Greuter has a degree in flawed individuals, and he has some experience on the topic. The best example is his trolling about a man who died years ago doing something Greuter finds insignificant: driving a car. It is unfortunate but quite a few individuals are more passionate about particules than they are found of expressing any dignity.

Only one events cinema in Sydney is showing it (Macquarie centre) , heck only one in NSW...But Hoyts has a few around Sydney

Okay. First, you have been misled. While the movie does cast Prost as a villain, it is nowhere near as bad as some people on here are making out. From the way some of the people here are carrying on, I half-expected Prost to appear with horns and a devil tail every time he was on screen. And at the very end, they do acknowledge that Prost is a trustee of the Senna Foundation. So they don't make him the all-evil devil that people are making out.

What I think some people including yourself are forgetting is that Prost was no angel in any of this - neither of them were. You may find puzzling that Senna drove Prost off the road at Suzuka in 1990...I find it disgusting that Prost smashed Senna straight off the road the year before. In the movie was the first time I'd ever seen the 89 footage, and having heard reports in the realm of "Senna's fault" or "racing incident", I found myself stunned - because to me it was blatantly obvious that Prost turned in far too early and cut straight across Senna. You can't tell me he did that accidentally.

At the end of the day, the movie was sanctioned by his family; they were never going to countenance anything that painted Senna as the villain, or even as a shade of grey. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but if you were expecting them to cast Senna as a villain, you are sadly naive.




I remember sitting on the couch reading "The Life of Senna" by Tom Rubython one day and discussing it with my Dad as I did so. I recall making a comment along the lines of, "Geez, Belastre was an a$$, wasn't he?" and my Dad agreeing. After seeing the movie, I think the book was very polite to Belastre!

I especially loved Nelson Piquet's little rant at the 1990 drivers' briefing in Suzuka. That was brilliant.

I agree with you about the Imola footage. Senna's reaction is so real, so emotional. He wasn't pretending to care; he did care.


Okay, and now to the point of my post:

From today's Sydney "Daily Telegraph"

SOUTH-EAST COAST CINEMAS SHOWING SENNA


CENTRAL COAST
Avoca Beach Theatre

CANBERRA
Dendy Canberra
Hoyts Woden (k: watch out for the stupid workers. "It's not supposed to have subtitles"...)*

SYDNEY
Event Macquarie
Hoyts Entertainment Quarter
Hoyts Broadway
Hoyts Blacktown
Hoyts Warringah Mall
Reading Auburn
Palace Verona
Palace Norton St
Dendy Newtown
Randwick Ritz
Cremorne Hayden Orpheum



* - Yes, I honest-to-god got told this on Friday night. I went to go see the movie again, got to the first Portuguese interviews, no subtitles. I cheerfully go tell the guy that the subtitles aren't working, and promptly spend the next five minutes arguing with him as he (and the complex manager) both maintained "it was made documentary-style, it's not supposed to have subtitles". Eventually managed to get through their thick skulls that half the movie was in Portuguese and it would be a pretty useless exercise without them. Then they said they couldn't fix it. At least they gave me a free ticket, which I'll use to go see "Senna" again...when the stupids aren't working.

I went to the 1700 session at Woden on the 11th and that version definately had sub-titles....although a mute button for the crazy Brazilian who idolised Senna would have been nice

saw it the other night at palace cinemas in fortitude valley brisbane.

took my girlfriend who at the end of the movie still couldn't see who was prost or senna when in their cars

although for someone with no knowledge of f1 it is telling that she thought they were pretty unfair to prost.

That scene in monaco where the engine sound is off and not even the right one I believe was just... criminal. I was cringing. How could they not get that right!

Just watched it.

Wow.

That is all i can say.

Aboslutely amazing talent and an amazing person.

Saw it this week and thought it was brilliant. Not much i hadnt seen before but the film was done exceptionally well and made the story really interesting again. What a great time for Formula one, the cars, the drivers, the tracks, the drama.

Some of the footage i hadnt seen before was the Donnelly footage which was pretty confronting and interesting to see Senna's reaction.

The most interesting part for me was when they showed the footage of Ratzenberger talking to his team about how on the edge he was with that Simtek. Amazing stuff, that was something id never seen before.

Prost was a bit put down during the film. They should have shown the respect they eventually had for each other, like showing the footage on board Senna in the Williams at Imola wishing Alain well. "To my good friend Alain, We miss you."

Overall brilliant , unmissable

Maybe my recollection isn't 100% but that was Ratzenberger talking to his team about how "on the edge" Senna was in the Williams, no?
That 5-10 mins was the best part of the movie in terms of its production. It was very well done.

