Full Version: Ferrari livery - perhaps a dumb question
Has every F1 Ferrari livery been red?
No, there have been green Ferraris (Whitehead, Thin Wall), yellow Ferraris (Écurie Francorchamps) and white-blue Ferraris (NART).
Fines is speaking of privateer entrants all Scuderia Ferrari entrants have been red.
Well, the NART Ferraris that raced in Watkins Glen and Mexico in 1964 were works-Ferraris, weren't they?
Thats a bit iffy I think North American Racing Team had a good relationship with Ferrari but once the cars where sent over I think that was that... In other words they prepared the cars themselves hence they were a privateer entrant.
They raced the old fashioned way alas now gone from the sport buy a car, prepare it then race it.
I'm not positive you may be correct about The Glen & Mexico Fines! I'm working from memory here which is not good to do as we all know.
They raced the old fashioned way alas now gone from the sport buy a car, prepare it then race it.
I'm not positive you may be correct about The Glen & Mexico Fines! I'm working from memory here which is not good to do as we all know.
Under the bonnet they certainly were, but Bernd was speaking of official entrants...
To come back on JAC's original question: a great number of works Ferraris have actually been red-and-white causing a great furore among the purists.
To come back on JAC's original question: a great number of works Ferraris have actually been red-and-white causing a great furore among the purists.
Sorry Bernd, that was a rhetorical question! These cars were chassis numbers '005' and '007', the same cars Surtees and Bandini raced in early '65 entered by the Scuderia.
Wrongo! Guys!
NART was the American arm of Ferrari. It was operated by Luigi Chinetti and might as well have been the American Ferrari Factory.
Even when Chinetti raced Ferrari sports cars, they were painted RED!
In 1959 Phil Hill ran a Blue and White Ferrari at the US GP at Sebring. The rest of the team was painted Italian Racing Red.
In 1962 Innes Ireland drove a Dino 156 (initially scheduled for Stirling Moss), in a British F-1 race. The car was entered by British Racing Partnership (BRP). It was maintained by the Ferrari factory and painted red!
Ferrari F-1 cars were painted White and Blue and entered as NART because the Old Man was unhappy with the Italian Automobile Club.
You gotta believe that they went back home and were painted red.
Gil
NART was the American arm of Ferrari. It was operated by Luigi Chinetti and might as well have been the American Ferrari Factory.
Even when Chinetti raced Ferrari sports cars, they were painted RED!
In 1959 Phil Hill ran a Blue and White Ferrari at the US GP at Sebring. The rest of the team was painted Italian Racing Red.
In 1962 Innes Ireland drove a Dino 156 (initially scheduled for Stirling Moss), in a British F-1 race. The car was entered by British Racing Partnership (BRP). It was maintained by the Ferrari factory and painted red!
Ferrari F-1 cars were painted White and Blue and entered as NART because the Old Man was unhappy with the Italian Automobile Club.
You gotta believe that they went back home and were painted red.
Gil
Ferrari had fallen out with the Italian Automobile Club following a dispute over thehomologation for GT racing of the LM. He said that his cars would never again race on Italian soil and sent back his entrant's licence.
I quote Mike Lawrence: "In retaliation for a tiff Ferrari had been having with the Italian racing authorities, the cars were entered by the North American Racing Team in the US GP and pointedly painted in the white and blue of America. He also threatened never to race on Italian soil again, so there !"
The 1962 UDT / Laystall Ferrari 156 (driven by Innes Ireland in the International Trophy at Silverstonne) was red but his colour turned up with a light green stripe running along the body.
Mike Hawthorn in his first ever race for the Scuderia Ferrari had the honour to drive a green Ferrari 500 (Argentine GP in 1953).
Olivier Gendebien sometimes drove a yellow F1 Ferrari at Spa. In 1961, a fourth 156 65-degree was ostensibly entered by the Equipe Nationale Belge (painted in yellow) but was it an official works car ?
How was the colour of the Ferrari 500 and 625 of the Ecurie Rosier? Blue ?
And the one of Fischer, Baird, Parnell, and the F2 of the AC of Argentine ? Ok it was not official cars ...
The 1962 UDT / Laystall Ferrari 156 (driven by Innes Ireland in the International Trophy at Silverstonne) was red but his colour turned up with a light green stripe running along the body.
Mike Hawthorn in his first ever race for the Scuderia Ferrari had the honour to drive a green Ferrari 500 (Argentine GP in 1953).
