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DieGrueneHoelle
another boring tilke track will come, yawn. perhaps they can find a big parking area from walmart and then paint some white color et voila, race track is ready and with lots of tarmac run-off , yeah redface.gif

let them race in watkins glen with the good old loop...
gaston_foix
I will have preferred something like the eastern coast, but I'm glad anyway that Formula1 will be back in US. Next target for Bernie must be France...
pgj
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ May 25 2010, 19:24) *
this has potential, come on, could be fun:



That is upside down. It's the Batmobile!

It will be interesting to see what ticket prices are going to be set at. It will give some indication as to how much Bernie has asked for the franchise.
Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (pgj @ May 26 2010, 16:25) *
That is upside down. It's the Batmobile!


I can assure you that the batmobile wasn't in my mind when I drew that. I aint even a batman fan, Superman rules!

Yea ticket prices sure will be interesting indeed.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (DieGrueneHoelle @ May 26 2010, 16:08) *
another boring tilke track will come, yawn. perhaps they can find a big parking area from walmart and then paint some white color et voila, race track is ready and with lots of tarmac run-off , yeah redface.gif

If I had a dollar for every time I explained why Tilke is not the problem with circuits ... well, I'd be able to host my own Grand Prix.
Heasven
Wow Holy Mother eek.gif

I still can't believe it. Formula one back in the US and in Austin of all places. Amazing News.

Austin is less than a 2 hour drive from Houston which is the 4 largest city here in the states and it's very close to Dallas as well. Unlike what many people think, Austin is not a hillbilly town. It is completely the opposite. Austin is a college town that leaves and breathes Texas longhorn footbal ( American footbal ) and where you can find the most beautiful girls in Texas. I don't know what else could I say as I'm still shocked with this news but Austin is a young, liberal town and I just can't imagine how wild 6th street could get with all the parties going on on race weekend.


I really hope they can pull this off but where the heck will they build the track ?? I sure hope they use the hills that surround the city as it could give the track a great characteristic.


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Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (Heasven @ May 26 2010, 16:28) *
and where you can find the most beautiful girls in Texas.


Talk about a slice of Heasven huh? biggrin.gif
Cr0aker
QUOTE (MattPete @ May 26 2010, 02:48) *
I guess you were too young to live through Nixon's price and wage freezes.

Give him time. The man is just getting started. frown.gif
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Heasven @ May 26 2010, 16:28) *
where you can find the most beautiful girls in Texas.

I can find some of the most beautiful girls in my uniersity at Austin College. It doesn't mean I go looking for them.
pacwest


Population density. I think this would be a very well attended race. Not to mention the pull from Canada and Mexico. Easy frequent flyer miles for many people.
Henrytheeigth
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 26 2010, 16:42) *
I can find some of the most beautiful girls in my uniersity at Austin College. It doesn't mean I go looking for them.


Thank God they are everywhere mostly lol
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Henrytheeigth @ May 26 2010, 17:05) *
Thank God they are everywhere mostly lol

Aye. Austin College is known as Chlamydia College for a reason ... but I digress, I have no real point.
BRK
Where'd that come from?! Would never have guessed Texas. Keep up the good work,Bernie. Always good to have a US GP back on the calendar.
pacwest
http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/05/26/us-gp-p...stin-locations/

Speaking to Austin’s Statesman newspaper, Hellmund added that he had been talking to Bernie Ecclestone since 1999 – before the first race at Indy- and had begun serious discussions four years ago. He said that the bid process alone had cost $1m.

“I got 18,000 e-mails in three minutes,” he said of the announcement. ”Austin is more of an F1 crowd than a NASCAR crowd. The geography, the tech money, the nightlife, the music. It all just fits with what Formula One is all about.”
RC127
QUOTE (nestor @ May 26 2010, 02:10) *
all I can say i s that people here in Austin is getting excited , many tv local news are reporting : " world class racing is coming to town " on the news tonight ...


http://news8austin.com/content/top_stories...in?ap=1&MP4
RC127
In all seriousness, couldn't Tilke GmbH adapt the following for the circuit designs - imagine the locals would love such a gimmicky feature?


Captain Tightpants
Vomit, vomit, vomit.
Gemini
I suspect race will be held in last part of the season. It makes that teams just pack up and start their travel around the globe. Brazil/Korea/Abu Dhabi. It makes sense USA is added to that route, rather than making it back to back with Canada when the weather in Texas will be so unfriendly to stay on on grandstand for most of the day.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Gemini @ May 26 2010, 18:16) *
I suspect race will be held in last part of the season. It makes that teams just pack up and start their travel around the globe. Brazil/Korea/Abu Dhabi. It makes sense USA is added to that route, rather than making it back to back with Canada when the weather in Texas will be so unfriendly to stay on on grandstand for most of the day.

