There's a small nib in the latest autosport about the new Indycar chassis being unveiled on the 14th of July. Is this still the case? I haven't seen any more info about it. Which is the favourite?

I'm hoping Lola get it, but failing that the Deltawing - as it would really differentiate Indycars from being a poor-mans F1 car

Since I don't really care much about Indycar, I kinda want the DeltaWing to win just for the curiosity of it. How on earth would that wacky shit work?

Rumors are flying that it'll be two or maybe even three constructors, with Lola and Dallara appearing to have the inside line. It evidently will not be the DeltaWing, thank goodness!

That deltawing is an abomonation.

Rumors around Indianapolis say Lola and Dallara though there has been speculation that it will be a single sourced tub with others free to make the other parts if they choose.

i want the deltawing just to laugh tbh.

If the Delta Wing is chosen I am pretty sure IndyCar won't be around long. I oubt drivers would be interested in racing those horrible looking eyesaws

did the drivers think that at the onset of the aero era?
it would be a gimmick at first, to lure new people in
all the while the fans draw sides
and if the product delivers on the track...
it could be revolutionary

Hi folks ,


Gimmicks wont work now the public is too jaded to accept it for long ( see Nascar's chase ).

I am of the opinion that unless a basic package guarenteeing driver safety , combined with innovation of the actual race car design and powerplant at a cost of under 250 k a copy race ready that the Indy car series is destined to fall victim to the on goin onslaught of nascar.
As for the Indy 500 if they dont make it a race within the sprint cup , another possibility is that nascar modfieds could become the vehichle of choice in an effort to keep the "open -wheel"legacy alive.


The Cost factor in ALL series needs to be addressed promptly , and those series that dont wont survive.




Paul

What it WILL have:
- Common tub
- NO DELTA WING
- A *surprise* tomorrow (expecting multiple fuel or energy sources)
- Open Spec within certain specs
- Any manufacturer may participate
- Cost cap for chassis at at least 50% less of the cost of the current dallara (expected to be lower)
- More safety in tub/space.

IMS under Hulman ownership won't change to make the Indianapolis 500 a Cup date. For starters, they don't have another date to pull from, as is custom when dates realign and one isn't likely to be added. I also don't see them running modifieds. If the family decides to sell to ISC or SMI then I think we'd see some sort of realignment but the Hulman's aren't going to tank nearly a century of family history, or at least tank it any worst than Tony George did at this point.

I'm hearing much of the same though I doubt the multiple fuel or energy sources. Brazil has a current deal and Sunoco will join next year as the official supplier using Brazilian cane to make the fuel except for Iowa where they'll use corn as they're the title sponsor.

the irony is the delta wing is closest to what you want.

delta wing is kill or cure, others might make it abit better or abit worse, i cant see them suddenly turning the series around

Hi Loki ,


Keep in mind Tony Hulman and his family only got involved at running the speedway in the mid 1940's after Wilbur Shaw went to them for help , after he saw how the condition of the track had declined due to the war and Rickenbacher's less than enthusiastic mindset towards the track at that point

The one true "wild card" the speedway must face in the near term is just who will take over once Mari Hulman George gives up control . Til that is resolved there is no way of knowing what racing will continue to be held at the speedway.

As for the Indy 500 and what will be running in it ,what i beleive has now occured is after nearly 40 years of the wings the technology had dead-ended to the point that the driver now is less of a factor in what the car does than at any point since the 1911 race. That needs to be addressed by making the driver more in charge of how the car reacts ,but not at the expense of said drivers safety.


OT question .Has anyone ever done a study of the serious accidents at Indy in it past that resulted in fatalities or serious injuries that due to the safer walls and other physisical changes in the actual track that could not occur now with the track in it's current form? let alone the changes in the cars. i suspect some of the current technology being used was needed before the trasck changes and may not be needed now ( or in mike conway's case may promote car actions that can be as bad as earleir crashes )




Paul

The drivers wouldn't give a toss about how it looked, as long as they had a chance of winning. Every driver I have ever known, if presented with a racing lawnmower, would get on and have a go. Pay them shedloads of money and they'll sign a contract, they may think they look odd, they may think the narrow front track will make them handle in a peculiar manner, but they are racers, so they will race.

Of course, the psychiatric profession will have a field day with talk of penile extensions - They will probably accuse De Silvestro, Duno, Fisher, and Patrick of a latent desire to punt from the Cambridge end..............

Ron Ayers, who designed Thrust SSC, said that a young woman came up to him and said to him that it was disgusting that he had created something with such a phallic shape.

One of the finest designs in nature.

ThrustSSC? Have to agree with you on that one. Oh, hang on...

SO now USF1 refugees and others will head on towards the Indy?

Kinda interesting move tho. US to develop race car engineering base.

They've already got one of them. Only it's got just about zero involvement with Indycar/LMP racing.

For anyone interested, IndyCar.com will broadcast the unveiling of the car(s)... at 12:00 ET TODAY....
http://www.indycar.com/news/show/55-izod-i...l-here-noon-et/

Charlotte, OK, I missed to type 'open wheel'..

"Your car is so ugly, it could be a modern art masterpiece!"

(if the Delta Wing will be unveiled that is)

The stream : http://www.livestream.com/indycar

music

Speedway at Nazareth is cool though

Should start in 10 minutes from now.

Not that great music either

here we go

How did they manage to turn this decision into a Verizon phone commercial

was just thinking the same thing

This is like watching some terrible reality TV.

The winner is....
Lindsey Lohan..

no, sorry wrong forum...

The winner is....
Dalarrrrra
Jp

Yawn!

Well, Dallara will be designing the new chassis for 2012. Different manufacturers will make body parts called "aerokits" on these chassis.

Dallara ... only.
With customizable body parts.

Disapointing, the car looks worse than the actual one imo ...

could purnell look any more stereotypically british?

my players format is a bit stretched so i may be jumping the gun but it doesn't look as good as mid 90's indycar. also, wheel guards?

I am glad they picked the Dallara. A team can run 2 different aerokits during 1 season.

F-Indy, I guess.
What was their design again?

Good for them to include public speaking "rookies" on stage, definitely makes the others look better

They used their brain!, I'm amazed, this is not too bad. I wonder how the teams will react though. The ideas are pretty solid as far as going along and growing the series, but the big ones were all supporters/partners of the Delta Wing.

Goodness this is like watching a boring work presentation.

Car doesn't look too bad though and very glad its not the DeltaWing.

Booooo
By customizable 'parts' I hope that means that it is a tub deal only and you could ship it off to McLaren, Swift, Lola or whoever to do your aero work...
Edit: Thank goodness they didn't use the steely dan car....

Nobody knows what the "car" looks like. The aero-kits haven't been designed

The aero package has a maximum price and has to be offered to all teams

Interesting concept to allow manufacturers to develop their own aero packages, which must then be made available to everyone.

However I wonder whether the cost limit, and the limit to two aero packages a year (oval and road-course I imagine, but does that preclude development?) will actually mean that cars get trapped with uncompetitive packages from day one.

The IRL's conclusions seem to be that their current course is the correct one, and simply with more modern specifications of the same old formula they'll return the series to profitability.

Now that's bold.

Right, but is it limited to a few manufacturers or could you hire a Newey/Red Bull or Mercedes/Brawn to run you up the bits and pieces?

Anyone can create one but it needs to be approved by Indycar

i expect nick worth might have a go at making a aero kit or too...

if dallara role out a ugly car, shits gonna hit the fan.