Olivier Gendebien sometimes drove a yellow F1 Ferrari at Spa. In 1961, a fourth 156 65-degree was ostensibly entered by the Equipe Nationale Belge (painted in yellow) but was it an official works car ?
How was the colour of the Ferrari 500 and 625 of the Ecurie Rosier? Blue ?
And the one of Fischer, Baird, Parnell, and the F2 of the AC of Argentine ? Ok it was not official cars ...
In the first half of 1950 Raymond Sommer drove a 1949 monoposto as 125 F1 and also 166 F2. The car obviously was a Scuderia Ferrari car, and also entered by the SF. There are no reports at all that it was owned by Sommer at any time. We have a lot of b/w photos, showing the car in a rather bright colour, most probably light-blue. Anybody around knowing more details?
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Rosier's Ferraris were French blue.
Fischer had a white flash on the front of his red car to signify his Swiss origin.
I once had a Dinky Toy Ferrari 500 in the blue and yellow colours of Argentina; does that count?
Come to think of it, was there such a colour scheme on one of those cars at any time? Or did the Dinky Toy people just make it up?
Fischer had a white flash on the front of his red car to signify his Swiss origin.
I once had a Dinky Toy Ferrari 500 in the blue and yellow colours of Argentina; does that count?
Come to think of it, was there such a colour scheme on one of those cars at any time? Or did the Dinky Toy people just make it up?
Rosier, Fischer (Espadon), and ACA (Automobile Club of Argentina) had been all private entries. Yes, the ACA cars had been blue-yellow, and both cars have survived.
This is the Dinky Ferrari mentioned above.
I have all 6 cars in the series and given that all the others seem to be in authentic colours, (even down to de Graffenried's white triangle on the front of the 4CLT) I have always assumed that someone, somewhere ran one painted like this.
I have all 6 cars in the series and given that all the others seem to be in authentic colours, (even down to de Graffenried's white triangle on the front of the 4CLT) I have always assumed that someone, somewhere ran one painted like this.
Hmm, the Dinky car looks more like a 250F. The ACA cars, also the Maseratis and the Gordinis, had always only yellow bonnets. There was another blue-yellow car, which was Bira's Maserati 250F, the wheels had been yellow, but the color scheme was horizontal and not vertikal (see photo),
Can't remember de Graffenried's 4CLT had this white triangle, as far I know his car only showed the Swiss flag in form of an heraldic figure. The white triangle was typical for the Scuderia Espadon cars.
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Can't remember de Graffenried's 4CLT had this white triangle, as far I know his car only showed the Swiss flag in form of an heraldic figure. The white triangle was typical for the Scuderia Espadon cars.
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Quite possibly, Michael. I just remember that there WAS a car around with that colour scheme. I assumed de Graffenried because of the Swiss connection.
Perhaps splitting hairs but the 93 Ferrari had a vey prominant white area surrounding the airbox cover, certainly it was the 'least red' Ferrari i can remember seeing for a long time. Made it look like the Dallara team colours and didn't perform that much better.
I had the Dinky Ferrari as well.It was a 625 as raced by "B.Bira" in 1953 I have always thought.
The later car´s had not been in the traditional Ferrari-rosso (blood-red).
A warmer tone of (Marlboro) dayglo-orange.
Rainer
A warmer tone of (Marlboro) dayglo-orange.
Rainer
Ferrari's Team cars (factory, whatever) with the exception of the Cars at Watkins Glen and Mexico and Hill's car at Sebring were always red. I am not a fan of the current "Marlboro Red," color.
There were occasions when Ferrari added a white stripe or a green and white stripe (completes the national colors) to the Ferrari red.
Ferraris are RED
and
Model T's are Black
Sorta reminds me of the time I asked Gunther Schmidt about the paint scheme on the ATS (which seemed to change at every race). He said. "My cars are Black - Red and Yellow. They will always be Black - Red and Yellow!"
Didn't really answer my question because at one race the cars had huge Black and Red flashes and the next discrete little Black and Red striping. Base color was always Yellow.
Gil Bouffard
http://www.norpaccrows.org
There were occasions when Ferrari added a white stripe or a green and white stripe (completes the national colors) to the Ferrari red.
Ferraris are RED
and
Model T's are Black
Sorta reminds me of the time I asked Gunther Schmidt about the paint scheme on the ATS (which seemed to change at every race). He said. "My cars are Black - Red and Yellow. They will always be Black - Red and Yellow!"
