Its widely reported as fact by the media.
Mosley:


Of course we now know that Alonso went ahead and gave it. After 9 months of using it! with emails in spanish to De La Rosa!

But since Alonso fans won't accept the blackmail aspect because it understandably puts Alonso in very bad light lets work backwards.

Why did Dennis phone Mosley and grass up his own team? Some of you obviously have a view that differs from the widely media reported version of events so lets hear its plausibility.

It's gotta be good cause there's no way you cut your own throat like Dennis did.

Just think for a moment what kind of "sportsman" Alonso is.

It is noted that Alonso also never refuted the blackmail aspect despite EVERY media stating the story in that manner.

so mosley is presenting the view of dennis, and not what really happened, alonso already said that this is not true!


a great one, even if he is mistreated he is still capable of driving superbly (beating hamilton 10:7 on track in 2007)

No it's not

Why is every sentence perceived as a slight on Alonso? It's not. McLaren split the strategy on the cars. If there had been an early safety car, there is every possibility that Hamilton could have won. No I'm not saying 'Alonso is shit' I'm saying McLaren took the decision to ensure that one or the other driver would win regardless of how the race went in the early stages.

You understand that this post isn't saying Alonso is shit don't you?

You think alonso expected hamilton to be as quick as he was?
I expect alonso thought he was going to macca to be there Number 1 driver and bring home the WDC for then...quite reasonably as I presume that's what macca expected too.
Hamilton's pace and ability is where all the problems start from.
I don't think alonso is fragile enough to be put off his stride just because his team celebrated the other driver more, however combine that with being rattled by a rookie teammate's ability and being unable to rationalise that the same rookie might be able to beat him fair and square and you have a more potent mix.
I don't think either alonso or hamilton's psyche allows them to believe another driver has beaten them in a straight fight in the same equipment.

Are you serious?

Alonso went toe to toe with Schumi and beat him but was beaten by hamilton because of 'psychlogical favouritism'?
Give me a break, the guy is a 2xWDC and was given a WDC capable car.

so was kovas speed in the first races (2008) and after the crash his speed diminished.

sure hamilton is fast. but would he be that fast too, if he wasnt favoured, or if he was treated like alonso was. I doubt on that.

Mosley was presenting his account of that telephone conversation. So you have a few options:

1. Mosley's account was made up and the telephone conversation did not go how he stated

2. Mosley's account is true, but Dennis was lying in the telephone conversation

3. Mosley's account is true and Dennis was telling the truth in that telephone conversation

If you think it is options 1 or 2, I would like you to explain why either:

(a) if 1, why Mosley lied on this aspect; or

(b) if 2, why Dennis would call Mosley and make this up - it being what ultimately led to his team being incriminated.

against schumi he drove with a team in his back that supported him
against lewis he drove with a team that mistreated him!
and yes i am serious that the psychology of a driver is one if not the most important thing about being fast!

Rubbish because the only thing Alonso could not handle that was VERY UNEXPECTED was that Hamilton had too much raw speed. Thats why he got soo desperate like T1 Canda 2007.

it doesnt matter what i think, the think is alonso is saying something different and he wasnt proven wrong,
alonso responding on dennis and mosley

Go watch that race again. After his pit stop, Alonso was as fast as LH 'on fumes', he had no chance at all to jump him by stopping later

he handled it well, he beated hamilton 10 times (and hamilton alonso just 7 times, although he was psychologically favoured!)

Hmmm, alonso didn't seem to sure the team was supporting him all the time did he?
And mistreated how? By not celebrating as much and then refusing to make him number one driver over his teammate?
Alonso fans who think that he was completely undermined by macca in 2007 and holds no blame are as delusional as hamilton fans who bought the english media line that alonso was the devil. to be honest I bought that line in 2007 but have since revised it and have a lot of respect for alonso.

