It is precisely this need among some online contributors to reduce EVERYTHING to a Hamilton-Alonso bashfest that depresses me so much.

Don't let your nationalistic tabloid wash your brain so much.

alonso yet gets badly punched today by whiting and he's just a moaner,

hamilton cheats, breaks the rules and is again hero... this bb will never cease to amaze me

Its a british BB,so its expected.You guys will get bans more easily than Hamilton fans,but you have to live with that.Im kinda appaled of the abuse you guys are getting.Fortunately i can watch races with neutral perspective now.It really is relaxing.

It just so weird to watch how Alonso totally lost he´s cool when hammy is involved.He really should talk to someone professional

I understand this is a joke, because Hamilton did exactly the same thing in Australia (complained of McLaren bad strategy on the last few laps instead of overtaking Alonso) and i didn't remember McLaren fans call him an idiot. Really.

Double standards.



Same story, Hamilton complained even against his team in Australia!

Desire Abstract noun - Petulance

And remember:

-If Alonso is favored by a SC, he got lucky.
-If anyother does it is just that he got the best ouf of the situation

Wrong.
Alonso was 'inspired' in Nelsinho success in Nurburgring, when he stoped early and won several positions due to a yellow flag.

I wonder if Alonzo has pictures of Lewis in every room of his house?

He showed a very immature side today and a lack of focus to the point where even the team had to step in and tell him to settle down.
And then he got owned by Koba.

Alonso looks very bad this season - when you compare 2010 with 2007/2008 Kimi-Massa duo - 2007/2008 looked much stronger. He is still extremely fast, but makes so much mistakes and sometimes has problems with getting his tyres to work - similar thing that happened to him in 2007. and back then he blamed it on Ron Dennis.

This race after pitstop I at least expected him to get one or two places on track - instead he lost one. Far from perfect driving. His obsession with Lewis Hamilton shows much frustrations.

immature?
he was realistic, by saying their race was unfairly derogated!

I dont know what is wrong with that if a person says this?

I hear Alonso was on grooved tyres as well, just like in testing!

just one word: Singapore


(sure FA didn't know)

passing under yellow is amusing as he passed chandock under yellow on lap 1 at monaco... but no one noticed pretty much

obsession
if it was vettel, that would have gained through a foul, he would have reacted the same
if it was webber, that would have gained through a foul, he would have reacted the same
if it was kubica, that would have gained through a foul, he would have reacted the same
if it was chandhok, that would have gained through a foul, he would have reacted the same
etc.

it was unfair, and that ruined his race!

because he let chandhok pass back!

That is just a stupid comment to make, it was impossible for him to see that yellow flag. Move on.

?

what has that to do, with what happened today?

in singapore few persons from a team cheated?

today the stewards did!

He gave back the position. And then you guys complain about Alonso fans asking for undeserved penalties

Because he passed one second after yellow flag was deployed? Where is time to react?

Gave back? Even better

? why because he letted kamikaze kobayashi pass?
everybody who is driving for championship would have done the same, otherwise --> crash, that was smart!

Lewis was just indecisive. Fernando needs to stop moaning and whining about what Lewis is doing and focus on his own driving. Maybe then he might get some results for a change ;)

if the fia lets him, sure he would!

Oh, so now FIA overpumps Alonso tyres so he can't qualify in front of Hamilton?

How has the FIA stopped Alonso racing? He has been way below-par this season through his own fault.

in canada they costed him the win (although starting behind hamilton), and here a 3rd or a possible 2nd place!

fia costed him at least 21 (if not 24) points in the last two races!
10 points in canada
and 11 (or maybe 14 points) today,
sum it up,
and then you have your answer!

How the hell did they do that?

Fernando-Lewis rivalry clouding our judgement?

Lewis is in his right to play it on the edge of the rules, like to performing aggresive overtakes. it's all part of his style. that's fine.
but the rules exist for a reason, and having race direction and stewards systematically bend them for his short-term benefit, is going to damage him in the long term. He doesn't want to be remembered as an unsporty driver, right? well, they not only consent but sometimes even promote him playing it on the edge. it must be really economically profitable for it to be that way.
if only out of self interest, Lewis fans should reconsider this situation, that makes it very hard to sell this driver as the best; and chase for clean races. Lewis is fast enough to race anyone without external helps!!

BUT what happened today was enough of a scandal for all fans to aggree on.
The timing of the SC deployment, the timing of the penalty, the timing and amount of the other penalties...
it was clearly a manipulated race.
this is not good for anyone.

we shouldnt let this kind of things happen again. to anyone.
it is completely unacceptable and is damaging the competition as a whole.