I went at 10:10am on the 11th at Woden and that one had subtitles too. I also went today to the 12:20 session and again, subtitles. The one on Friday night was the 2130 session and I have no idea why that one was stuffed up.

Aww, the crazy Brazilian commentator was kinda cute.



That was the very moment I started sobbing, both times. It was great to see Roland get airtime. But so, so sad, because he was just starting...




No, just came out of seeing it half-an-hour ago, definitely Roland referring to his own car.



If I was Gerhard Berger I'd be feeling a little miffed. Senna's best friend in the paddock and his name wasn't even mentioned, just his face in a few bits of podium footage and at the funeral.

What I was told my Manish Pandey is that they tried to get hold of Berger for almost 2 years, but they got no reply from him...

I can barely imagine that, considering the friendship going on between AS and GB.

Ah, how odd, though. I'd have thought he'd have wanted to be in on it, but maybe he doesn't like to talk about it any more. A shame. They mentioned that McLaren was more harmonious in 1990 but they didn't say why, which could have been fun - some light-heartedness in the middle of it all.

I took a weekend in New York to attend the premiere and surrounding events. It has a wider release in the US next week.

My impressions on the film in light of the comments here and elsewhere: I only know Senna and that era of motor racing from what i have read on the internet, in books, and from this film so i cannot have the same perspective as those who actively followed Senna's career at the time.

It is clear that the film borders on hero worship that can only come about when someone has died so tragically and publicly. It is an amazing human drama which is portrayed spectacularly by Asif Kapada. Even from the get go I found the film to be extremely emotional. The whole time you are presented with incredible blood pumping footage and noise quickly followed by tragedy and horror. SPOILERS:


one scene in particular where this occurs is the Donnely incident in Jerez. There is a beautiful, stunning shot of the yellow car accompanied by spine tingling sound then, confusion and a shot of a body on the track next to the disintegrated car. The close up of Senna's helmet from the on board camera is another stand out shot for me. The vivid colors and the Monaco skyline flashing in the background produce some of the best pictures I have ever seen in a cinema.

The cliche "emotional roller coaster" certainly applies to this movie. You see all of the joy and adversity that Senna faced all while knowing what is to come. You are aware throughout the movie that it will culminate in the violent death of a revered human being.

The french are certainly portrayed as the villains, but at the same time Ayrton's own arrogance and ego in some of his interviews is not completely ignored.

I can only say that I loved this movie. I recognize that it left out a lot of the relationship and reconciliation between Prost and Senna, but this is a story about a 'hero' which inevitably takes on a different perspective than a traditional documentary.

some shots from the weekend:






more here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/goodduck/sets...ith/6043313763/
and here
http://strassenversion.blogspot.com/2011/0...-york-city.html


edit:

also a video of Q and A in the theater with Manish Pandey and John Bisignano:
poor video quality but the sound is fine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwO4g008Q0

Was berger senna's friend or senna's butler?
Guess friendship is a relationship based on equal status between the two parties.
The way berger was humiliated at suzuka 91 (and the way he let that happen) it's quite sobering.

Senna and Berger used to go a lot on vacation together, I thought they were friends, but thanks to your brilliant insight view we now know he was Senna's butler
thank you so much for this incredible information and for coming back to the Senna movie thread... you must have a soft spot for him, you keep writing so much about him ;)

You are an idiot...We all know you hate Senna as you openly confessed in other threads.. There is no need to come and spoil the parties with your gibberish for those who appreciate Senna. The thread is about the movie, and you managed to take the discussion off-course with your usual crap views on Senna. Piss off.

Time for News Yorkers to go check it out.

Does anybody knows if Senna will be screened in Houston Texas.

Found it on sennamovie.com site.
Aug 26/Friday AMC studio 30.

Has Gerhard ever spoken negatively about this, or is this just speculation? If I remembered correctly, Gerhard looked pretty happy after that race.

Gerhard actually said openly in "The Life of Senna" (and probably elsewhere) that he had no problem with Suzuka '91. He was just happy to win. They were friends - they went on holidays together, spent a lot of time together even at different teams. No-one else on the grid could have got away with some of things Gerhard did to him, that's for sure. Gerhard was one of the pallbearers at Senna's funeral for sure, and was also the first person Senna went to when he decided they needed to reform the GPDA after Roland's death.

I was actually very sad about Gerhard's absence from the movie. He always has good stories and the emotion is real, genuine.

OK, I will probably be massacred again because of returning again here.
Nevertheless, I do have a question about the movie that is intended seriously, I have no hidden intentions with it, but I am a bit curious about the following and I will explain why.

