Full Version: Michael Schumacher (merged)
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I read somewhere that post FP3 changes in his set-up, aimed to improve car further, actually didn't turn positive. I am not sure if and when they can reverse those, mainly because I do not know what was changed.
wonder if Schumacher will feel as welcome next time having lunch at Ferrari...
better stick to the potatoes and bradwurst for now
better stick to the potatoes and bradwurst for now
The blocking in qualy story involves Schumacher, Alonso and Hamilton - so isn't really done justivce in here. So I've shifted a few posts to here: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=126826
QUOTE (glorius&victorius @ Mar 27 2010, 12:29) 
wonder if Schumacher will feel as welcome next time having lunch at Ferrari...
better stick to the potatoes and bradwurst for now
well if he doesnt then maybe the team should consider how crap they were when the best driver on the grid at the time decided to join then even though ron dennis was showing intrest, even when he was at ferrari dennis still kept showing intrest.better stick to the potatoes and bradwurst for now
he was more loyal to ferrari than they deserve imo
QUOTE (arknor @ Mar 27 2010, 23:50)
he was more loyal to ferrari than they deserve imo
The amount he got paid he better have been!
QUOTE (Henrytheeigth @ Mar 27 2010, 15:21)
The amount he got paid he better have been!
if it was about money, he would have gone to Mclaren in 1999
If I be totally honest Michael having a word with Alonso like that is a little underhand, and even possibly slightly embarrassing. I'm not here to bash Schumi and respect the fact he is giving F1 another go, but it's becoming clear he's becoming rather frustrated behind Nico at both weekend's qualifying, and having a word like that to a guy in his former team reinforces that. It's like he's saying... Just remember I made this team what it is today sorta thing, an intense rivalry could from between Alonso and Schumacher, infact it already is after 2006.
I'd think he'd be saying 'don't block me'
QUOTE (intothepits @ Mar 27 2010, 20:42)
If I be totally honest Michael having a word with Alonso like that is a little underhand, and even possibly slightly embarrassing. I'm not here to bash Schumi and respect the fact he is giving F1 another go, but it's becoming clear he's becoming rather frustrated behind Nico at both weekend's qualifying, and having a word like that to a guy in his former team reinforces that. It's like he's saying... Just remember I made this team what it is today sorta thing, an intense rivalry could from between Alonso and Schumacher, infact it already is after 2006.
Underhand? Whatever can you mean?
It was exactly the opposite.
"Behind Nico" - about four hundredths wasn't it?
QUOTE (intothepits @ Mar 27 2010, 21:42)
If I be totally honest Michael having a word with Alonso like that is a little underhand, and even possibly slightly embarrassing. I'm not here to bash Schumi and respect the fact he is giving F1 another go, but it's becoming clear he's becoming rather frustrated behind Nico at both weekend's qualifying, and having a word like that to a guy in his former team reinforces that. It's like he's saying... Just remember I made this team what it is today sorta thing, an intense rivalry could from between Alonso and Schumacher, infact it already is after 2006.
Well according to the news story, he just asked Alonso whether the team told him on the radio that MS was behind on a fast lap. Don't think it's a big deal really..
QUOTE (Henrytheeigth @ Mar 27 2010, 20:51)
The amount he got paid he better have been!
Money and loyalty are different things. There are individuals are are just not loyal whatever the money be. Its a human trait - loyalty.
You think Alonso was paid peanuts at McLaren ?
QUOTE
"Basically on my last try, I was slowed down by him," explained Schumacher about Alonso. "I asked him whether the team had told him [I was on a quick lap] and he said no.
"In a way it is difficult because he was on his in-lap, and he was worrying about other things than maybe watching the mirror. But saying that, we had this chat yesterday in the drivers' briefing that this should be taken care of, and actually he was one of the main guys asking about it.
"I wanted to know if the team had told him or not, and then I had a conversation with Charlie about it because I wanted to know what are the guidelines here – and whether the rules have changed a little bit to what they used to be. I [told Whiting I] need to know what would you be okay with, and what not."
When asked about Hamilton in Q2, Schumacher added: "I had a similar issue with Lewis, that he was adapting his lap and preparing his lap and blocking me in a way – which is not very nice.
