Rob, can I presume that my friend Fiona Butterfield is on your list?

TW

Rob, this comes from the ETCC database; perhaps some names are new to you.
Marguerite Accarie, F
Christine Beckers ("Christine"), B
Patricia Bertapelle, F
Jenny Birrell, GB
Jacquie Bond-Smith, GB
Eva Bornebusch, S
Claudine Bouchet, F
Lilian Bryner, CH
Anna Cambiaghi, I
Christabel Carlisle, GB
Marie-Claude Charmasson ("Beaumont"), F
Jenny Dell, GB
Suzy Dietrich, USA
Junko Ejiri, J
Gill Fortescue-Thomas
Miss R. Galliford, GB
Nathalie Goodwin, GB
Anne Hall, GB
Henny Hemmes, NL
Miss Hennerici, D
Jenny van Hilten, L
Marianne Hoepfner, F
Elizabeth Jones, GB
Gabrielle König, GB
Ina van Kooten, NL
Pauline Mayman, GB
Denise McCluggage, USA
Junko Mihara, J
Kiyoshi Miyashita, J
Kaori Okamoto, J
E. Otsuka, J
Ada Pace, I
Rona Pearson, GB
Irène Sadron, F
Rosemary Smith, IRL
Alexandra Surplice, AUS
Anita Taylor, GB
Monika Wallraf, D
Hannelore Werner, D
The list is by no means complete (I probably forgot to enter Liane Engeman as female ).

The schedule of events shows a ten-lap "Ladies Race" on each day. Either I didn't know, or my memory fails to tell me if any of these women raced with the men. The entry list usually lists the woman's name as an alternate driver to a male.

In this program, Margaret Nelson is listed as the only driver in No. 8 A-H Sprite, as is Alison Brizard in the No. 185 Lotus Elite (M or F? I dunno; only other reference in a quick Google shows 2nd, FJr, 1963 ARRC).

Does your "11 more" include just those on the one page? There is another trio on the previous page.

I think I've said before: I always feel a little conflicted about contributing to the perpetuation of a certain chauvinism, preserving the data about these "Powder Puff Derby" races, but that's the way it was. Still some question in my mind as to whether the attitude has changed, or we've just learned to disguise it a bit better.


Some of the programs I processed and posted very early in my "career" were produced with small type sizes in the original, and I hadn't worked out the compromises among legibility, disk space, and download time. My intention is to re-do them to current skill and bandwidth standards, as I get time. (<-- joke) It seems to me there is some adjustment going on, both in my approach and process and the likelihood of high-speed connection by those who "need" to see these things. In my view, disk space is no longer a consideration, given prices and availability.

Any road, if there is something anyone has difficulty reading, I can usually find or make a copy that works, given a few days.


Frank S

An interesting list, Frank
But surely it should be Natalie Goodwin (not Nathalie)?
And Gabrielle Konig (not König)?
And isn't Rosemary Smith from Northern Ireland, and therefore GB rather than IRL?

If you say so, David, I'll change my database. Though I've had quite a lot of help reviewing my currently 5187 entries, I'm only more or less certain about the Dutch names

You sure? I believe that's a perfectly male first name.

Other female Japanese racers:

Masako Fujikawa
Shima Narusawa
Hiromi Nishizawa
Fumiko Shinoda
Tomiko Yoshikawa

The latter two were quite successful in Japanese F3, especially Yoshikawa.

Great Frank! I supose I now need to go through your 5187 entries to find where those I don't have raced?
I also have trouble with Japanese names. Have only about 3 to date that have been identified as female in reports.

Fines,

My source was a copy of the Spa 1979 program. Drivers for car #79 are:
Miss E. Otsuka, J
Miss K. Miyasbita, J
Miss J. Ejiri, J
My guess was that Miyasbita should be Miyashita (which I had from a different source, complete with first name); but I am no expert on Japanese names...
I'll check if I have any of your other names in my database (edit: not a single one!).

Rob,
tell me which names are new for you and I'll tell where they raced - that's comfortable with a database

Since I'm close to 1000 posts, that will help...

Yep,Nat:IRL,dob 30.03.58. Raced in Formula Ford 1977 and in 3 ladies only Ford Escort races 77-78.

