I don't support any particular driver, I am a Ferrari man. Sure Alonso has made mistakes, but his recovery drives have been awesome to watch as a ferrari fan. I don't recall seeing Kimi doing anything like that. I also believe that Nando has finally found his home at Ferrari and when he eliminates the mistakes he will be a serious WDC contender, not that he is not already. Also all this talk about him being beat by Hamilton is hogwash, if I remember correctly they ended the season with the same amount of points and the same amount of wins, all this despite the team backing Hamilton. This might be a figment of my imagination but I also recall Hamiltons performances tailing off once setup info wasn't being shared. All this said, these guys need to be comended for the performances they put in for our entertainment. Mistakes are part of game. I just wish Massa would up his performances.

and therefore should be changed in favor of all!

Nope. It would have been a direct result if he were hit from behind, for example. Otherwise you can trace it back for as long as you want: his real mistake was outqualfying Massa, if he hadn't done that, he wouldn't have got in the middle of Button and Schumacher. Wait no, the mistake was signing for Ferrari. Had he been in the Renault, he would have been further back, so it wouldn't have happened either. Oh no! The mistake was entering Formula 1. Had he been karting in Asturias, he wouldn't have got alongside Button!

There's not a direct relation between a bad start and that racing incident, if he had a good start it could have happened the same with the two front cars. So yes, he has done more mistakes that usual but don't get overexcited, that wasn't one.

It was simply a case of "shit happens" which can happen to any driver any time. I don't think any of the three participants was truly "to blame" over that one, just one of those things.

The reason Alonso is making a few mistakes is simple, pressure + the fact he is human just like Hamilton who also seems to be making more than a few errors. Last year at Renault the car was slow and anything he achieved was viewed as all down to Alonso not the car. At Ferrari the assunption was best car or at least as good as the best and with his talent they would start winning. Santander money plus large Spanish following only add to the pressure. Driving for Ferrari has its down side as well not so long ago they were praising Massa now they seem intent on getting rid of him.

what a bulls*it discussion. Seriously, waste of time.

I think that all this bickering about Alonso's mistakes just go to show what a great driver he is. No mistakes, three mistakes, four mistakes or a thousand mistakes: No matter what he is still 3rd in the championship, only 3 points behind the leaders and has taken points in 5 out of 6 races.

And the fact that so many of you seem disappointed with his performance so far is exactly the kind of pressure I talked about earlier. For any other driver these results would be pretty darn good, but when it is Alonso it is not even good enough.

All in all, to me he is just proving his class all over again.

is that a fact? that's your fact, by no means reality, and btw, they drew.

and the crash with button was a race incident, and if somebody is to be blamed that is button who was behind and could have braked (maybe not), gene (f1 driver, you're a wimp here) said it. your statements only show you are another alonso's basher club member,

Yep, that's exactly how far some people will go to find a reason to bash Alonso...

are slow starts mistakes now?
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I haven't seen ONE SINGLE comment on button's or webber's slow starts mistakes, not one single comment.

Maybe that is because it is the 'Fernando Alonso' thread.

you didnt get it. It is not a mistake until you get hit by an other driver

yes a slow/bad start is a mistake, and his bad start at australia was because he put the car on the white line and didnt have, grip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHQ-VXMbjNI check 0:22 and onwards

And as someone posted above, this is the nando thread, so we discuss him and non other.

cheers

agreed. bad start. mistake.
then china was is BIG mistake so far.
and the fp3 incident at Monaco too.
still, looking good at leaderboard and during the races.
i am enjoying this season very much

no more mistakes, and if the gap with RB is closed a bit, will have a chance to fight

Yes because it isn't like the Ferrari ever blows engines or lacks qually/race speed. Every driver makes mistakes and has issues with set up, etc., but you can only drive the car you are given. I think that the "car" part of the equation is currently taking the "team" out of "dream" in this scenario for Alonso (and Massa too btw) - rather negating the tifosi wish for another Schumi run (not that such a thing is even remotely realistic in this day and age for many reasons outside of car performance). It isn't just Alonso's (or his teammate's) mistakes that have been the only problem so far - I wouldn't even call it the major issue. However, I do feel failure overall is blamed on Alonso (and mate) and I also feel that Ferrari is happy enough with that arrangement since they have pretty much continued with this silent mode stuff as usual. It may be true that in technical advisories and threads, there is much more known about the F10 and Ferrari has spoken about it, but the fact remains that in the public eye, they have very little defense of their drivers, lending to the idea that it is conductor error rather than the F10 that is the bulk of the problem. I don't believe it for a minute. They lag behind and have other reliability issues as do other teams, but for some strange reason, publicly, they are loathe to discuss it. Granted, fans often start yelling "excuse" when that happens, but in my opinion, Alonso (and his teammate) would get a boost from their support in the popular media.