"If you sit behind, you are trying your best, which I am doing at the moment, and then somebody slows you down, it is not very comfortable."
"In a way it is difficult because he was on his in-lap, and he was worrying about other things than maybe watching the mirror. But saying that, we had this chat yesterday in the drivers' briefing that this should be taken care of, and actually he was one of the main guys asking about it.
"I wanted to know if the team had told him or not, and then I had a conversation with Charlie about it because I wanted to know what are the guidelines here – and whether the rules have changed a little bit to what they used to be. I [told Whiting I] need to know what would you be okay with, and what not."
When asked about Hamilton in Q2, Schumacher added: "I had a similar issue with Lewis, that he was adapting his lap and preparing his lap and blocking me in a way – which is not very nice.
"If you sit behind, you are trying your best, which I am doing at the moment, and then somebody slows you down, it is not very comfortable."
Amazing rant. Schumacher shows the first signs of cracking under pressure?
Yes, Michael. You're not a top dog nowadays. There is no your faithful fan Mosley in power anymore, always ready to bend the rules in proper way to satisfy your hunger for success. And the new star drivers with better cars do not want to show respect for you, same as you during your winning days.
Maybe it's just your turn to be on a receiving end, Michael?
QUOTE (VoidNT @ Mar 27 2010, 21:54)
Amazing rant. Schumacher shows the first signs of cracking under pressure?
Yes, Michael. You're not a top dog nowadays. There is no your faithful fan Mosley in power anymore, always ready to bend the rules in proper way to satisfy your hunger for success. And the new star drivers with better cars do not want to show respect for you, same as you during your winning days.
Maybe it's just your turn to be on a receiving end, Michael?
Yes, Michael. You're not a top dog nowadays. There is no your faithful fan Mosley in power anymore, always ready to bend the rules in proper way to satisfy your hunger for success. And the new star drivers with better cars do not want to show respect for you, same as you during your winning days.
Maybe it's just your turn to be on a receiving end, Michael?
Oh man, shut up.
He has the right to ask some clarifications after his flying lap being ruined twice in the same quali, does he?
MS upset about blocking?
All good Karma for the disgrace that was the Schumacher "chop" into the first corner.
Amazing how anyone who has lowered the on-track ethics as much as he did has the nads to criticise others.
All good Karma for the disgrace that was the Schumacher "chop" into the first corner.
Amazing how anyone who has lowered the on-track ethics as much as he did has the nads to criticise others.
To go up to Alonso like that fully well knowing the media would be there and know it'd appear to look like a ticking off... Yes, it's underhand, he should have spoke to him behind closed doors if he had an issue, not go up to him like that in his face infront of the media.. The guy just seems frustrated if I be honest.
Schimacher should not b a wan33er! i know that he is ust starting from such low grid position, but we also know what he did at Rascaasse Monaco. Jus keep his head down and try to get on with new Formula One!
Schmi, do your best. I mean it. Just shut up and try to run quicker.
Schmi, do your best. I mean it. Just shut up and try to run quicker.
QUOTE (intothepits @ Mar 27 2010, 14:52)
To go up to Alonso like that fully well knowing the media would be there and know it'd appear to look like a ticking off... Yes, it's underhand, he should have spoke to him behind closed doors if he had an issue, not go up to him like that in his face infront of the media.. The guy just seems frustrated if I be honest.
Nice try. What MS did was appropriate, if he felt he was purposely blocked. He has every right to question Alonso publicly, and he should if he feels like it.
Give me a ****ing break!
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:03)
Nice try. What MS did was appropriate, if he felt he was purposely blocked. He has every right to question Alonso publicly, and he should if he feels like it.
Give me a ****ing break!
Still his act is not that cool. He is completely out paced by his team mate. What different does it make to go complain about how Alonso drove like that?
Remember, Alonso complained on TV at Monza about how Massa drove. Schumi is not on the same league.
No it's not about 'trying' to somehow have a go at Schumacher, I've got all the respect for the guy in this years championship.
It's just as I saw it, it just wasn't a very cool move.