I was at Indianapolis in May 1994 and I do remember how some of the Brazilian drivers out there spoke with the press about their thoughts regarding Senna's death. The two most outspoken drivers I recall were Fittipaldi and Mauricio Gugelmin. Fitti, being one of the drivers of that Penske-Mercedes (that loophole engine) was of course much targetted by the press because of his engine. Emmo was a factor in Senna's testdrive with the Penske Indycar between the 92 and 93 seasons.
I know that Senna wanted Gugelmin as a teammate at Lotus (which was unacceptable for that UltraBritish team to have two Brazilians) so he was (at least for a while) on good terms with Mauricio.

Then, it is also well known that he was on good terms with Thierry Boutsen.
The '95 Indy500 yearbook (indeed, the one about the 1995 race) also had a number of positive comments about Senna from Michael Andretti, which suggests that they were on fairly good terms.
So apart from Berger, here are at least four other driversin good standings with Senna that could have been brought into the movie script

With Gerhard Berger not "participating" in the movie, I wonder, is there any input of any kind by Fettipaldi, Gugelmin Michael Andretti and/or Boutsen ?


Henri

Guys...how about we stop character assasinating Gerhard over what a couple of filmakers allege??? (they wouldn't have a publicity agenda in this regard would they??)

How do you know how often or even when they might have "tried" to get in touch with him???

Yep, there could be plenty of reasons anywhichway why Berger doesn't feature in the film. And what does it matter anyway? He has said his part about their relationship more than once elsewhere.

I think it would be awful if the filmmakers didn't try to get Gerhard into this. Unfortunately with how many times Gerhard has normally talked about him and Ayrton, I do find it really hard to believe that he didn't give them a reply for two years.

To be honest, I think that Gerhard has more reasons than many to decline or pass on cooperation in the movie, whatever the manner he decided to do so and/or made that known.

I would not be surprised if of all drivers at Imola that weekend in '94, he was likely the one who was affected the most of all because of all the things that happened that weekend, including Roland and Barrichello. Remember what happened to him 5 years before, also driving a Ferrari like in '94.
May '94 must have been horrible on him.

henri

Yes, and I've read that he was allowed to visit Senna in the hospital in Bologna after the accident when Senna was still alive (allegedly). He was told that he had to prepare himself for that he was going to see because of the serious condition Ayrton was in. (his head was like a purple basketball at least this was said by somebody who was able to see him as well...). So I guess Gerhard buried the whole weekend deep in himself, and I have never heard him talking about it very sincererly...only phrases...GB seems to me a very positive person with full of passion for life and joy so this may be his attitude and way of approach towards this dreadful experience.

The relevant passage from "The Life of Senna" by Tom Rubython, Chapter 20, "The James Bond Years: Three Golden Seasons with Gerhard". It's mostly an interview with Gerhard interspersed with narrative.



Poor Gerhard also has to deal with the fact that he caught on fire at that corner and lived, and Ayrton died. Same chapter:




(Seriously, this book is awesome, just saying.)

If you people have not seen the almost 3 hour version of this movie i stress that you do, it shoqs all the things they couldnt put in the movie that was released in cinemas cos it was too long, but it covers alpt more of senna/prost and their reunited friendship in 94, added with alot of other more interesting bits, i can understand why they shortened it for cinemas, but go see the full length!

How can I get the full version?

I had a good laugh at this NY Post review.

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/movi...s&FEEDNAME=

Disliking the film is fine but its pretty clear this overpaid hack didn't even see it.

Hey I'll be watching the Senna movie on Saturday and ESPN F1 commentator John Bisignano will be there in Philadelphia for Q&A. It be cool seeing John in person for the first time. Plus it bring back memories of my youth of Formula 1 since 1988 Japan my first race I ever watch. I remember the days when the cars rolled off for the formation lap and Bob Varsha will ask John Bisignano what the last minute updates the teams did to the cars. And I think John read off what Teams did change what they didn't change. I hope it's a good movie because everybody has been raving about the Senna movie.

enjoy!
I travelled to London to see a special screening begin May... I met Sid Watkins (Fantastisc person) Jackie Stewart, Martin Brundle, some mechanics of Senna's Lotus days, some McLaren mechanics, Mark Blundell and even Terry Fullerton...(and the producers of the movie too)
was a fantastic evening

I burst into howls of laughter at "uninteresting dope". Senna, an uninteresting dope!? Now I know he did not even watch it!




Enjoy, as I know you will!

But if you do see Mr. Bisignano there, will you please do me a favour, and tell him that "Prost" is pronounced with the short "o", not as "Proast"? It got rather irritating after a while. He could pronounce Ayrton's first name correctly - a much harder feat - and yet a surname as simple as Prost was mangled.