According to local Austin news, the race is to be held early in the American summer.
Xpat
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 26 2010, 09:25) *
According to local Austin news, the race is to be held early in the American summer.


Now let's not get started with that! It will be summer for everyone in the northern hemisphere, not just American summer. wink.gif

If it is in June or July the average temperature is 90F-95F (32C-35C) and it is humid. That isn't much different than the conditions in Malaysia I don't think.

A night race would be interesting.

Wouldn't it make sense from a travel perspective to start the race season in the Asian region (Australia, China, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea) then move to the mid-east (Bahrain, UAE), then Europe, and finally the America's? I suspect Monaco in mid to late May is the sticking point on a lot of the dates.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Xpat @ May 26 2010, 19:08) *
Wouldn't it make sense from a travel perspective to start the race season in the Asian region (Australia, China, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea) then move to the mid-east (Bahrain, UAE), then Europe, and finally the America's? I suspect Monaco in mid to late May is the sticking point on a lot of the dates.

I've always wondered why they don't just do that. But then, you get circuits like Bahrain and Abu Dhabi that pay extra to be the season opener and finale.
Redstorm
QUOTE (Xpat @ May 26 2010, 04:08) *
Now let's not get started with that! It will be summer for everyone in the northern hemisphere, not just American summer.wink.gif

If it is in June or July the average temperature is 90F-95F (32C-35C) and it is humid. That isn't much different than the conditions in Malaysia I don't think.

A night race would be interesting.

Wouldn't it make sense from a travel perspective to start the race season in the Asian region (Australia, China, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea) then move to the mid-east (Bahrain, UAE), then Europe, and finally the America's? I suspect Monaco in mid to late May is the sticking point on a lot of the dates.

Cant and wont work......would show logic and reasoning roflmao.gif stoned.gif roflmao.gif
Marbles
As a US citizen, it's a pleasure to know that I have good company in my alleged close-mindeness and ignorance.

If you're unfamiliar with Austin, check out Austin City Limits on the web. It's kinda like the Peel show, but with roots.

As your county of origin likely derives its popular music by way of Austin, it should be a familiar listen.

Henrytheeigth
lol RC127! lol.gif it sure looks like a Tilke design! Well the left and top part anyway. Can't wait till we see the final layout! I wish I could attend the inaugural event as well.
anbeck
I had been hoping for some Watkins-Glenish indian summer impressions!! ohwell.gif

Probably they chose a venue not too far away from the Gulf of Mexico because of the easily accessible petrol reserves...
MichaelJP
Problem as usual with a "new F1 purpose built facility" is:

- Has to be near a big airport
- Airports are generally built on flat land
- Don't blame Tilke but it's impossible to build an interesting circuit built on a rectangle of flat land, despite curly-corner gimmicks
- World class facility just means the infrastructure for teams and media will be modern and efficient. Hooray for them.

Finally, for the TV viewer (i.e. most of us) one flat Tilkedrome is very much like another. Doesn't matter where it is in the world, all that affects is the race start time.

Personally I'd rather see a street circuit or one of the USA's proper circuits used (Sears Point, Watkins Glen, Road America, Laguna Seca etc.)
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (MichaelJP @ May 26 2010, 20:22) *
- Don't blame Tilke but it's impossible to build an interesting circuit built on a rectangle of flat land, despite curly-corner gimmicks

One word: Silverstone.

It's got some gradient, but it's built on an airfield, so most of it is flat.
Henrytheeigth
I'm bored -



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ArnageWRC
The curse of modern F1 - Style over substance! It will undoubtably have great facilities - but the actual track will be no good for F1. Just like Yas Marina.
While it's nice to think it could have gone to a 'proper' US track - imagine the butchering of Watkins Glen, Road America, and even Lime Rock Park.... wink.gif
TimEaston
Can someone please tell me how they plan to build a new race track from scratch in less than tow years?

Joking apart I think a good design would be to mirror the state of Texas with the addition of a hairpin bend on the left towards the top.
BrokenBaculum
I've quickly cooked up a little impression of where the track could go and what it could look like:



As usual the circuit is red, the pitlane is yellow and the paddock and grandstands are blue. This particular layout is to the east of the Airport and runs anti-clockwise.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (TimEaston @ May 26 2010, 21:00) *
Can someone please tell me how they plan to build a new race track from scratch in less than tow years?

With machines.

Abu Dhabi and South Korea are doing theirs in the space of eighteen months.
TimEaston
QUOTE (BrokenBaculum @ May 26 2010, 12:01) *
I've quickly cooked up a little impression of where the track could go and what it could look like:



As usual the circuit is red, the pitlane is yellow and the paddock and grandstands are blue. This particular layout is to the east of the Airport and runs anti-clockwise.


