's hardly scientific in any event, but he was looking to control for obvious bias. Plenty of people trying to Freep internet polls with their choices is a pretty common thing these days, as is evident on polls conducted on this very site.

It about the principle
either there is a freedom of opinion. or even not
But to exclude opinions wich don't suit in the agenda.
It's cencorship, and against the democratic spirit.
IMO, the vast majority would have voted like the poll shows.
But if there are some opinions excluded it taints the whole thing, and it became worthless.
It's a shame.

I think "Obvious" haters are people who would have placed Webber (or pretty much ANY Driver) above Vettel this year. I agree some subtle bias may have slipped through (Button/Alonso), but they were so close, a reasonable argument could be made for choosing either.

Than he shoud give other options for the poll, but this is ridiculous
The most fans would have voted like the poll shows

Of course he did, if you place Hamiton higher than Button you must be a hater.


I guess James Allen believes he can do without the opinion of some and in this case I wholeheartedly agree with him.

It would be more worthless without censorship. People in the midst of infatuation tend not to have great judgement on matters concerning the apple of their eye.

Exactly. Most people would struggle not to be at least a touch biased, but the aim was obviously to exclude rank haters/worshippers skewing the business end of the poll.

Really? Usually the majority of the votes shows the true picture
there would have been some people who voted different, but it won't have had a big influence on the general result
and if the majority would have voted Hamilton higher than Button (what would not have happened) than it would have been the opinion of the majority
A few people who would have voted unexpected, would not have made the difference in the result

So did Allen expect that the people could vote Lewis higher than Button
And if why?
If not why the removal of this polls?

There is a big difference in the votes btween Lewis and Button, but is the result , really the opinion of the F1 fans?

Would be interesting to know how many votes have been removed

If it have been only a few , why removing?
If it had been very much (wich I don't think), the result is false, because the opinion of the majority was different.

TBH, I don't think placing Hamilton above Button is so far-fetched. In the first half of the season Hamilton usually had the upper hand. If you exclude the pro-Hamilton votes, you should also exclude the votes that put di Resta, Perez, Senna, D'Ambrosio above their team-mates, but this has not been done.

I was wondering more specifically if someone placed Webber at the bottom of the poll because they can't stand him, for example.

People were asked "provide a Top 10 drivers of 2011, based on who did the best job with the equipment they had".
Guess a case could be made to put Webber on place 10.

Dunno what the fuss is about Allen just wanted to exclude the obvious idiots, ignorant and fanboys and imo he succeeded to come up with a decent poll result that would reflect more or less the opinion of a vast majority of the F1 fans.

I think he would have got more or less the same results without the exclusions in place, to be honest.

Then how PDR would be ranked ahead? JA's restrictions are pure BS and stink of bias.

Allen wanted (as far as reasonably possible) an objective view of how F1 fans thought the drivers performed in 2011, not how many fans each driver had or which one most people fancied. Allen has his faults, but is clearly bright enough to know that certain drivers have the biggest fanbases amongst his pollsters and see certain patterns in their voting.

So this is about fan-base allegiances with a driver? At another recent poll, conducted just recently on this BB, Vettel should have by all counts eighteen fans then. That added filer probably corrected the final count.

Well if you think that than there's nothing to complain about is there?

I think you're underestimating for example the amount of fans that Schumacher still has and who'd ridiculously place him at #1 adding 25 points to his total or the amount of Hamilton fans who would be unable to admit that Jenson did the better job this year.

Better flush those with such idiotic opinions out and have a "clean" poll.

Idiots still have the right to vote though. I just think that if you're going to start placing restrictions at the top end of a poll, you should mirror at the opposite end.

All I'm saying is that there are idiots on both sides, that's all.

Anyone who would have ranked Webber above Vettel or Hamilton above Button for 2011 doesn't deserve to have their vote counted.

You mean like the ones who thought PDR had a better season than AS? 15 points in the midfield is the equivalent of 60-70 at the top yet it didn't stop JA flushing them out.

Plant the seed and they will come.