-crying baby- vs -troll-

please think before bashing
this kind of reasoning only makes the poster look stupid and waste our time


P.D:
accidental cheating
honest mistake
(i am amazed what i learn today)

I think he's going to mention something about blue flags or something else that's rubbish... maybe Charlie should've let him get away with the jump-start...

+1

All this talk of Singapore 2008 and the defence of no proof that Alonso knew of the conspiracy.

Even if you do give Alonso the benefit of doubt and say he new nothing about it, the fact remains that after the scandal and punishments were handed out Alonso was asked do you feel you still deserved the win title and he replied yes because he finished first and knew nothing of the race fix. No mention of the race being manipulated by his own team and that he felt sorry for the fans who went to see that race, the bloke is a hypocrite.

So it's ok for his team to manipulate a race and the paying fans just have to suck it up then.

How anyone can support a driver with that attitude is beyond me.

because your association-chain is bullshit?

because alonso won in 2008, he is not alowed to say, if a race is manipluated

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/06/ferr...ms-as-too-slow/

That lap Trulli did a 1m 24.7 and says that no blue flags were waved at him that lap.

And you think this was done on purpose? Just as Alonso had heaps of luck in many races in his career, now he is on a bad luck streak. Nothing unusual.

Simple and obvious from the evidence: safety car deployed, Hamilton thought he would be ahead at the second safety car line where it joined the track (and he wasn't; a split-second hesitation cost him the metre or two distance he would have had ahead of the safety car). Honest mistake and a fair penalty (which cost Hamilton his chance of challenging Vettel at the front and possibly being on the top step). You have to be bloody stupid to think that given the circumstances and the split-second timing that it was a deliberate 'well right, let's **** Alonso's race here then' decision.

Also:It's Ferrari that made a bollocks of their pit stop bringing both cars in at once and stacking them in the pitlane.

How it's 'manipulated' exactly I'm not sure (because golden boy Alonso still finishes eighth after all the penalties, apparently).

Because he showed no thought for the fans who watched a manipulated Singapore 2008 race even to the point of stating he still felt he deserved the win.

If he was so concerned about the fans watching a manipulated race today he didn't show any concerns for the viewers of Singapore 2008 in any interviews even if he knew nothing about the race fix, he simply just said that he deserved the win.

In my eyes a proper sportsman would state something like "If a race was fixed for a driver then that driver does not deserve to win whether that driver knew of the fix or not and it robbed the fans of a proper race."

I think its fair to say the Alonso/Hamilton rivalry is maybe getting in the way here. It wasn't fair that the safety car only slowed the two Ferrari drivers. If Hamilton had got caught behind the SC like he should have been I would have said it was unfair for the three of them to get caught behind the SC. I think this picture sums it up, the two Ferrari drivers caught behind the SC while Vettel and Hamilton were making their way round to the pits. Something in the rules need changed, I think banning pit stops behind the SC is a good idea.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8621/121712913.jpg

he didnt know, so why should he feel bad?
hamilton made the mistake on his own! --> difference

Safety car or not, what concerns me more is that Alonso allowed this incident to affect his entire race.

ok so it's not the best of race tracks for over taking, but Alonso we know would have been more aggressive - I just wonder if his mind set is not quite in the zone right now...

Pay-back time..? From FIA I mean?

What you guys think about the team-radio?
"What was his position before the penalty? What's his position after the penalty?".. after Kobayashi overtook him
and earlier in the race:
"Keep talking to Charlie about Hamilton, it's the only thing you should keep doing in the race"

On a boring race, this was indeed funny to hear



P.S. I didn't hear very well so please free to correct me if these are not the exact words

? his team was saying, that the others will get penalised or at least they are under investigation. and in valencia there is no possibility to overtake, unless you are trying harakiri-style of koba (with fresh tyres)
dont forget alonso was behind sutil most of the time (fast car on straights and a silly driver, who is known for causing accidents!)

There are two different questions and I think people are mixing them all the time.

1.- SC compromised Alonso's race. That's racing.

2.- Hamilton bent the rules and he got a penalty that amounted to nothing.

The problem is not what's happened today, the problem is the many times it has happened with Hamilton this season.

It didn't amount to nothing, it cost him the opportunity to challenge Vettel for first (which he would have been in position to do without the penalty) and very possibly the win. Which I'd certainly not call 'nothing'.

no it didnt!
he made a mistake, and still finished a position higher than the one started from.

Hamilton would have been on P2 if he stayed behind SC like Alonso?

in the zone...

they f***d his race, greatly ruining WDC options.
raped by a train and you interpret it like FA not handling the pressure well?

i think you are a troll

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