Bonaventura
Nov 18 2010, 17:35
QUOTE (iotar @ Nov 18 2010, 13:58)

You can't "lose" when qualifying fifth (0,6 s behind his team mate) in the equal fastest car and crashing on the first lap (entirely his fault) is worth:
four points. 
for Hamilton.

Kubica got 10P for Japan
Lewis was the best driver this season, end off.
velgajski1
Nov 18 2010, 20:25
So, Hamilton wins it... I think that Vettel is too low.
My top 4:
1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Alonso
4. Kubica
paulrobs
Nov 18 2010, 20:49
Exellent. I think we've established that Autosport is just plain crap whereas all of us armchair pundits with day jobs that mostly have nothing to do with F1 know what we're on about.
I mean, FFS what do they know about F1? We watch the races on TV after all, not like those idiots at Autosport who go to every race and talk to everyone and witness it all at first hand. How can they possibly know what they are talking about?
And how come they're expressing an opinion that is different to mine anayway? That's just plain wrong....
korzeniow
Nov 18 2010, 21:35
QUOTE (paulrobs @ Nov 18 2010, 21:49)

Exellent. I think we've established that Autosport is just plain crap whereas all of us armchair pundits with day jobs that mostly have nothing to do with F1 know what we're on about.
I mean, FFS what do they know about F1? We watch the races on TV after all, not like those idiots at Autosport who go to every race and talk to everyone and witness it all at first hand. How can they possibly know what they are talking about?
And how come they're expressing an opinion that is different to mine anayway? That's just plain wrong....

you nailed it
mark f1
Nov 19 2010, 01:16
Race results for Abu Dhabi already published a few posts back. Here are the final positions for the season.
1. Hamilton 8.21
2. Kubica 8.11
3. Alonso 8.05
4. Rosberg 7.89
5. Vettel 7.84
6. Webber 7.47
7. Barrichello 7.26
8. Kovalainen 7.11
=. Button 7.11
10. Senna 6.72
11. Klien 6.67
12. Kobayashi 6.63
13. Chandhok 6.60
14. Sutil 6.58
15. De La Rosa 6.57
16. Glock 6.56
17. Hulkenberg 6.53
18. Trulli 6.47
19. Heidfeld 6.40
20. Alguersuari 6.37
21. Di Grassi 6.33
22. Massa 6.32
23. Schumacher 6.11
24. Buemi 6.00
25. Petrov 5.79
26. Liuzzi 5.74
27. Yamamoto 5.00
Commentary
- Hamilton takes out the 2010 Autosport Driver Ratings title!
- Senna and Alguersuari (and Chandhok) moved up 2 positions
- Hulkenberg down 3 positions and Massa down 2 positions
skinnyman
Nov 19 2010, 02:33
Senna top 10
krapmeister
Nov 19 2010, 02:40
I think they were pretty generous with a 6 for Webber...
mark f1
Nov 19 2010, 02:49
I think three of the HRT drivers ended up too high, 10th, 11th and 13th....Senna was not top 10 material.
Yorkie
Nov 19 2010, 03:03
QUOTE (barteks @ Nov 18 2010, 15:06)

British journos and British driver has won

Wasnt Kubica voted best driver in 2008 even though Lewis was WDC? Yep i can see the bias...
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Well, the top 5 is the same as my top 5, just in different odrer, my:
1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Kubica
4. Rosberg
5. Alonso

@ Button - Kovaleinen
QUOTE (mark f1 @ Nov 18 2010, 17:16)

Race results for Abu Dhabi already published a few posts back. Here are the final positions for the season.
1. Hamilton 8.21
2. Kubica 8.11
3. Alonso 8.05
4. Rosberg 7.89
5. Vettel 7.84
6. Webber 7.47
7. Barrichello 7.26
8. Kovalainen 7.11
=. Button 7.11
10. Senna 6.72
11. Klien 6.67
12. Kobayashi 6.63
13. Chandhok 6.60
14. Sutil 6.58
15. De La Rosa 6.57
16. Glock 6.56
17. Hulkenberg 6.53
18. Trulli 6.47
19. Heidfeld 6.40
20. Alguersuari 6.37
21. Di Grassi 6.33
22. Massa 6.32
23. Schumacher 6.11
24. Buemi 6.00
25. Petrov 5.79
26. Liuzzi 5.74
27. Yamamoto 5.00
Commentary
- Hamilton takes out the 2010 Autosport Driver Ratings title!
- Senna and Alguersuari (and Chandhok) moved up 2 positions
- Hulkenberg down 3 positions and Massa down 2 positions
Rubbish!
mlsnoopy
Nov 19 2010, 08:47
QUOTE (DLaw @ Nov 19 2010, 09:38)

Rubbish!
Why?
karlth
Nov 19 2010, 08:53
QUOTE (mlsnoopy @ Nov 19 2010, 01:47)

Why?
Inconsistency.
mlsnoopy
Nov 19 2010, 09:03
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 19 2010, 09:53)

Inconsistency.
What inconsistency.
karlth
Nov 19 2010, 09:12
QUOTE (mlsnoopy @ Nov 19 2010, 02:03)

What inconsistency.
There are numerous examples shown in this thread. Take a look at the posts immediately following the ratings.
barteks
Nov 19 2010, 09:42
QUOTE (paulrobs @ Nov 18 2010, 21:49)

Exellent. I think we've established that Autosport is just plain crap whereas all of us armchair pundits with day jobs that mostly have nothing to do with F1 know what we're on about.
I mean, FFS what do they know about F1? We watch the races on TV after all, not like those idiots at Autosport who go to every race and talk to everyone and witness it all at first hand. How can they possibly know what they are talking about?
And how come they're expressing an opinion that is different to mine anayway? That's just plain wrong....