It's just as I saw it, it just wasn't a very cool move.
i like that new "cracking under pressure?" approach!
lets face it: schumacher was past his prime in 2006, and his comeback at the age of 41 might not help his legacy which is already mostly based on stats.
looking at his openly displayed antics concerning rosberg (car-number, overruling choice of garage), whose record consists of being "fridays fastest", and todays media-hyped complaint that hamilton and alonso "blocked" him, i do see some kind of desperation in his behaviour.
i very much doubt we will see him fulfilling his three year contract.
lets face it: schumacher was past his prime in 2006, and his comeback at the age of 41 might not help his legacy which is already mostly based on stats.
looking at his openly displayed antics concerning rosberg (car-number, overruling choice of garage), whose record consists of being "fridays fastest", and todays media-hyped complaint that hamilton and alonso "blocked" him, i do see some kind of desperation in his behaviour.
i very much doubt we will see him fulfilling his three year contract.
Is it?
If I were the Team Owner of Brawn, I rather choose nick to drive Michael's car.
If I were the Team Owner of Brawn, I rather choose nick to drive Michael's car.
I thought all drivers moaned when they get blocked in quali. Regardless of who he is or what he has done in the past, he has every entitlement to be unhappy if he feels he has been hampered on his hot-lap by another driver. If people think that he should be allowed to be blocked or hampered in quali because of 1 stupid mistake and whoever blocks him should get away scott free has double standards.
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 15:08)
Still his act is not that cool. He is completely out paced by his team mate. What different does it make to go complain about how Alonso drove like that?
Remember, Alonso complained on TV at Monza about how Massa drove. Schumi is not on the same league.
Remember, Alonso complained on TV at Monza about how Massa drove. Schumi is not on the same league.
Completely out paced?
Not on the same league? Yes you are correct, Alonso will likely never achieve what MS has so far. Nice balanced critique!
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 15:29)
I thought all drivers moaned when they get blocked in quali. Regardless of who he is or what he has done in the past, he has every entitlement to be unhappy if he feels he has been hampered on his hot-lap by another driver. If people think that he should be allowed to be blocked or hampered in quali because of 1 stupid mistake and whoever blocks him should get away scott free has double standards.
Wow! Rational post!
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 15:27)
Is it?
If I were the Team Owner of Brawn, I rather choose nick to drive Michael's car.
If I were the Team Owner of Brawn, I rather choose nick to drive Michael's car.
Why, because Schumacher is doing a solid job and has improved from the first race?
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 23:29)
I thought all drivers moaned when they get blocked in quali. Regardless of who he is or what he has done in the past, he has every entitlement to be unhappy if he feels he has been hampered on his hot-lap by another driver. If people think that he should be allowed to be blocked or hampered in quali because of 1 stupid mistake and whoever blocks him should get away scott free has double standards.
I am more focused on how he does that.
Michael Schumacher sitting in the Ferrari accommodation.
He is out paced by his team mate.
Then he complains.
It is just not great.
Michael is a great champion. I want him to show how great he is.
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:35)
Why, because Schumacher is doing a solid job and has improved from the first race?
Far from it.
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 15:35)
Far from it.
Really? Says you? Please explain, because to most observers Schumacher is doing a great job and is already nearly matching his much younger teammate.
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:37)
Really? Says you? Please explain, because to most observers Schumacher is doing a great job and is already nearly matching his much younger teammate.
Recall what q position e had at Bahrain?
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 22:37)
Really? Says you? Please explain, because to most observers Schumacher is doing a great job and is already nearly matching his much younger teammate.
Nearly matching his younger teammate wasn't what the pre-season hype was....... and I recall even last year many fans on the forum predicting a triumphant podium finish return in Valencia, showing these supposed overrrated young guns how it's done. Have people just adjusted their expectations after these first two qualis?
QUOTE (P123 @ Mar 27 2010, 23:40)
Nearly matching his younger teammate wasn't what the pre-season hype was....... and I recall even last year many fans on the forum predicting a triumphant podium finish return in Valencia, showing these supposed overrrated young guns how it's done. Have people just adjusted their expectations after these first two qualis?
Michael q-ed 7th at Bahrain. In Au Michael q-ed also 7th.