I'm 100% sure that if alonso was in the same situation again he'd react differently and that he would admit he should have handled it differently (same goes for lewis and he has, same goes for macca and they have).

I wish I could locate a great article I read on the subject that discusses racing driver's psychology and why mclaren were basically stuffed as soon as lewis showed his pace but I can't.

I'm sure that would be a great comfort to him as he contemplates the 2007 WDC table.
I'm also sure that if lewis didn't have that mechanical problem in brazil he'd have been gutted at winning the WDC but being 10-7 down to alonso.

You're a pretty funny guy. You just make claims that based on 0% evidence as if they were true. While the FIA has refuted any claims of favoritism inside Mclaren. ( and they studied Mclaren how they were dealign with both Alonso and Lewis )

Lewis has beaten Kubica and Vettel in F3 so he's really that good

Guess which driver has proven to be favoured in the team, and I'm not talking about MS It's Alonso. His teammate was even asked by his team to crash the car so that Alonso could win.

That's what I find so funny, trying to attack Lewis based on 0% evidence while Alonso has been proven to be the #1 at Renault.

nice post, (at least some parts)
the thing is, from the managers point of view. if you want the best out of your team, than treat everybody equally, once an imbalance comes into a team it is very hard to cope with it. the thing started in malaysia with wasnt that imprortant (wouldnt that have happened, what happened in monaco), where the imbalance was obvious and lasted for the whole season.

the funny one is you.
please tell me how can psychological favourism/mistreatment be measured and sanctione by the fia?



maybe they didnt favour hamilton against heikki or against button, but that doesnt mean they didnt favoured lewis in 2007 against alonso.
and if alonso felt so, he knows why, and he stated it. Alonso cant be punished, if the british press didnt print, what alonso was saying on that topic!

By balanced do you mean for example don't tell one driver to move over for another....as mclaren didn't during the US grand prix in 2007? Or perhaps you mean alternate the best strategy as they did throughout the year?

and i am sure if alonso hadnt that technical failure in france, alonso would have won, and of the fia hadnt penalized him in hungary even more comfortably!

i mean with it, never let the impression be widespread that one of your drivers was favoured although he didnt need it, because he was fastest on all 3 days in monaco 2007!
and never let the impression that a win is less worth than a second place as it happened in malaysia 2007
i mean things like that.

Right,, well it's interesting to see that delusional alonso fans and delusional hamilton fans have something in common as some of the the latter have been examining how much whitmarsh celebrates button's wins compared to hamilton's.

For clarity, I'm not calling alonso or hamilton fans delusional, I'm referring to the minority of their fans who are delusional.

Not the fans but the man himself. In a private conversation he said he was robbed by the Brits. Call it paranoia if you want but I guess he knows better than you.

and if hamilton were spanish (not perfect speakling and undestanding english (jokes)), and his girlfriend wont be allowed to come into box (like alonsos girlfriedn in australia 2007, i think it was there) thinks would be much more dramatical!



even if you were, it doesnt matter, it is just your opinion!

So that would be a private conversation with you then would it?

I've never undestood this, does anyone know more about it?

I've heard it several times, that they move to the renault box. Was this purely because the team were applauding hamilton more than alonso?
I find it hard to believe the team were negative about alonso at the time but also hard to believe a family would be so sensitive as to move just because the team were enthusiastic about hamilton doing well? or was it because hamilton overtook alonso?

i think it was because of that

I meant the teams reaction to it!

