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topical
QUOTE (Pato @ Sep 26 2010, 19:23) *
Great drive by him, but he's still a complete arsehole


You may not like him but there's no need to make idiotic flaming comments like this.
topical
QUOTE (AlanWake @ Sep 26 2010, 22:39) *
Indeed!


We were discussing this on another thread yesterday - aren't they forced to speak English on their radio communications?
Even in Italian, I think any moron can still understand words like 'fantastico' or whatever other adjective Stefno might use smile.gif
Alonso is one of the less hysterical guys on the radio when he wins and after Vettel and Hamilton's 'Woo-hoo!' kind of noises or listening to Jenson as if he's screaming underwater in a swimming pool through 2009, we should get to hear Fernando too!
maleinblack
QUOTE (AlanWake @ Sep 26 2010, 13:40) *
Felipe is there too wink.gif


Must have been a team order for Felipe to be present for the picture.wink.gif
Titov
Fantastic racing from Fernando, flawless weekend, superb quali and todays victory AMAZING! P1, F-lap, WIN!

BRAVO Nando, BRAVO Ferrari!!!

Exciting GP overall!!!

PS
We have some thrilling races ahead of us guys!
AlanWake
QUOTE (maleinblack @ Sep 26 2010, 21:51) *
Must have been a team order for Felipe to be present for the picture.;)


After all, he is a Ferrari employee, so I believe he will be happy that Ferrari won. Of course, he would have been happier if it was him who won.
Maestro
QUOTE (AlanWake @ Sep 26 2010, 23:10) *
After all, he is a Ferrari employee, so I believe he will be happy that Ferrari won. Of course, he would have been happier if it was him who won.


Yeah and Fernando is the employee of the year roflmao.gif clap.gif
exmayol
Great drive there by Fernando! I wonder what Alono haters got to say these days...
meddo
I¨m not a hater, nor a fan, but what a drive yesterday...
That was a drive of a champion, reminded me of a certain Alonso back in 2006., when he defended fiercely at Ottodrome, against a certain 7 times WC, without a single mistake, with only one goal in his mind.
jonathanknevels
QUOTE (meddo @ Sep 27 2010, 06:39) *
I¨m not a hater, nor a fan, but what a drive yesterday...
That was a drive of a champion, reminded me of a certain Alonso back in 2006., when he defended fiercely at Ottodrome, against a certain 7 times WC, without a single mistake, with only one goal in his mind.



Alonso did make 1 mistake smile.gif On the restart he missed the last chicane smile.gif but beside that : 2 hours of fantastic racing !!
Craven Morehead
QUOTE (meddo @ Sep 27 2010, 07:39) *
I¨m not a hater, nor a fan, but what a drive yesterday...
That was a drive of a champion, reminded me of a certain Alonso back in 2006., when he defended fiercely at Ottodrome, against a certain 7 times WC, without a single mistake, with only one goal in his mind.


Absolutely agreed up.gif

He was awesome this wknd. Awesome. It's not often we see the driver transcend the car, but I think that's exactly what we just witnessed. Four more like that please. smile.gif
Alondra
Just want to see the next 4 races with an impecable Alonso to bring the title home. Two more wins will do it.

For Ferrari, for Alonso and for every Ferrari supporter around the world that feels the red prancing horse is truly magical indeed.
Hacklerf
That was one of the best races ive ever seen Fernando drive
Owen
QUOTE (Hacklerf @ Sep 27 2010, 12:10) *
That was one of the best races ive ever seen Fernando drive

up.gif He's had a lot of stick this year but he's done his talking on the track. Great drive.
Hacklerf
Indeed, he was relentless, won in the (slightly) inferior car and never made a mistake, what a drive
kissTheApex
QUOTE (Craven Morehead @ Sep 26 2010, 00:40) *
Fantastic today. Alonso really hooked it up. I was impressed in Q2 when he was called in to box, he responded that he is going to set a laptime, then the pit guy agreed. Leadership there. Fernando has his demons sometimes, but when he's on his game, he is an irrisistable force. up.gif Awesome performance putting a slower car on pole.