I just watch on my old F1 races and I notice the same thing. Darn it, it's like watching the 1982 Las Vegas GP. That's when everybody on the telecast was calling Michele Alboreto, Michael.

Walked into a store to buy a bag for the vacuum cleaner, and what do I see marked on sale - the blu-ray version of the movie!!! I'm a happy camper, and once my kid is asleep, my evening is taken care of.

Well I saw the movie today in Philly and also John Bisignano in person and he still looks the same after all these years. I shook his hand in the lobby after the 4:10 showing, but before that. I ask him a question about after the races at Imola & Monza and how crazy was it. You can see his eyes light up talking about and his passion of Formula 1. When the movie got to San Marino Grand Prix weekend and seeing those accidents made me tear up. Overall it was a great movie and I hope everybody gets to see the movie and tell your friends, like I’m going to do. My only regret was not having my picture taken with John after the little Q & A session in the lobby. Afterwards I was talking to someone about Formula 1 for like an hour or it seems like an hour. I don’t know, but I thoroughly enjoy the conversation. And maybe next Saturday I watch the movie again. Plus I want to thank Bob Varsha, David Hobbs, & John Bisignano for doing a great job together during the telecasts. Thanks!!!!!!!

Formula 1 fan since 1988 Japan

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lucky you! I have a feeling it's going to be very hard to find out here.




The movie is magic like that. Don't worry mate I've been to see it twice already at the cinema and am strongly tempted to go a third time.

Just saw the movie here in Miami... Very emotional, and very excellent. I'm going to go again and hopefully bring some friends with no interest in the sport to give them an idea of why I have such passion for Formula 1. Saw a couple Nacional hats on heads in the movie theater, that was kinda cool. The best I could do was my Massa t-shirt with a large Brazilian flag on the back

I felt sorry for Bisignano, he plays a HUGE role in the full length, but in the cinematic version hes barely there, same with all the others, the French guy, the British Journo aswell, and some CRUCIAL parts weren't added into the movie, I mean, the full length has a good hour of Prost interview nearly and i don't even think, other than a few words, he was in the cinematic release.

I have seen the cinematic once and the full length three times, and, had tears running down my face each time I've seen it, and for days after it just had this sense of emotional outburst, even after 17 years I still always ask myself, why, why did he have to get in the car that day why couldn't they abandon the race. And in the full length, John Bisignano alludes as to why he did...

Had the opposite intended result for me. Friends were disgusted with how much the "sport" is all politics and money. The movie made Senna look good, but not Formula 1.

Saw the movie last week and while it was great to see F1 on the big screen, the movie itself was unbelievably biased. They made Senna out to be a naive idealist, bullied by all. Still entertaining, but very, very one sided.

Just got a ticket for the opening show on Friday in Scottsdale, AZ! Can't wait- should be an interesting audience too. Being from Iowa, you don't get a big group of F1 fans together very often ;)

SKL where is it being shown in Scottsdale?

One slightly critical note that may have already been mentioned earlier in the thread... The sounds of the cars were sometimes clearly dubbed in for effect rather than using the actual audio track, particularly in the turbo cars. It seemed that the producers wanted all the cars to have the visceral scream of the '89-'94 V10s and V12s, so they used those sounds for everything, even when not accurate. It was particularly noticeable during the '88 Monaco onboard lap, the engine revs and shifting didn't even match what he was doing on film. Oh well, it also caught my attention that when the commentator was announcing the start of the 1991 Brazilian GP, what was being shown on the screen was the field pulling away to start its formation lap, hence all the mechanics on the side of the track. Besides that I couldn't fault it ;)

I haven't seen the full length version yet but I have seen the cinema version twice, and it had exactly the same effect on me. The first time I saw the film, I couldn't stop thinking about it for ages afterwards. That weekend at Imola was surreal, even now I wonder how and why it happened. I have already ordered the DVD even if it makes for bittersweet viewing...

I've been to see it at the cinema twice and I started bawling at the same point both times: when Roland talks about how difficult his car is to drive.

I'm considering going a third time. I'm trying to drag my dad.

You really need to see the 2hr40min version to really appreciate every aspect of the movie, es it has rough cut aways from the movie scenes but t has so much more that everyone is missing, Prost gives so much more insight to their relationship together, I can't stress enough for everyone to see the full length!

Did you read the caption on the picture?

Apparently Senna "died in a fiery crash"

David- Scottsdale location- Harkin Camelview, starts Friday at 11- I'm going to the first showing. Hoping they have some posters...