That looks like a good track I think they should put the grandstands over the run off areas like in Singapore. Also why can't there be grandstands inside the track as all grandstands seem to be outsite the track.
TimEaston
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 26 2010, 12:02) *
With machines.

Abu Dhabi and South Korea are doing theirs in the space of eighteen months.


Yes but at least they had a site arranged and everything ready to go before the deal was announced the Austin, Texas one seems to have been announced without any site being mentioned.
johnmhinds
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 26 2010, 12:02) *
With machines.

Abu Dhabi and South Korea are doing theirs in the space of eighteen months.


Abu Dhabi and South Korea have the advantage of cheap south asian labour and government backing which pushed everything through the planning departments with no fuss.

The chances of a new track in the US being funded, designed and built in 2 years are zero.

Bernie is just using it as another bargaining chip against IMS.
Xpat
If only Texas was close to a huge pool of cheap foreign labor......
johnmhinds
QUOTE (Xpat @ May 26 2010, 12:15) *
If only Texas was close to a huge pool of cheap foreign labor......


Yeah, I doubt mexicans are going to work for $50 a month like the south asian labourers do in the middle east...
MichaelJP
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 26 2010, 11:28) *
One word: Silverstone.

It's got some gradient, but it's built on an airfield, so most of it is flat.


Silverstone is OK, but suffers from the same problems as any flat wide circuit. It just has a lot of heritage. When we had the choice back in the 80s I used to much prefer Brands Hatch set in its natural bowl.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ May 26 2010, 21:09) *
Bernie is just using it as another bargaining chip against IMS.

Unlikely, given the Texans who have weighed in on the race. The Mayor of Austin, the state comptroller, the govenor of Texas and the race promoter have all had something to say. If Bernie broke contract just to make IMS jump through hoops, there would be serious legal ramifications and it would kill any chance of re-establishing the United States Grand Prix.

Besides, Bernie has never announced one race to force another venue to do something before. Why start now?
Marbles
QUOTE (TimEaston @ May 26 2010, 07:00) *
Can someone please tell me how they plan to build a new race track from scratch in less than tow years?


Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, recently constructed a billion dollar stadium for the Cowboys, in less than two years.

In Texas, ideas happen...quickly. Very, very, quickly.

For the modest sum of $500 million "Jerrah" Jones built the largest HD screen in the world in New Texas Stadium, and had change left over for the other side.

Things get done in Texass, quickly.

Sausage
I don't get it. What was wrong with Indy? Obviously this location will be abandoned again after 2 or 3 years.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Sausage @ May 26 2010, 21:22) *
I don't get it. What was wrong with Indy? Obviously this location will be abandoned again after 2 or 3 years.

Brnie doesn't like it, he doesn'tlike the management and he doesn't like the city.
Buttoneer
Please can posters avoid bigoted thoughtless anti-American comments, it's just trolling. This is about the Texas F1 announcement, not what you might think people in Texas are like.
Clatter
QUOTE (Sausage @ May 26 2010, 12:22) *
I don't get it. What was wrong with Indy? Obviously this location will be abandoned again after 2 or 3 years.


What's so difficult to understand? Indy wasn't willing to pay the price.
PayasYouRace
QUOTE (RC127 @ May 26 2010, 09:11) *
In all seriousness, couldn't Tilke GmbH adapt the following for the circuit designs - imagine the locals would love such a gimmicky feature?



There's potential there.



This looks like it would be a fast, exciting circuit. Turns 4, 6-7, 10-11 would be fun to drive.
stormshadow
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ May 26 2010, 16:39) *
Abu Dhabi and South Korea have the advantage of cheap south asian labour and government backing which pushed everything through the planning departments with no fuss.

The chances of a new track in the US being funded, designed and built in 2 years are zero.

Bernie is just using it as another bargaining chip against IMS.

Not the Indian GP - no govt backing and totally a private venture. Well i suppose its the only exception among the new tracks.
stormshadow
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 26 2010, 17:02) *
Please can posters avoid bigoted thoughtless anti-American comments, it's just trolling. This is about the Texas F1 announcement, not what you might think people in Texas are like.

How can people not like Texas, their steak is the best! clap.gif
Owen
Reading between the lines on this; let's not f*ck it up
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83884
UPRC
QUOTE (PayasYouRace @ May 26 2010, 08:38) *
There's potential there.



This looks like it would be a fast, exciting circuit. Turns 4, 6-7, 10-11 would be fun to drive.

Agreed! Quite a cool idea.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Owen @ May 26 2010, 21:56) *
Reading between the lines on this; let's not f*ck it up
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83884

I don't think there's so much of a subtext to it as there is a text.
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