I thought he asked whether he will have another chance to set a lap after the engine mapping but absolutely a great weekend from Fernando. He keeps this up and Ferrari engines keep running (knocking wood), we will have ourselves a 3 times WDC and number 1 on the red car next year guys. wave.gif
AlanWake
Martin Brundle: "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easy to love, but very easy to admire".
F1Johnny
Alonso owned the weekend. A Champion's drive.
MikeTekRacing
100% agree, drive of a champion
aditya-now
QUOTE (Nonesuch @ Sep 26 2010, 16:57) *
That was indeed a great drive, as JackTorrance said; constant threat and pressure from Vettel.

This was also the first time Alonso had a 'perfect weekend'; pole position, fastest lap, win and lead throughout - joining a group of now 21 drivers who have done so; Jim Clark did it eight times, Alberto Ascari five times, and Michael Schumacher also managed to get five of those 'perfect weekends'. The last time this happened was with Michael Schumacher in Hungary in 2004. up.gif


That puts the magnificence of Jim Clark into perspective! Eight times!

Fernando has now also joined the elite club of drivers with a quarter century wins and more - Clark, Lauda, Stewart, Mansell, Senna, Prost and Schumacher.
IMHO he will go on to have more wins than Mansell, if he can even conquer Senna and Prost remains to be seen. Yet, Fernando is on the best way to become one of the all-time greats of the sport now.
Ferrari2183
93 points out of a possible 125 with 1 DNF in the last 5 races. Has to be the run of the season considering the amount of pressure.
KavB
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Sep 27 2010, 18:15) *
That puts the magnificence of Jim Clark into perspective! Eight times!

Fernando has now also joined the elite club of drivers with a quarter century wins and more - Clark, Lauda, Stewart, Mansell, Senna, Prost and Schumacher.
IMHO he will go on to have more wins than Mansell, if he can even conquer Senna and Prost remains to be seen. Yet, Fernando is on the best way to become one of the all-time greats of the sport now.


I think he can reach Senna's tally if he stays in the sport for atleast another 5 years (In a competitive Ferrari of course). He would just need around 3 wins per season to get there smile.gif

Stunning drive by Alonso. Absolutely perfect. Vettel did a fantastic job as well but Alonso was just unbeatable. It is outstanding to think that those two were driving to near perfection for two hours at a circuit which not only punishes you for the slightest mistake, but pushes your body to the limit. up.gif up.gif
TIFOlonSO
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 27 2010, 18:39) *
93 points out of a possible 125 with 1 DNF in the last 5 races. Has to be the run of the season considering the amount of pressure.


No doubt. smoking.gif
zeph
But the best thing of all is that the bashers have been unconventionally silent as off late! biggrin.gif
Mandzipop
QUOTE (zeph @ Sep 27 2010, 20:44) *
But the best thing of all is that the bashers have been unconventionally silent as off late! biggrin.gif


I think a Grand Chelem in the second fastest car might have helped. I was bored at work and the only website I am allowed to look at was the BBC. Had a peek at their forum, and Alonso was unusually getting a lot of praise.
P123
QUOTE (meddo @ Sep 27 2010, 07:39) *
I¨m not a hater, nor a fan, but what a drive yesterday...
That was a drive of a champion, reminded me of a certain Alonso back in 2006., when he defended fiercely at Ottodrome, against a certain 7 times WC, without a single mistake, with only one goal in his mind.


Agreed. That performance was reminiscent of his Renault championship winning days, which is ominous for the rest of them! Great drive.
aditya-now
QUOTE (topical @ Sep 26 2010, 22:49) *
Alonso is one of the less hysterical guys on the radio when he wins and after Vettel and Hamilton's 'Woo-hoo!' kind of noises or listening to Jenson as if he's screaming underwater in a swimming pool through 2009, we should get to hear Fernando too!