Don't forget Cora Schumacher and Yolanda Surer !

so long
Hugo Boecker

Right,not on my list are;;
Accarif
Ejiri
Hennerici
van Kooten
Mihara
Miyashita
Okamoto
Otsuka
Pearson
Sadron
Wallraf

Another problem here is women tend to change their names when they marry.First name I have for Miss R Galliford is Rona.Could this be the same person as Pearson?
Suprising omissions from your list are misses Stermitz and Mieuvessen who certainly did WTCC.
Mercedes is the only lady I have my own webpage for so far.http://hometown.aol.uk/.....121b..mfy7r5N8...ZZYowAyT90w+cVd

Anyone got the video titled "Motor Racing 79s Style". Theres a great feature about a Ladies Race at Brands in about 1970 or 71, where they're all in Granadas of all things. Gillian F-T, Jenny Dell are names I recall from it, though can't remember who won now. Commentary by, I think, Neville Hay is superb, worth the video by itself. Very 'un-PC', calls them "dears" and so forth. Highly amusing..., definitely couldn't get away with it now.

Judy Kondratief (probably the wrong spelling ) came in to my mind - late 60's/70's I would think German - ring any bells with anyone?

Yes Dan , great little bit of film. When I was running a car in Vauxhall Junior in '95 we played it in the hospitality area as a bit of getting our own back, Jenny Birrel was the co-ordinator, and for reasons known only to herself , I witnessed she was always very unpleasant towards the 16 yr old lads in the series including Justin Wilson, Ben Collins, Charlie Butler-Henderson, etc,etc.

Mary Wollenson was the "girl" you were thinking of. Her husband, Ted, still races a GT-5 Mini and you can still see memorial stickers on alot of SCCA smallbore production and GT race cars. Hard to believe that it is still just a "reccomendation" that the large and small GT classes should not be in the same run group.

While surely alot of the chauvinistic were in play for the holding of "powder puff" races, there was a practical reason for them as well. Back in the days when "production" meant "stock" people were driving to the track in their race cars, or towing with something only slightly larger than the car itself. No big transporters or 1/8th mile long enclosed trailers. So, how do you arrange things when your wife/girlfriend gets the racing bug? You let her race the same car. Unless you want to enter in both production AND mod, you both can't be out on track at once. Hence a race group was created for all the female sharers of cars.

Oddly enough, women's classes are perpetuated in one form of motorsport in the US, autocross/Solo II. There is some rule related to the number of drivers of a single car that can drive in one class, and many top drivers like to share cars. A parallel ladies class lets them share the car amongst twice as many drivers. It's a flimsy excuse, but it is actually alot of the women who like it that way, and there is nothing to prevent a wman from entereing the "open" class if she so wishes. There are a few women who have won the national chapmionship for their open class.

Al entries from my site:
Accarif 1966 Mont Ventoux
Ejiri 1979 Spa 24h
Hennerici 1971 Marathon de la Route
van Kooten 1964/65 Zandvoort trophy, raced touring cars in Holland, did some (female) record braking runs
Mihara Spa 24h 1992/93
Miyashita 1979 Spa 24h
Okamoto Spa 87-93, Fuji 87-88
Otsuka Spa 79, could be identical to Emiko Othuka, J, Macau 1978
Pearson 1962 Brands Hatch
Sadron 1966 Mont Ventoux
Wallraf 1962 Nürburgring 12 hrs



Fair enough, a quick browse on first name reveal some more:

Wendy Markey, GB
Waltraud Odenthal, also Stöhr-Odenthal
Ursula Wirth, S
Anne-Charlotte Verney, F
Barbara Cowrell, GB
Deborah Gregg, USA
Divina Galica, GB
Ellen Lohr, D
Gabrielle Renault, F
Kathy Rude, USA
Lynn Brown, AUS
Suzanne Tucker-Peak, GB

Marathon de la Route-was that not a RALLY not a race? Mont Ventoux is certainly a hill climb so do not qualify for my list.

It's Davina Galica

No, Divina (we've done this before)

But it should be Barbara Cowell

Quite right, and it is Susan Tucker-Peak (now Jamison)

Remember her nickname? Susan F***er-Freak!

SWSDT

The complete list of Polish ladies, who took part in races before WW2. With women, who started in rallies list will be longer.

Ludmila Boguslawska
Irena Jablonska
Halina Toepferowa
Goluchowska (I don’t know her first name)
Halina Poznanska
Nadzieja Marchlewska
Hanna Schiele
Maria Tarnowska
Podczaska (I don’t know her first name)
Halina Regulska
Maria Kozmian (the best, also known as Kozmianowa)
Maria Cybulska
Ema Stolowska
Klementyna Sliwinska
Maria Szembek
Helena Surynowa
Ojcumila Falkowska
Antonina Zaczynska
W. Mielochówna


And Polish women drivers from 40’s.

Karolina Kozieniak
Wanda Lichocka
Mira Kretschmerowa
Irena Bialokur

We've had that before too. It's not a rally either (where is the co-driver? in the pits...) and entries consisted of more circuit specialists than rallymen. I give it the benifit of the doubt!
The hillclimb, by the way, was part of the ETCC in those days, so it does qualify for my list...