Maybe journalists should just report and NOT express their opinions?
Kelateboy
Nov 19 2010, 09:44
Senna in 10th place?????
Gareth
Nov 19 2010, 10:19
QUOTE (barteks @ Nov 19 2010, 09:42)

Maybe journalists should just report and NOT express their opinions?
That would be a bit rubbish.
As long as the opinion pieces and reporting are clearly seperated, it's great we get journalist opinion.
timmy bolt
Nov 19 2010, 12:23
The Autosport ratings look pretty accurate to me, I think peoples memories have a way of forgetting some early parts of the season...
As for Kubica in Abu Dhabi, lets not forget that he did qualify behind his team mate, apart from that his performance was similar to Hamilton's, so shouldn't Hamilton get an extra point in the ratings...?
I've rarely looked at the ratings and thought they are ridiculous this year, there was some i didn't completely agree with but overall, i think they are good.
Surely on a scale of 1-10, 5 should be average?
At the moment, everyone is average or better.
timmy bolt
Nov 19 2010, 12:28
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 19 2010, 12:25)

Surely on a scale of 1-10, 5 should be average?
At the moment, everyone is average or better.
From what was said awhile ago, supposedly everyone starts at a perfect 10 and points are deducted for mistakes and slow times etc.
Bonaventura
Nov 19 2010, 13:07
QUOTE (timmy bolt @ Nov 19 2010, 13:23)

The Autosport ratings look pretty accurate to me, I think peoples memories have a way of forgetting some early parts of the season...
As for Kubica in Abu Dhabi, lets not forget that he did qualify behind his team mate, apart from that his performance was similar to Hamilton's, so shouldn't Hamilton get an extra point in the ratings...?
I've rarely looked at the ratings and thought they are ridiculous this year, there was some i didn't completely agree with but overall, i think they are good.
I think it evened out over the season
at least at the top 6 drivers (Ok ,Senna 10. is a bit redicolous)
And if you look at other stats this season, Lewis was the most constant driver out of the top 5.
Bonaventura
Nov 19 2010, 13:12
QUOTE (bauss @ Nov 19 2010, 09:35)


@ Button - Kovaleinen
Button = Kovalainen
the overall classification is pretty much the same with what i think about this season. the best 3 drivers are where they should be.
hamilton was by far the best driver, even with his costly mistakes in italy and singapore.
maybe one would put alonso behind rosberg, but i`m not convinced.
as for rbr drivers` positions they are correct performance wise, but assuming vettel has won wdc, he should be estimated at least on hamilton`s level, in my opinion. i was sure he would fail against webber before this season and in the end it appeared i was wrong. so, while the only real winner is the one who becomes wdc my list starts from vettel even if he wasn`t the best.
i can`t say anything about positions from 10th down the list, because i didn`t pay too much attention. and that also applies to kova`s ratings.
mlsnoopy
Nov 19 2010, 14:00
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 19 2010, 10:12)

There are numerous examples shown in this thread. Take a look at the posts immediately following the ratings.
Don't agree. The top is the way I see it and its hard for fans watching races to see how midfielders did. Just because someone doesn't like the driver that won, that doesn't make a rating rubbish.
karlth
Nov 19 2010, 16:29
QUOTE (mlsnoopy @ Nov 19 2010, 06:00)

Don't agree. The top is the way I see it and its hard for fans watching races to see how midfielders did. Just because someone doesn't like the driver that won, that doesn't make a rating rubbish.
I'm talking about inconsistencies rather than options.
For example why did Vettel get a 10 for Interlagos while Alonso got a 9? Vettel barely outperformed his teammate in the fastest car while Alonso dominated his Interlagos specialist teammate and finished 3rd.
That rating, just as an example, made no sense at all.
robefc
Nov 19 2010, 16:35
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 19 2010, 16:29)

I'm talking about inconsistencies rather than options.
For example why did Vettel get a 10 for Interlagos while Alonso got a 9? Vettel barely outperformed his teammate in the fastest car while Alonso dominated his Interlagos specialist teammate and finished 3rd.
That rating, just as an example, made no sense at all.
He got out qualified by hamilton, despite probably having a quicker car, and only got 3rd thanks to hamilton's mistake. 9 seems fair.
Meanwhile vettel can't have done anymore.
And I imagine autosport have decided massa is no sort of bench mark this season.
Even if you don't agree with the above the point is a rationale can be found, and presumably autosport had one for each score. Equally obviously everyone elses rationale will be slightly different.
korzeniow
Nov 19 2010, 16:42
QUOTE (robefc @ Nov 19 2010, 17:35)