I don't think Fernando Alonso is making mistakes under pressure due to the fact that he is driving a Ferrari if not for the fact that he knows that he has a very good car and has found a team that backs him and respects him. He is driving more with his heart than with his brain.

I am very satisfied, that yo and some other Alonso fans manage to keep a clear head and not get blinded by the fanboyism ( YellowHelmet ). It helps keep the more rabid fanboys in check, who don't see a mistake as a mistake, and lament about poor luck when there was none involved. Poor luck, is what happened to Hamilton or Vettel when they have a mechanical break-down that has nothing to do with them, poor luck is not crashing into the armco in Monaco during FP3.

Anyways, I am delighted there are some level headed fans here , even though they often get drowned by the numerous fans who see nothing wrong with Alonso ever, and think he can walk on water.

As things seem to be at the moment Red Bull will win easily the championships so the best option is for Fernando to take the fight for 3rd with Hamilton and win some races.

If it wasn't for his mistakes he would seem to challenge them big time leading the championship (he did lose about 20 points) but sooner or later Red Bull would catch him anyway.

At least his pace will not suffer as the mistakes (starts and practice) were not done under typical push mode. It's possibly due to too much things he has to think about - new team, establish himself as leader inside Ferrari and fighting faster Red Bull cars.

But of course there's always hope that they can challenge Red Bull with some miracle upgrade but don't count on it - and Vettel (and Webber sometimes) isn't really a poor driver at all.

Once again Alonso had great "luck" with a crash and saftey car in a race.
Last time he was so lucky the story behind the crash was awful. Whats the story behind the crash this time? Was it just luck that Hulkenberg crashed early?

Bad taste... Real bad... Alonso is now asking other teams to do the dirty work. That post is so sad.

he was very lucky with the safety cars.
after lap8 he was some 16s behind leader,
without safety car it would have been 40-50secs.
so in a way his pit stop was for free, and then some

i must say both Gené and Lobato were very short sighted in their reading of the race live, stating that the safety was BAD for his strategy because he had no free air to go fast.
those were some very unfortunate comments. not very smart lol
that safety car was a miracle for him!

anyway, what was up to him, he delivered good racing.
actually saved the day, otherwise to be a snoring festival... xD

Yes, he made the race interesting for sure, and he didn't put a foot wrong during the race. Without the safety-cars it would have been impossible, but they appeared right at the correct times.

Lobato really said that? That guy never ceases to amaze me!

If a race is held on a street course, it is pretty much certain that there will be at least one safety car event. However, Alonso's strategy of changing tires after the first lap before tackling the back markers would have succeeded without it.

Race distance fuel loads, a mandatory tire change, and the ability to look after his tires while overtaking was the key to his success, not the safety car, though it didn't hurt.

What a fascinating read these last two pages.

Thanks for the entertainment.

I mean on this bb.

it seems alonso is the only one to be blamed here of his mistakes (it doesn't surprise me though) which cost him valuable points, regardless of how many webber did lose or button indeed. webber is the one to be leading comfortably the championship, alonso's got 7 pages talking about how reckless he's, how many pages did webber get about it?

funny you say that

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...ebber+should+be

here you go

cheers

After Alonso's race at Monaco, I expect every single driver to be able to run 70 laps in one set of tires. Any tire explosions, over-wear, spin-offs, etc shall then be called "driver mistakes".

who are you? The divider? The man who divides users in good Alonso fans and bad Alonso fans
The good are the one that suit YOU (and your humble opinion) and the bad are the opposite!
You take you far to serious!

But no reason to get emotional.

You count a bad start as a mistake that is worthy to count into a "Alonso Mistakes Index". Okay, but that shows, how good Alonso trully is, a bad start (which he could easily compensate) is a big mistake of Alonso. Your opinion, but this is fussy.

The false start in China: we are all the same opinion. It was a mistake, that costed him one place in the race, than the place he started from (again he showed, that he can compensate his mistakes with his driving skills )

Crash in free practise in Monaco: We are all the same opinion. It was a mistake, and one with an very unfortunate outcome.

But enough of this mistake-focus in the Alonso-Thread, which is really an antilogy!

Why dont we focus on the driver, Alonso, who is not sitting in the fastest car this season and still is just three points away of the two leading drivers, who sit in the by far fastest car in this years formula1!
We should concetrate on his unmatching drving abbilities, which allowes him to threaten the Red Bull drivers, although his is fighting with inferrior material.