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 23:29)
I thought all drivers moaned when they get blocked in quali. Regardless of who he is or what he has done in the past, he has every entitlement to be unhappy if he feels he has been hampered on his hot-lap by another driver. If people think that he should be allowed to be blocked or hampered in quali because of 1 stupid mistake and whoever blocks him should get away scott free has double standards.
nearly everything on track is recorded nowadays, up to the point of a "schumi-channel" on german sky. and i do wonder why we have no footage of that incident up to now.
the only thing we have got is schumacher complaining prominently.
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 15:39)
Recall what q position e had at Bahrain?
It was his first Q session in nearly 4 years.
And he was not "completely out paced" by his teammate, as they finished right behind each other in the race, and he was basically just as quick in todays Q despite being blocked. So, do you actually have a solid argument or are you expecting Schumacher to dominate the field and his young but experienced teammate? If this rate of progress continues, I have no doubt the two will continue pushing each other further. Schumacer has been quite surprise for me anyways, as I didn't expect him to get up to speed quite this fast.
Only a fool would have expected him to beat Nico from race one, given all the circumstances.
QUOTE (P123 @ Mar 27 2010, 15:40)
Nearly matching his younger teammate wasn't what the pre-season hype was....... and I recall even last year many fans on the forum predicting a triumphant podium finish return in Valencia, showing these supposed overrrated young guns how it's done. Have people just adjusted their expectations after these first two qualis?
Fans or fanboys? Cause a realist' like me said all along they expect Rosberg to have the upper hand early on, due to Michael sitting out of the sport for 3+ years.
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:37)
Really? Says you? Please explain, because to most observers Schumacher is doing a great job and is already nearly matching his much younger teammate.
you mean that unproven "friday-champ" rosberg, in last years championship winning car provided to him by ross brawn?
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 15:42)
Michael q-ed 7th at Bahrain. In Au Michael q-ed also 7th.
5 hundredths of a second behind his teammate, even though he was blocked.
Horrible performance indeed!
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 15:46)
you mean that unproven "friday-champ" rosberg, in last years championship winning car provided to him by ross brawn?
Yes because to all neutral observers Mercedes is clearly a match for Red Bull and Ferrari, right?
I mean, otherwise you don't have a point at all.Nice try.
Next!!!
QUOTE (One @ Mar 27 2010, 22:35)
I am more focused on how he does that.
Michael Schumacher sitting in the Ferrari accommodation.
He is out paced by his team mate.
Then he complains.
It is just not great.
Michael is a great champion. I want him to show how great he is.
He is a 7 time champ...he doesn't give a flying crap what you think...
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:49)
Yes because to all neutral observers Mercedes is clearly a match for Red Bull and Ferrari, right? I mean, otherwise you don't have a point at all.
Nice try.
Next!!!
I mean, otherwise you don't have a point at all.Nice try.
Next!!!
obviously it is not. despite the reported dreamteam including genius-brawn and unbeatable-schumacher.
what we have is a 7-time champ struggling to match rosberg despite all those fancy in-team politics, way of the leading teams pace.
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 22:43)
nearly everything on track is recorded nowadays, up to the point of a "schumi-channel" on german sky. and i do wonder why we have no footage of that incident up to now.
the only thing we have got is schumacher complaining prominently.
the only thing we have got is schumacher complaining prominently.
FOM haven't released the footage?
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 15:53)
obviously it is not. despite the reported dreamteam including genius-brawn and unbeatable-schumacher.
what we have is a 7-time champ struggling to match rosberg despite all those fancy in-team politics, way of the leading teams pace.
what we have is a 7-time champ struggling to match rosberg despite all those fancy in-team politics, way of the leading teams pace.
Firstly, the "dream team" hasn't had much time to mature together, now have them?
Secondly, simply your mention of "fancy in-team politics" accusation is laughable at best. But thank's for actually proving nothing, and showing your true colors.
car-number, overruling choice of garage...
petty politics at its best.
petty politics at its best.
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 23:53)
obviously it is not. despite the reported dreamteam including genius-brawn and unbeatable-schumacher.
what we have is a 7-time champ struggling to match rosberg despite all those fancy in-team politics, way of the leading teams pace.
what we have is a 7-time champ struggling to match rosberg despite all those fancy in-team politics, way of the leading teams pace.