Didn't really answer my question because at one race the cars had huge Black and Red flashes and the next discrete little Black and Red striping. Base color was always Yellow.
Gil Bouffard
http://www.norpaccrows.org
Rob & Barry, in fact it could be a Ferrari 625, the colours could be Bira's, but when did Bira race a 625??
His only Ferrari experience as far I know was in 1948 as a works driver for 2 or 3 occasions. Anybody having details about Prince Bira and Ferrari 625?
His only Ferrari experience as far I know was in 1948 as a works driver for 2 or 3 occasions. Anybody having details about Prince Bira and Ferrari 625?
Don't forget Hawthorn's, Gil... it's mentioned earlier and also in another thread... green.
Ray,
I've read about Hawthorn's Green Ferrari on this forum and yet he never made a comment about it in either books. I would have expected that such a significant event would have warranted some sort of comment.
I have reviewed all of the Ferrari books I own and I cannot find any reference to a green Ferrari.
All of the old Far--Folks I have talked with don't know of a green Ferrari other than The Thinwall Special and Reg Parnell's car.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
I've read about Hawthorn's Green Ferrari on this forum and yet he never made a comment about it in either books. I would have expected that such a significant event would have warranted some sort of comment.
I have reviewed all of the Ferrari books I own and I cannot find any reference to a green Ferrari.
All of the old Far--Folks I have talked with don't know of a green Ferrari other than The Thinwall Special and Reg Parnell's car.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
What of the Cooper-Ferrari? Or isn't the Scuderia Catellotti Cooper T51 Ferrari sufficiently Ferrari enough to count? 
Still I suppose it wouln't because that then brings in cars like the Dallara 192 Ferrari (which was red anyway) the mostly White Lola T93/30 Ferrari's of 1993 and the black Minardi M191 Ferraris.
And the no-doubt blue Prost AP04 Ferraris????
Still there's some tenouous options.....
Still I suppose it wouln't because that then brings in cars like the Dallara 192 Ferrari (which was red anyway) the mostly White Lola T93/30 Ferrari's of 1993 and the black Minardi M191 Ferraris.
And the no-doubt blue Prost AP04 Ferraris????
Still there's some tenouous options.....
Gil... wasn't that issue resolved?
The Cooper-Castellotti's (Cooper-Ferraris) were red anyway.
I don't remember Hawthorn in a green Ferrari either.
I don't remember Hawthorn in a green Ferrari either.
Seems I have been storing miss-information in my head for around 45 years! "Bira" never did have a F2 Ferrari. When I was about 10yrs old I used to buy a rag called "Meccano Magazine" which reviewed all the new Dinky Toys that came out.My is guess they were responsible for this error.As the Argentine colours could be interpreted the same as the Siamese,maybe we should look there.has anyone seen a real Blue & Yellow F2 Ferrari?
Interesting. I've often wondered about the different colored Ferrari's myself. fines, thanks for sharing http://grand-prix-racing.freeyellow.com
great site particularly the "Useful Links". Can someone please tell be how to post a photo at the BB. Do I use the same basic html that use for my website? Thanks.
great site particularly the "Useful Links". Can someone please tell be how to post a photo at the BB. Do I use the same basic html that use for my website? Thanks.
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Felix
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Felix
Thankyou very much Felix!
Ray,
I haven't seen a picture (worth maybe six or ten words) of Hawthorn in a Green Ferrari. As we all know, if the Ferrari Cavallino Rampante isn't on the car, it is not a works entry.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
Take a visit
I haven't seen a picture (worth maybe six or ten words) of Hawthorn in a Green Ferrari. As we all know, if the Ferrari Cavallino Rampante isn't on the car, it is not a works entry.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
Take a visit
What colour is the 'correct' Ferrari red?
Of the surviving early cars that Enzo Ferrari ran that I have seen - actually Alfas, are a very dark red - if fact more maroon than red - the cars seem to have got lighter by the decade...
Of the surviving early cars that Enzo Ferrari ran that I have seen - actually Alfas, are a very dark red - if fact more maroon than red - the cars seem to have got lighter by the decade...
Doug Nye, in "Mon Ami Mate" makes mention of the green Hawthorn's Ferrari in the 1953 Argentine GP. There's a black and white picture and of course impossible to say if it was green or red !!