So, what were the highlights of the 2010 sesaon for Alonso!

1. Bahrain win
2. an extraordinary race in Australia, which he probably could have won, if he wasnt caught up behind his teammate!, or hitted in the first corner by Button.
3. Malysia: maybe the best race in Fernando Alonsos career! unfortunately he had an engine failure, and couldnt made it to the finish.
He drove with a car that had a gear box problem and an upcoming/emerging engine problem, and still was able to drive the second fastest lap in the race and overtake some cars and battle with button in an f-duct mclaren!
4. China, after a false start, and a total of 5 pit visits, he showed his team mate, who is the man in Ferrari, and managed to finish 4th!
5. Spain. under a lot if pressure in front of his home crowd, he managed to drive on the podium (due to some luck), although the Ferrari was just the 3rd fastest Team in that race.
6. Monaco: after an crash in free practise which had an unfortunate outcome, and he had to start dead last, he managed to finish 6th!!!

I think, that this season we should remember more of his accomplishments, than anything else.

Just WOW!

There's clearly a new religion in the world today. Its name is Alonsoism!

Yes, Alonso was so lucky at Monaco. Safety Cars there, who would have expected that?




Said an Alonsophobe.

Short sighted ?!?! You are being very nice to them(I still can't believe Gene said that) That's the most stupid thing I ever heard from a F1 'comentator'.

Says a Masslam...

back to the topic, fernando, I just want to share this with you all, he was 4 when he did his first interview on radio, it's so cute...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66LmmuAHzU

Alonsomanía is not that new of a religion

if it makes you happy, next time i'll use strong language

Alonso has just taken Jake Humphrey for a spin. That should be fun to watch this weekend.

I'm a convert!

Alonso Akhbar

well for me Alonso has been very lucky in races with saftey cars etc. He has made more mistakes then any of the other leading drivers thats just my observation.

funny how luck follows champions around....

Ain't that the truth.

And who is Massa?

It already exists, it's spelt Alonsism (alonisista, who supports Alonso) and it's not a religiion, it's being an Alonso supporter

If you are suggesting that Massa may have run a little slow and allowed Alonso to pop into sixth after the pitstops, you might be on to something. Mind you, Massa has been establishing some credibility in that regard all season, so definitive conclusions are hard to make.

Massa, team player?

"Not one bit," di Montezemolo said when asked by Gazzetta dello Sport if there were regrets. "It was good with Michael but it's over. No regrets. Today I'm very happy with Alonso, both on and off the track.

"Alonso has team spirit, conscientiousness, attachment to the team. And when he races he's a fantastic fighter."

Di Montezemolo says the only error that Alonso had to accept responsibility for was Monaco – but reckons that the fact he remained in a strong position in the championship meant there was no reason to feel too unhappy.

"I consider a mistake only what happened at Monte Carlo, due to excessive confidence," he said. "He wanted to test the limit while thinking of pole, and he crashed. The jump start in China was down to the tension. But we are in a great position for the championship - the game is on."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83863

LOL, Luca must also be a blind fanboy. Wait for the haters to elaborate their theories about this. It's going to be fun reading their crap.

Alonso is a different from his MacLaren and before years. He tries too much, nowadays. He is fast, perhaps the fastest driver right now, which was not necessarily the case before.

I think in his two WDC years he had an advantage at the start and then had to manage it (first WDC) and in the second he really shined against Schumacher.

During the MacLaren year he had to push himself a bit more and became error prone in qualifying. In the races he was usually faster than Hamilton in very fast tracks (IMO, but I think the stats back this opinion) and about equal in slower ones; but he was slower in qualifying because he was under a lot of stress and that lead into errors that he more seldom made before.

In Renault he tried to overdrive the car and that, again, made him a bit error prone.

Now in the Ferrari he might want to learn some restraint again, and get rid of the errors.

Regarding this years' errors, I agree that while many are understandable, the run of errors, itself, suggests that Alonso either is having a string of bad luck or is pushing too hard. I would say, but I might be wrong, that he is just a little too eager.

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are you serious that you are talking about Alonso?
What run of errors do you mean, even Montezemolo count just one real (and that one was in free practise!)

montezemolo is a fanboy ;)

I belive most people including most Alonso fans would be able to recognice that Alonso has made more than just one mistake this season

I´d go as far as saying Alonso probably disagrees with Montezemolo that hes just made one mistake this season so far.

Don't know what all this fuss is about, Alonso is not an error prone driver never was, as far as I remember, and don't think he will start now, usually it is the contrary. He made a mistake in Monaco FP. So what? He was a little over enthusiastic.