He got out qualified by hamilton, despite probably having a quicker car, and only got 3rd thanks to hamilton's mistake. 9 seems fair.
Only because of HAM's mistake? No, because he drove much better race than HAM
robefc
Nov 19 2010, 16:44
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Nov 19 2010, 16:42)

Only because of HAM's mistake? No, because he drove much better race than HAM
I meant he got up to 3rd because of hamilton's mistake, although I probably mean 4th.
flyer121
Nov 19 2010, 16:46
QUOTE (robefc @ Nov 19 2010, 16:35)

He got out qualified by hamilton, despite probably having a quicker car, and only got 3rd thanks to hamilton's mistake. 9 seems fair.
Meanwhile vettel can't have done anymore.
And I imagine autosport have decided massa is no sort of bench mark this season.
Even if you don't agree with the above the point is a rationale can be found, and presumably autosport had one for each score. Equally obviously everyone elses rationale will be slightly different.
But at best these ratings are opiniated and subjective.
Alonso Vettel example pales when compared to Suzuka where Kubica got a high score where he did not even complete a full racing lap.
korzeniow
Nov 19 2010, 16:57
QUOTE (robefc @ Nov 19 2010, 17:44)

I meant he got up to 3rd because of hamilton's mistake, although I probably mean 4th.
So what? I don't understand you. You mean ALO doesn't deseve high note for the race because HAM drove clumsy?
robefc
Nov 19 2010, 16:58
QUOTE (flyer121 @ Nov 19 2010, 16:46)

But at best these ratings are opiniated and subjective.
Alonso Vettel example pales when compared to Suzuka where Kubica got a high score where he did not even complete a full racing lap.
Well obviously they are, it's one or a group of people's (albeit fairly informed) opinion.
What are you expecting?
Interestingly their annual ratings don't necessarily match the outcome of all the individual races, I think I read an article where someone mentioned that.
robefc
Nov 19 2010, 16:59
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Nov 19 2010, 16:57)

So what? I don't understand you. You mean ALO doesn't deseve high note for the race because HAM drove clumsy?
No, I'm explaining why he might have got a 9 rather than a 10.
Fastcake
Nov 19 2010, 17:21
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Nov 19 2010, 16:57)

So what? I don't understand you. You mean ALO doesn't deseve high note for the race because HAM drove clumsy?
Depends. If you started from tenth, drove half-heartily of the rest, and then ended up winning when the nine cars in front if you had their engines blow, would you deserve a high mark?
Gareth
Nov 19 2010, 17:40
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 19 2010, 12:25)

Surely on a scale of 1-10, 5 should be average?
True but how many "out of 10" style scores do you ever really see where 5 is an average mark? Pretty much any post rugby or post football match player rating, for example, seems to take a 6/7 as an average performance really. Not necessarily sensible but it's the way these things seem to work. Taking a 6.5 as an average score for this scoreboard, for example, seems to give a sensible spread of drivers above, around or below "average".
velgajski1
Nov 22 2010, 08:14
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 19 2010, 17:29)

I'm talking about inconsistencies rather than options.
For example why did Vettel get a 10 for Interlagos while Alonso got a 9? Vettel barely outperformed his teammate in the fastest car while Alonso dominated his Interlagos specialist teammate and finished 3rd.
That rating, just as an example, made no sense at all.
Vettel won the race, Alonso didn't do anything special - qualified lower then he should, but recovered really well in race - a solid 9, but not 10 by any case. Beating Massa after Germany GP can hardly be called a superb achievement. Had he gotten Webber it would be 10.
velgajski1
Nov 22 2010, 08:15
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 19 2010, 13:25)

Surely on a scale of 1-10, 5 should be average?
At the moment, everyone is average or better.
1-10 rating systems usually has 1-5 as negative, while 6-10 as positive scores. Which usually leads to situation where median is at 6-7.
mlsnoopy
Nov 22 2010, 09:11
QUOTE (karlth @ Nov 19 2010, 17:29)

I'm talking about inconsistencies rather than options.
For example why did Vettel get a 10 for Interlagos while Alonso got a 9? Vettel barely outperformed his teammate in the fastest car while Alonso dominated his Interlagos specialist teammate and finished 3rd.
That rating, just as an example, made no sense at all.
Vettel won Alonso came 3rd. Didn't do anything special. And it's eaasy to dominate someone when the team does it best to make it look you are miles better. Do you remember that Ferrari messed up Massa's pit stop and that he had to come in twice in two laps. Probably not. Like I said, the final rating is fine. You have a problem with it because Alonso didn't win it.
QUOTE (mlsnoopy @ Nov 22 2010, 18:11)

Vettel won Alonso came 3rd. Didn't do anything special. And it's eaasy to dominate someone when the team does it best to make it look you are miles better.
What did Vettel receive from RBR, which Webber did not?
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