Would be nice with some shots from the FP on Friday when they were running with a supersoft rollbar and the unloaded wheel was almost standstill when it was hanging in the air around T4-T5-T6.

So glad RBR threw it all away in Korea. Thats KARMA for their flexi wings

The karma doesn't bite on the Ferrari it seems.

the flexi-wings no one can prove, just like the variable ride height nobody could prove?

Do you think the other teams have figured out what Red Bull have done to create their "flexi" front wing yet?

If not, we could well be in for more Red Bull domination as the difuser advantage goes next year...

KARMA indeed.

H2H

Flexi-wings/under-trays were the reason why Red Bull dominated this season and if the other teams want any chance next season they have to be more flexible.

A curious feature of the Red Bull RB7 has emerged, when the team is making set up changes at the front of the car, wing settings for example. It also changes the bolts holding the nose in place. This is not a straight swap however, the team seems to have specific bolts for specific setups, suggesting that each bolt set is for a specific range of aero loads. The more conspiratorial amongst us suggests that this is all to do with the front of the car flexing, but it simply could be something much simpler. What is certain is that Red Bull’s mechanics take great care that the right bolts are used for each setup.


http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/red-bull-rb7/

So now there is this speculation that the nose cone to bend from the mounting point and the screws has spring system... huummm...mmmm mmmm legal? safe?

Legal. No idea, probably down to interpretation.

Safe. Well if they are doing it no nose has fallen off yet.

Whatever Red Bull are doing it is very clever. I am still amazed by how much they can pull out for Q3 and their outright downforce.

Fixed.

When did they have a nose fall off due to failure at the attachment points?

I think the car is fast anywhere due to a more simple reason, rather than "flexing" or similar stuff.

The whole overall package of the car is quite simply very good. That means engine cover, sidepods shape, the gearbox position, the sacrifice of having non or half working KERS (a device that doesn't exactly fit, apparently), etc, are contributing to an excellent package.

I simply believe that they explore every aspect of the car possible, especially the EBD, which is an evolution of 2010, where they also had a superior package, and only reliability issues prevented them from winning the title earlier.

Did we expect RBR to be that fast on Monza or Spa - a traditionally inconvenient tracks for them? Personally I didn't expect them to be that good, but here you go.
Unless their opponents are as smart as them, 2012 will be a repeat.

Nose is a integrated of crushable structure, so must not fall of at any time while racing, isn't it? At Any Corners as well.

Call me mad, but I've long thought they have been flexing at the nose/body interface somehow, god knows how... its very very clever whatever it is

Nah, its not falling off. That's just the front of the car flexing.

read a bit more about silverstone 2010, will you?

Read a bit more about Sarcasm, will you?

I have to admit I will be laughing my ass off if after a bazillion theories about aero elastic materials, springs, voodoo and god knows what else the answer turns out to be ... different bolts

well, the bolts have to be elastic then
you can't have any part of the car flex in a controlled matter..unless you actually control some flex in any component it may sound dumb, I can't explain it better
so if the "nose" flexes, just the wing, the whole dam car or some bolts it's still difficult to implement

I doubt they are just your average everyday bolt though - perhaps special elastanium ones?

Edit: Bah! MikeTekRacing beat me to it...

Surely if the bolts were flexing enough to give the movement that some of the photos have shown there would be a noticeable gap across the top joint.

ah, sorry then.

Well in Silverstone 2010 the bolts failed in Vettel's car, was is the first time that kind of incident happened?

Stupid teams... RBR have:

1) Interconnected suspensions rear-front(the load on the nose cone at the front,comes from the rear suspension arm travel when rear dowforce increases)
2) a KERS that put load on the engine underbraking in order to use "more" fuel to keep the engine running while cold blowing.

hey, i'm joking.. ehm not 100% though..

facts are RbR suspensions are weird, and their KERS is just not like other teams KERS. go figure.. mine are just suppositions that could be illegal, but we know if you are clever enough, even illegal things can become legal.

No, It might be an Fisher's Plug (at DIY shop) types of click-it-on-plugs made out of materials that works like torsion bar...

How amazingly Heath Robinson would that be? Bolts.


Maybe the EBD uses a hair dryer too.

ScarbsF1 Can anyone at Autosport confirm if Mark Hughes is going to cover the red bull nose bolts in tomorrows magazine?
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Might be an interesting read (if they do cover it)

You can now build your own flexing T-tray.
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/a...e-saw-solution/

If like this, the it should not see-saw as it is hard to bend from the force from the bottom. If it easily see-saw there is another device in place, which should be either mass-damper or aidig a movable aero-device. so I do not see it?

COULD someone help?

there was a definate edge to the witness marks on the plank of Webbers Monza car indicating its being bent somehow

Flexi-flexi on Ferrari 2012 development wing!

Thats nowt compared to what the RBR wing is doing!

Looks like Button is running very low on pressure.
Edit: Yep that must be flat tire. Look how much higher the front wing is on the other end.

No that's a loaded tyre not a flat (hence the dip on the front wing)

^ That might put the cat among the pigeons.

The FIA believe theyve gotten a handle on the current flexi-wings. If RB decide that it is big enough of an advantage they will have their carbon fibre technicians experimenting on new laying techniques to beat the new FIA tests. Ferrari will work on trying to get hold of this new RB wing.

The FIA will always be chasing their tail on matters like this as the best technicians almost always work for the teams.

I dont believe Ferrari intended to integrate the flexi wing into their car. I believe they intentionally built the wing more flexible than it needed to be just to force the fia to deal with the issue. Hopefully they do and we wont see these ridiculous wings next year.