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You are spot on, topical (or with other words, you are topical!): I found these wooohoooo celebrations of Vettel and Hamilton too much, definitely scripted and staged, totally unconvincing. Button's underwater screams are totally out of character - imagine how much it suits the Jenson persona you know...

So Fernando cannot be forced to do such ridiculous noises on the radio, he rather prefers his characteristic victory celebrations posturing on the car - here we can see that it is totally him.
So concerning originality and authenticity Fernando gets a 10, Lewis, Sebastian and Jenson a 1.

(Isn't Mark also screaming?)
JackTorrance
Alonso was screaming just as frantically as the others in his Renault days. Also, he could go on for minutes ranting in Spanish about drivers that are in his way. Some people call that arrogant but they dont understand the passion of a latino man. smile.gif

aditya-now
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Sep 28 2010, 00:11) *
Alonso was screaming just as frantically as the others in his Renault days. Also, he could go on for minutes ranting in Spanish about drivers that are in his way. Some people call that arrogant but they dont understand the passion of a latino man. smile.gif


So that means they are basically all screaming, but as Fernando is screaming now in Italiano they don't put it on the world feed... lol.gif
cardin
QUOTE (AlanWake @ Sep 27 2010, 13:44) *
Martin Brundle: "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easy to love, but very easy to admire".

That's spot on. You may not like him, and I don't, but if you have any apreciation for F1 at all, it's impossible not to admire his performance yesterday.
ViMaMo
Im going to have a heart attack if we go to Abu Dhabi with 5 drivers still in contention of the WDC. Its going to be one of the greatest seasons.
pikamoku
QUOTE (vivian @ Sep 28 2010, 08:13) *
Im going to have a heart attack if we go to Abu Dhabi with 5 drivers still in contention of the WDC. Its going to be one of the greatest seasons.

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Vettel --> little mistake on Qualy and gets P5, and stucks behind a button in the race.
First Lap incident -> LH crashes into MW drunk.gif : LH->DNF due a broken Mc ; MW -> P8 after 4 pitstops to "optimize" his strategy
Button ---> Button? what button?
FA -> WDC clap.gif

just kidding mates, not take my post serious lol.gif
Craven Morehead
QUOTE (vivian @ Sep 28 2010, 07:13) *
Im going to have a heart attack if we go to Abu Dhabi with 5 drivers still in contention of the WDC. Its going to be one of the greatest seasons.


Yeah, it could be one for the ages. But that's F1 for you: just when you think you got this thing figured, it springs one of these seasons. The races are great fun, but it's the season long battle for the world championship that gives it the tension. F1 is a long-game sport. 2010 could go to any one of them, in some ways it's reminiscent of 1986. smile.gif Bring it on.. I love this stuff. up.gif
topical
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Sep 27 2010, 19:15) *
That puts the magnificence of Jim Clark into perspective! Eight times!

Fernando has now also joined the elite club of drivers with a quarter century wins and more - Clark, Lauda, Stewart, Mansell, Senna, Prost and Schumacher.
IMHO he will go on to have more wins than Mansell, if he can even conquer Senna and Prost remains to be seen. Yet, Fernando is on the best way to become one of the all-time greats of the sport now.


If Fernando stays fit and healthy and Ferrari provide him with a reasonable car I think he can overtake Senna's number of wins - I mean, 5 more years with an average of 4 wins a season would see him easily do it. Still, you never know what can happen in F1. We will see.
topical
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Sep 28 2010, 00:11) *
Alonso was screaming just as frantically as the others in his Renault days. Also, he could go on for minutes ranting in Spanish about drivers that are in his way. Some people call that arrogant but they dont understand the passion of a latino man. smile.gif


Alonso tends to rant and rave when he's frustrated by other drivers, which I find kind of funny, though understand why it annoys some people. But he tends to be calmer on the radio when he wins or especially gets pole position (compare to Vettel, who seems to react to pole as if it's a victory - will he ever learn?).
One exception: Winning the constructors championship in 2005 (or 06?) where he sang 'we are the champions' - could have done without that. Seems to be popular with other drivers too, though...
kosmos


Another 10 like in Italy I guess.
JackTorrance
QUOTE (cardin @ Sep 28 2010, 01:38) *
That's spot on. You may not like him, and I don't, but if you have any apreciation for F1 at all, it's impossible not to admire his performance yesterday.