FIA refuted any claims of favoritism in brazil, it was obvious, hamilton had an especial engine for that race, fernando's pace would be nowhere near the top three with a second-race engine, no further action would be required by mclaren in order to favour lewis, differente between engines was enough, where was FIA in the previous races? Fernando was threatened by one of the engineers on how easy to slow an engine down is without been even been noticed by the driver.

both lewis and fernando were favoured, the massive differente relies on renault don't denying it whilst mclaren did

Both parties have stated their positions.
And i think that both parties can agree to disagree on that.
But on one point everbody will agree with me, that 2007 was a hell of a season, it was one of the best seasons i witnessed, and for nothing in the world i would like to have missed it.

please more of seasons like 2007
and please let alonso and hamilton drive again in one team

it happened in australia 2007, the situation was unbearable, raquel and alonso's manager had to move on to renault garage to follow the race, according to garcia abad it was very shameful seeing how even fernando's mechanics went nuts when hamilton overtook fernando.
since then they decided to follow the races with their friends in renault, until dennis forbid it claiming it was unnaceptable to see fernando's manager and wife in other team's garage.

So basically it was the reaction to the overtake that did it?

no, the behaviour of everybody in the garage and lack of respect was the reason, and he quoted that example just to remark how embarrasing it has to be to witness how your mechanics cheer the guy in the other side of the garage

Sounds like poor Fernando hadn't exactly biult a relationship with his guys.

James Allen did say he basically didn't give them the time of day.

You really think Mclaren would risk getting kicked out of F1 after their $100 million fine by favouring Lewis?

There is no evidence that Lewis was favoured, else Mclaren would have recieved further penalities by the FIA. Else the FIA would have make short work of it.

And using some snippets of an interview or the way people cheer is no evidence that Alonso didn't get equal machinery.

An example, everybody at Canada was cheering how Sato overtook Alonso. It's not because people like Sato more than Alonso, it's because it's very unusual for that to happen. So they probably cheered for Lewis, because it's very unusual for a rookie in his first race to overtake a 2 times WDC.

Could be. I think Alonso is very introverted from what I seen. Jenson and Lewis are a bit more open, especially Lewis jokes around with everybody in the team.

Quite opposite. They favored Hamilton against Kovalainen, but did not favor him against Alonso. That is my view as someone who was Alonso/McLaren supporter at the start of 2007.

Well, Lewis got favoured with upgrades in 2009 because sometimes Mclaren couldn't get both of their cars with the latest parts and there was no point in giving it to Heikki because he's way too slow in the races and arguably not as good as a development driver like Lewis is. But Heikki always got the same spec as Lewis the next race after an upgrade.

Then ask Kovalainen, whose families and friends did the same thing while at McLaren. What a little paranoic Spaniard that Alonso is though!



Oh the brainwash... It was actually the oposite. And as Alonso himself said, the problem was with the bosses, not in the garage or with the mechanics.

we agreed to disagree on that?
alonso was mistreated in mclaren and hamilton favourised in 2007!

The truth about what happened in 2007 will come out, sooner or later. Not in this forum, though.

The 2007 season is one nasty story, dirty at all sides...

When Alonso writes a book on his F1 career

Yeah, when we old and ugly... I would've loved to be a fly on the wall in that garage. Spygate, Hamlonso gate, Mclonso gate. Make your pick.

that's why fernando wasn't allowed to take his mechanics out to dinner on Mondays right?

link?



We were just being told the problem was Alonso's own mechanics were cheering for Lewis...

Che? What's that story?

there's no risk of getting kicked out of f1 for favouring one driver

there's plenty of evidence lewis was favoured, plenty

machinery was equal, same car. treatment towards him and his machinery...pretty unequal,

your last point is just an assumption, might be right or might not, but undoubtely is pretty rude and unrespectul to fernando's next of kins

besides the fact fernando is pretty shy, for those who never used a second language can't imagine how complicated it is to build up a relationship in other than your mother tongue, one can communicate more or less his feelings, but there's never ever such things as magnetism as the one gotten between guys using the same language, never. Jokes, styles of life, expressions, it's all so different...

fernando usually shared his metallic money prize after a victory with his mechanics in Renault, they used to gather together Mondays after races, but Mclaren didn't allow him to do so claiming "unnecessary encounters"

I suggest a group hug for Alonso.
To help him forget to oh so terrible treatment at McLaren.
The chosen one did not deserve that. Oh no.