Read the post three above yours...
"Struggling"
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 23:55)
FOM haven't released the footage?
so why do you think the FOM did not release it up to now?
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 23:17)
so why do you think the FOM did not release it up to now?
Because they dont unless it is either televised at the time which is down to the production team of the race or unless it is for misdemeanors that have been penalised or other types of incidents. Do you really think that they would release this? They will have checked out the fotage themselves and said sorry Michael you had enough room.
I dont know if you know this but there has been a lot of complaints regarding drivers holding other drivers up at this race this weekend. Michael isn't the only one to complain. It got picked up because he is Michael Schumacher. Had it have been Sutil nobody would have blinked an eyelid.
QUOTE (TenienteX @ Mar 27 2010, 16:17)
so why do you think the FOM did not release it up to now?
Oooh ooh I know!!!!
They are unfairly supportive of the "FIArrari" and their #1 driver Alonso, that gets special treatment and all the team politics swing his way!
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 16:36)
Because they dont unless it is either televised at the time which is down to the production team of the race or unless it is for misdemeanors that have been penalised or other types of incidents. Do you really think that they would release this? They will have checked out the fotage themselves and said sorry Michael you had enough room.
I dont know if you know this but there has been a lot of complaints regarding drivers holding other drivers up at this race this weekend. Michael isn't the only one to complain. It got picked up because he is Michael Schumacher. Had it have been Sutil nobody would have blinked an eyelid.
I dont know if you know this but there has been a lot of complaints regarding drivers holding other drivers up at this race this weekend. Michael isn't the only one to complain. It got picked up because he is Michael Schumacher. Had it have been Sutil nobody would have blinked an eyelid.
...and it is fiercely denied only because the perpetrator was certain Fernando Alonso.
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 23:41)
...and it is fiercely denied only because the perpetrator was certain Fernando Alonso.
I'm a Ferrari fan. FA was not the only person involved, the other was Lewis. I was still sticking up for Michael due to the principle of it. If it cant be helped thn so be it. If a driver feels that he was unfairly hindered then no matter who he is or who it was that blocked him, he still has every right to be upset about it.
Lets face it, he has been out for 3 years. There have been massive changes since he left. The cars are totally diferrent, the rules are diferrent and the competitors are different. He is doing a brilliant job considering. By the end of the race in Bahrain he was lapping faster than Nico. He was a lot further off the pace in quali too. The gap now is virtuallt negligable. Regardless of his 7 titles, he in theory should not be that close to his teammate that quickly. Especially someone who is so highly rated.
So its either,
a) there are a lot of politics at Merc
or
b) Michael is as good as people say he was (and it looks like he still is)
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Mar 27 2010, 17:01)
I'm a Ferrari fan. FA was not the only person involved, the other was Lewis. I was still sticking up for Michael due to the principle of it. If it cant be helped thn so be it. If a driver feels that he was unfairly hindered then no matter who he is or who it was that blocked him, he still has every right to be upset about it.
Lets face it, he has been out for 3 years. There have been massive changes since he left. The cars are totally diferrent, the rules are diferrent and the competitors are different. He is doing a brilliant job considering. By the end of the race in Bahrain he was lapping faster than Nico. He was a lot further off the pace in quali too. The gap now is virtuallt negligable. Regardless of his 7 titles, he in theory should not be that close to his teammate that quickly. Especially someone who is so highly rated.
So its either,
a) there are a lot of politics at Merc
or
b) Michael is as good as people say he was (and it looks like he still is)
Lets face it, he has been out for 3 years. There have been massive changes since he left. The cars are totally diferrent, the rules are diferrent and the competitors are different. He is doing a brilliant job considering. By the end of the race in Bahrain he was lapping faster than Nico. He was a lot further off the pace in quali too. The gap now is virtuallt negligable. Regardless of his 7 titles, he in theory should not be that close to his teammate that quickly. Especially someone who is so highly rated.
So its either,
a) there are a lot of politics at Merc
or
b) Michael is as good as people say he was (and it looks like he still is)
I vote for B!
QUOTE (Menace @ Mar 27 2010, 19:26)
I vote for B!
Me also
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