Well, Im glad people can appreciate Fernandos performance. I just dont get Brundles wordings that he might not be always so easy to love. For me, he's always been easy to love.

Fierce guy with a lot of passion. And hes always polite.

Some people love to say, like Brundle, that he isnt always so lovable, but its telling that they always stop short saying that. Theres no substantial argument.

Hes the guy who schooled Hamilton, then had to have FIA protection for wrong tyre pressures, and after that never slated anyone.

Alonso is simply the model gentleman, and in ability and skills right at the top.

Hes bound to win many, many championships.
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ViMaMo
Vettel: 1. "Yes baby yes, yes, yes.........." roflmao.gif
2." We will show them " Ooohh scary

Alonso: "Thank you guys, thank you"
Hole
QUOTE (exmayol @ Sep 27 2010, 04:11) *
Great drive there by Fernando! I wonder what Alono haters got to say these days...


That Kimi would have won the championship by now or that Alonso got gifted his points.
Massacrator
QUOTE (AdamKOR @ Sep 30 2010, 08:39) *
That Kimi would have won the championship by now or that Alonso got gifted his points.

Or that the F10 it's been the best car this season
rko281
QUOTE (Massacrator @ Sep 30 2010, 10:25) *
Or that the F10 it's been the best car this season


You guys really need to leave this Kimi thing behind, in case you didn't noticed most of the so-called Alonso haters are not only some Kimi fans, look closely and you will see some Hamilton fanboys stirring thing up in some threads.


P.S. to all of you Alonso fans and some fellow Kimi fans, take a look at Alonso and Kimi (even after the Alonso to Ferrari was announced in Suzuka), they've always appreciated each other and had respect towards one another in all these years.

prty
QUOTE (vivian @ Sep 30 2010, 06:32) *
Vettel: 1. "Yes baby yes, yes, yes.........." roflmao.gif
2." We will show them " Ooohh scary

Alonso: "Thank you guys, thank you"


I find it funny how Marc Gené is so annoyed by Vettel that everytime someone that is not Vettel gets a pole position, he goes out of nowhere like "see, had it been Vettel, he would be all shouting and fingers and taunting" and then to compensate goes "...but it's normal, he's still a boy and has to mature". lol.gif
Massacrator
QUOTE (rko281 @ Sep 30 2010, 10:54) *
You guys really need to leave this Kimi thing behind, in case you didn't noticed most of the so-called Alonso haters are not only some Kimi fans, look closely and you will see some Hamilton fanboys stirring thing up in some threads.


P.S. to all of you Alonso fans and some fellow Kimi fans, take a look at Alonso and Kimi (even after the Alonso to Ferrari was announced in Suzuka), they've always appreciated each other and had respect towards one another in all these years.

We were not saying anything mean to Kimi himself but what they Kimi fans would come up with this time up.gif

Kimi is overrated but cool, I liked him.
e34
QUOTE (rko281 @ Sep 30 2010, 10:54) *
P.S. to all of you Alonso fans and some fellow Kimi fans, take a look at Alonso and Kimi (even after the Alonso to Ferrari was announced in Suzuka), they've always appreciated each other and had respect towards one another in all these years.


You are absolutely spot on.

In my experience, Kimi fans and Alonso fans never had any problem until last year, when Kimi got dropped and a gang of Kimi fans went ballistic and begun hitting left, right and center. Kimi is as unpredictable as he is cool. I don't think that there is an objective reason why sometimes he seems to be on fire and why other times it seems he can't be bothered. And, by the way, I have never read any plausible explanation of that phenomenon, either. Nevertheless, that group of fans begun looking for reasons for his performance on track (and they found the new suspension system as an objective explanation of the bad performance of Kimi during the first part of the season, and his good results during the second half). Frankly, that argument I can't understand, because it would seem that Ferrari was deliberately hurting one of his drivers for no good reason.