Sorry for posting twice in a row
Bira and Ferrari, only 2 races:
Italian GP, 5 September 1948
Penya Rhin GP, 31 October 1948
the same result: retired.
Bira and Ferrari, only 2 races:
Italian GP, 5 September 1948
Penya Rhin GP, 31 October 1948
the same result: retired.
I am told by a reliable modeller that Fiat Rosso Red is the closest to the authentic Ferrari colour from the pre-Marlboro days.
Interestingly, the short-lived works Lancia D.50's were a darker shade - almost maroon - but were repainted to standard Ferrari red when handed over to Enzo in late 1955.
Interestingly, the short-lived works Lancia D.50's were a darker shade - almost maroon - but were repainted to standard Ferrari red when handed over to Enzo in late 1955.
Originally posted by Gil Bouffard
Ray,
I've read about Hawthorn's Green Ferrari on this forum and yet he never made a comment about it in either books. I would have expected that such a significant event would have warranted some sort of comment.
I have reviewed all of the Ferrari books I own and I cannot find any reference to a green Ferrari.
All of the old Far--Folks I have talked with don't know of a green Ferrari other than The Thinwall Special and Reg Parnell's car.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
Ray,
I've read about Hawthorn's Green Ferrari on this forum and yet he never made a comment about it in either books. I would have expected that such a significant event would have warranted some sort of comment.
I have reviewed all of the Ferrari books I own and I cannot find any reference to a green Ferrari.
All of the old Far--Folks I have talked with don't know of a green Ferrari other than The Thinwall Special and Reg Parnell's car.
Gil
http://www.norpaccrows.org
Autosport 6 Feb 1953 mentions at least twice that Hawthorn's Ferrari was green. The author of the report was their South American correspondent who was almost certainly at the meeting.
Originally posted by Roger Clark
Autosport 6 Feb 1953 mentions at least twice that Hawthorn's Ferrari was green. The author of the report was their South American correspondent who was almost certainly at the meeting.
Autosport 6 Feb 1953 mentions at least twice that Hawthorn's Ferrari was green. The author of the report was their South American correspondent who was almost certainly at the meeting.
Roger,
Thanks for what looks like an answer to the question that I posted almost a year ago (6th February 2000) on another thread in TNF
This was my question then :
I have more questions than answers on this one, so let’s recap for the sake of good order.
a) First mention of The Green-painted Ferrari seems to have been related to the Modena Grand Prix 1952 , where Hawthorn, having been caught in the middle of a move inspired by Tony Vandervell in conversation with Enzo Ferrari that had as scenery the Italian Grand Prix a week before, was offered a Ferrari for that race. It is in this context that everybody mentions the detail of Ferrari offering to paint one of his cars in green.
b) Then we have the Thursday untimed practice session, where Hawthorn tried the car. The 500-003, to be precise. He loved the car, and agreed more or less to drive it for the weekend. In this context, Ugolini probably mentioned the question of the colour of the car for the first time, as Hawthorn himself recalls : “Right”- they said, “Come along tomorrow for your official practice. We´ll paint the car green for you –as green is the British racing colour”.
c) I quote Hawthorn again (all this in page 46 of “Challenge Me the Race”, William Kimber, London, July 1958) : “I went next day for practice and Ascari and Villoresi were there and there was only one car. Obviously, they had a practice first. While this was going on, my father said : “Why not take the Cooper round and just compare it – see how it goes?” I asked Ugolini, and he said : “Certainly, by all means, take it round and we´ll let you know when the Ferrari is ready for you”
d) And then was when Hawthorn had his accident (that he himself recognizes it was due to his own mistake trying to use the “Ferrari” braking point as learnt the day before with the Cooper.
e) So, does it looks as if Hawthorn never actually drove the green-painted Ferrari that weekend ? Well, that sounds like the very logical conclusion to extract, anyway.
f) Then comes Xmas, Hawthorn recovers and the Argentine Grand Prix is going to be his first race for Ferrari. Of course Hawthorn tells us about, but there is no mention whatsoever of the green-painted Ferrari. What a strange fact, as one will imagine that he would have recalled such an odd circumstance, as he did with the Modena suggestion by Ugolini.
g) Of course this is curious if only because someone else does recall such fact, namely Chris Nixon (page 45, Mon Ami Mate, 1991) “Enzo Ferrari had paid Mike the compliment of having his car painted green for the race…”
h) No other source of the ones that I have consulted recalls this particular point and, whilst one gathers that they should have –because of the objective curiosity of the fact- I leave the door open to Nixon’s version, and to yours, by the way. I don´t think I have “seen” the Ferrari 500 in green, and the only supporting evidence so far are b&w pictures on which I cannot build a theory. I am not discussing the reality of the green-painted Ferrari (if only because a simple picture in colour would prove me wrong forever) but I am very curious about the circumstances, including the absolute lack of acknowledgement of the same by usual chronists.