Have you guys got Claudine Trautmann on your lists? And was she related to the former Manchester City goalkeeper Bert who famously carried on playing with a broken neck?

SKiD

Last race
1951 Gosport 2 Litre Alta Robert Cowell

first race
1957 Shelsley Walsh Emeryson Roberta Elisabeth Cowell

so long

Hugo Boecker

Glad I never heard that one before TW! And if we are going to get the spellings correct its Susan Tucker-Peake-Jamieson (from book written by her)
Was Barbara Cowell related to Robert(a) ?
Thanks anjakub for the Polish list-amazing,the only one I had heard of was Kosmian.

I doubt if there was any relationship between the Cowells
And wasn't the other lady referred to by Nick Brittan as Susan Puckered-Teats?

Frank

Lynn Brown (Australia) is very much a man. A top Mini racer in the 1960s, later raced Mazdas, now races a Historic Formula Ford and also owns a veteran De Dion Bouton.

I'm sure he is by now used to occasionally being mistaken for a woman.

The correct female spelling of Lynn, though, is Lynne. Adding to the confusion, "Lyn" is the common abbreviation for the female name, "Lynette". And "Lynn", by the way, is not at all common as a boy's name.

...still no picture of Valli then...

MCS

I know this has been pointed out before.

It's Davina Galica


Edit: After reading this you must read the next post

Show me your proof, D

Here's mine:

http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s...ighlight=Galica

Which thread was it that included a pronunciation key?
"duVEEnuh galITsuh"?

I really, really need that service for the names of many personalities and places in the racing world, including some members of this forum.

Is it "TWIN window" or "twin WINdow"?

Or "CHUMley"?

They're all actually pronounced "Throatwobbler-Mangrove"

And so to bed .....

It's DIVINA. McKinney is right.

I just learned the following:
"... a Miss P. Galliford that turned out to be a man (source: contemporary AUTOSPORT report)".

Can anyone confirm this (and therefore the first name is not Rona?)

Has aanyone already mentioned "Bluebell" Gibbs who sometimes drove husband Lens pretty little Lola 1100 ? "Bluebell " came from her early career as one of the famous Bluebell Girls.

I thought it was Davina and checked with one of my references (Small). I should of course have checked TNF!




And that's my signature justification for July out of the way

Nice one! As I am reminded constantly myself, D-Type, the older you get, the more you realise how little you really know...

TW

Paola Marchetti was a successful kart racer in the mid-70s and represented Italy in the European Championships.

Twinny

At the risk of repeating some of the above, I can list the following women racers:

Maria Grazia “Lella” Lombardi
Divina Galica
Lyn St James
Desiré Wilson
Cathy Müller
Giovanna Amati
Suzane “Suzzy” Carvalho
Rhonda Trammell
Ellen Lohr
Tamara Vidali
Paula Cook
Sarah Kavanagh
Claudia Hürtgen
Katja Isabel Müller
Kirsten Kolby
Sara Senske
Sarah Fisher
Danica Patrick
Joanna Clarke
Annie Templeton

Also, Jos Verstappen’s wife, Sophie Kumpen, was apparently faster than karting team-mate Jarno Trulli....

Has anybody mentioned Hazel Chapman (wife of ACBC)? I don't know whether she actually raced but she certainly drove in hillclimbs in a very early Lotus (Mk 5 at the latest).

I remember reading a story of one hillclimb where she was faster than Colin. I can't remember the details: there was something about her taking one bend flat out when he didn't, although he had told her he did.

I recall a large blond Swedish driver racing a Volvo in an early Wellington street race for Gp A cars.

Nettan Lingren?

Large and blond would fit Nettan Lindgren-Jansson...

Her daughter Carolina Jansson (Carro) is driving in the Volvo S60 Challenge in Sweden.

Another daughter of a famous driver is Jenna Brorsson (the father being Tommy Brorsson of SuperVee and Historic Racing fame), who races in the Porsche Carrera Cup Scandinavia.

Nettan drove a BMW M3 in the BTCC in the early 90's too.

Didn't she have a shunt with Jonathan Palmer at the time - when he rather lost his composure ?

Interesting that 'Divi' is still racing.Took part in historic sports car event at St.Jovite last weekend in Chevron B23. This may sound unchivilrous, but is she now the oldest active female driver?

Maybe - Cha Cha retired last year.

Vanina Ickx is my favourite gal in motor racing. The facial resemblance with her father is striking. An interesting discusion about lady-drivers in DTM is taking place in this German forum :

http://www.dtm.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=628

If you’re German speaking, don’t be cruel with my “Deutsche sprache”-skills.