Then they looked for a reason for the constant flip-flopping of Raikkonen on whether he would be driving on F1 or on WRC and they found it in the evil ways of Ferrari and Santander and how they needed an Spanish driver for marketing reasons, and how dirty money explained why Raikkonen was substituted for a good, but lesser, driver as Alonso. In my opinion, it was easier to explain Raikkonen situation the fact that the Robertsons were moving their merchandise in the market and were trying to maximize Kimi's returns (something that is happening again this year, or so it seems).

In any case, the anti Alonso-Santander-Ferrari pitch by a reduced, but very vocal, faction of Kimi fans become almost unbearable and that is why, in my opinion, some of Alonso fans are upset with some Kimi fans, but not with Kimi himself.
lexmeister2
To me the annoyance is that some think Alonso is better than Raikkonen, and that Ferrari dropping him is proof of that.

My opinion is that they are both pretty evenly matched (illustrated by their many on track battles) and the Ferrari decision is purely a commercial one (to get Santander) or they never would have paid Raikkonen off to get Alonso on a year early (it just doesn't make good business sense).

It's made pretty obvious by the fact Santander only signed with McLaren once they had got Alonso - and only stayed on board when they realised that Lewis Hamilton was a great way into the UK banking market.
aditya-now
QUOTE (rko281 @ Sep 30 2010, 10:54) *
P.S. to all of you Alonso fans and some fellow Kimi fans, take a look at Alonso and Kimi (even after the Alonso to Ferrari was announced in Suzuka), they've always appreciated each other and had respect towards one another in all these years.


....and they would have been a dream team, IMHO.

Kimi definitely challenging Fernando for pace, but not political - would have been quite outrageous!!!
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (lexmeister2 @ Sep 30 2010, 12:15) *
To me the annoyance is that some think Alonso is better than Raikkonen, and that Ferrari dropping him is proof of that.

My opinion is that they are both pretty evenly matched (illustrated by their many on track battles) and the Ferrari decision is purely a commercial one (to get Santander) or they never would have paid Raikkonen off to get Alonso on a year early (it just doesn't make good business sense).

It's made pretty obvious by the fact Santander only signed with McLaren once they had got Alonso - and only stayed on board when they realised that Lewis Hamilton was a great way into the UK banking market.

From what I have seen Alonso is better than Raikonnen. He is just a much more complete package.
lexmeister2
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 30 2010, 13:45) *
From what I have seen Alonso is better than Raikonnen. He is just a much more complete package.

But then there are negatives like his general attitude and need to be the central focus of a team - if you weigh up the positives and negatives they both end up quite even.
Watkins74
QUOTE (lexmeister2 @ Sep 30 2010, 13:15) *
To me the annoyance is that some think Alonso is better than Raikkonen, and that Ferrari dropping him is proof of that.

My opinion is that they are both pretty evenly matched (illustrated by their many on track battles) and the Ferrari decision is purely a commercial one (to get Santander) or they never would have paid Raikkonen off to get Alonso on a year early (it just doesn't make good business sense).

It's made pretty obvious by the fact Santander only signed with McLaren once they had got Alonso - and only stayed on board when they realised that Lewis Hamilton was a great way into the UK banking market.

Isn't there another thread about this?

Do the Kimi people have to soil every darn thread?
Buttoneer
Can we have less Kimi and more Alonso in this thread please. There ARE other threads which deal with the replacement issue and you should take the conversation there please.
lexmeister2
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Sep 30 2010, 14:02) *
Isn't there another thread about this?

Do the Kimi people have to soil every darn thread?

Thanks, so my post soils the thread yet yours is so informative and useful.

If you actually took the time to read it (if you even can) then you'll see what I said was fairly balanced, if you wish to disagree with anything, feel free to do so in an equally balanced manner.

It seems you want the Fernando Alonso thread to be somewhere people just come on and go "wow Fernando is g0d, don't we all love him" - I'm sorry but I don't really see any point in reading that thread.
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