Someone out there with a flashlight?
Un abrazo
Felix
a) First mention of The Green-painted Ferrari seems to have been related to the Modena Grand Prix 1952 , where Hawthorn, having been caught in the middle of a move inspired by Tony Vandervell in conversation with Enzo Ferrari that had as scenery the Italian Grand Prix a week before, was offered a Ferrari for that race. It is in this context that everybody mentions the detail of Ferrari offering to paint one of his cars in green.
b) Then we have the Thursday untimed practice session, where Hawthorn tried the car. The 500-003, to be precise. He loved the car, and agreed more or less to drive it for the weekend. In this context, Ugolini probably mentioned the question of the colour of the car for the first time, as Hawthorn himself recalls : “Right”- they said, “Come along tomorrow for your official practice. We´ll paint the car green for you –as green is the British racing colour”.
c) I quote Hawthorn again (all this in page 46 of “Challenge Me the Race”, William Kimber, London, July 1958) : “I went next day for practice and Ascari and Villoresi were there and there was only one car. Obviously, they had a practice first. While this was going on, my father said : “Why not take the Cooper round and just compare it – see how it goes?” I asked Ugolini, and he said : “Certainly, by all means, take it round and we´ll let you know when the Ferrari is ready for you”
d) And then was when Hawthorn had his accident (that he himself recognizes it was due to his own mistake trying to use the “Ferrari” braking point as learnt the day before with the Cooper.
e) So, does it looks as if Hawthorn never actually drove the green-painted Ferrari that weekend ? Well, that sounds like the very logical conclusion to extract, anyway.
f) Then comes Xmas, Hawthorn recovers and the Argentine Grand Prix is going to be his first race for Ferrari. Of course Hawthorn tells us about, but there is no mention whatsoever of the green-painted Ferrari. What a strange fact, as one will imagine that he would have recalled such an odd circumstance, as he did with the Modena suggestion by Ugolini.
g) Of course this is curious if only because someone else does recall such fact, namely Chris Nixon (page 45, Mon Ami Mate, 1991) “Enzo Ferrari had paid Mike the compliment of having his car painted green for the race…”
h) No other source of the ones that I have consulted recalls this particular point and, whilst one gathers that they should have –because of the objective curiosity of the fact- I leave the door open to Nixon’s version, and to yours, by the way. I don´t think I have “seen” the Ferrari 500 in green, and the only supporting evidence so far are b&w pictures on which I cannot build a theory. I am not discussing the reality of the green-painted Ferrari (if only because a simple picture in colour would prove me wrong forever) but I am very curious about the circumstances, including the absolute lack of acknowledgement of the same by usual chronists.
Someone out there with a flashlight?
Un abrazo
Felix
Also mentioned above, Peter Whitehead's Ferraris had been green - or at least his second one, # 0114. Car is now in the Donnington collection, see below. However, for his first Ferrari - # 10C - I'm still looking for the final "green" confirmation, I have abt. 20 or so photos, but all b/w, and rosso corsa and brg unfortunately look identical. Btw, of course Whitehead was privateer, although sometimes his cars had been entered officially by the SF.
Michael Müller.
A color picture of Whitehead in a red 125 #17 can be found in Venables, First among Champions, page 180. It shows the start of the 1950 International Trophy and it is credited to Guy Griffiths.
To my horror I have seen at the Ferrari day in Mugello last October that today's Ferraris F1 are ORANGE. So they look Marlboro red on TV, they told me, and I had to agree.
A color picture of Whitehead in a red 125 #17 can be found in Venables, First among Champions, page 180. It shows the start of the 1950 International Trophy and it is credited to Guy Griffiths.
To my horror I have seen at the Ferrari day in Mugello last October that today's Ferraris F1 are ORANGE. So they look Marlboro red on TV, they told me, and I had to agree.
Alessandro, thanks for the final "BRG" confirmation.
Have some Whitehead pics from the same event, but unfortunately only b/w.
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Have some Whitehead pics from the same event, but unfortunately only b/w.
Michael!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've written that the car was RED! the numbers were silver, weird isn't it?
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've written that the car was RED! the numbers were silver, weird isn't it?
Ooops!
Okay Michael, here are your orders: READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY!!
Okay Michael, here are your orders: READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY!!
Sorry to resurrect this thread, people, and special apologies to Roger Clark and Colonel Capps, but I still haven't got to the bottom of this Lancia colour.
I WISH I could remember where I read that the cars were a dark red - almost maroon - in colour. This has been discounted by many people (not all on TNF), but I'm a bit like a terrier with a bone. The nagging just won't go away.
I give as evidence, several black and white photographs showing Lancia D50's in close proximity with either Ferraris or Maseratis. The Lancias ALWAYS look darker.
Also, a colour photo of the cars lined up in the Monaco pits, from Chris Nixon's 'Rivals' book has them looking very definitely darker than standard Ferrari red.
Then again, the front cover of Karl's Ascari book makes the car look bright red.
A friend tells me that the Lancia museum car that appeared at Coy's Festival a few years ago was Ferrari red and that is the colour that the 'new' D50's have been painted. I saw that for myself at Coy's last year.
So, gentlemen, what IS going on here. How come these cars look darker in b/w photos? Can anyone finally put this matter to rest?
I WISH I could remember where I read that the cars were a dark red - almost maroon - in colour. This has been discounted by many people (not all on TNF), but I'm a bit like a terrier with a bone. The nagging just won't go away.
I give as evidence, several black and white photographs showing Lancia D50's in close proximity with either Ferraris or Maseratis. The Lancias ALWAYS look darker.
Also, a colour photo of the cars lined up in the Monaco pits, from Chris Nixon's 'Rivals' book has them looking very definitely darker than standard Ferrari red.
Then again, the front cover of Karl's Ascari book makes the car look bright red.
A friend tells me that the Lancia museum car that appeared at Coy's Festival a few years ago was Ferrari red and that is the colour that the 'new' D50's have been painted. I saw that for myself at Coy's last year.
So, gentlemen, what IS going on here. How come these cars look darker in b/w photos? Can anyone finally put this matter to rest?
Can't help much Barry, except to say that all the D23/D24 sportscar replicas seem to be a much deeper red than the two D50s we've both seen recently - a blood red from an artery rather than a vein, perhaps? Whether or not the guys who built the replicas know something we don't, I couldn't say
When the sports-racing Lancias first appeared in the winter of 1952/53 they were tested at the Ospadaletti circuit, like the D50s two years later. THey were painted dark blue and cream. So, although this doesn't answer Barry's question, it does touch on two other threads
Barry,
I've seen color pictures of the D50s taken during the '54 Spanish GP held at Pedralbes and the red is deeper than the Ferrari red, without doubt.
I've seen color pictures of the D50s taken during the '54 Spanish GP held at Pedralbes and the red is deeper than the Ferrari red, without doubt.
Have only one colour photo in my archive, which is Villoresi at Monaco in 1955, the red looks rather standard.
However, I agree that on the b/w photos the colour looks rather dark.
However, I agree that on the b/w photos the colour looks rather dark.
Is the Ferrari red of the fifties and sixties the same as the Ferrari red of the thirties? For some reason I get the impression that the Scuderia Ferrari Alfa Romeos were a darker red than the postwar Ferraris. The black and white photos of the '30s often seem to make the Ferrari Alfas look dark.
Italian Racing Red is like British Racing Green.
Maseratis used a shade, Lancia used a shade, Alfa Romeo used a shade and Ferrari used a different shade. You might expect that the manufacturers would not want to be confused with another marque. Just like the Brits.
Gil
Maseratis used a shade, Lancia used a shade, Alfa Romeo used a shade and Ferrari used a different shade. You might expect that the manufacturers would not want to be confused with another marque. Just like the Brits.
Gil
The SF and also the works Alfas used a rather dark nearly claret red. Unfortunately I have no period colour photos, but the restored P3 below comes near. Know some survived P3 and 8C in original condition where the red is even darker, but don't know whether paint may darken by age. Unfortunately there are also some other restorations using the more bright "Ferrari red" of later periods, which is really a pity.
Below a period photo (1948) of the red as used by Ferrari after the war.
Below a period photo (1948) of the red as used by Ferrari after the war.
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