heh?

Stefan had something to offer for this season... and now you think he seems to be wise and professional?

Stefan currently has a T-shirt and some plans... the window of opportunity has passed..

Compare his current website with his old one. If might only be a website, but how you present yourself to the world says a lot about you.

Well, as much as I supported their effort and as much as I hate to think of the Toyota kit collecting dust somewhere, Stefan GP is done in my book...

I don't give a damn how nice the website currently is...

The AMCO one was a keeper though, I hope it remained intact lol

Just photoshop We Want SGP onto a birth certificate.

A graffiti competition. This is truly hilarious now!

And I've just noticed the prize the winner will get a 'FREE TRIP TO THE FIRST GRAND PRIX OF SGP! FULLY PAID FOR, INCLUDING, HOTEL, TRANSPORT, AND A VISIT TO THE SGP PIT.' Yeah sure...

You can't be serious ....

THEY LIST FREAKIN SEBASTIEN LOEB AS AN "OPTION FOR THEM" IN 2010
http://www.stefangp.com/driver6.htm

They 're the same crooks they were last year, they just got a coat of polish

They had Toyota hardware and crew.... I wasn't their biggest fan last year, I'm talking about this year..

(I had several facepalm moments looking at the drivers page too, don't worry... lol)

Still up, pretty much unchanged, just some more controversial photos & text removed (like that German reconnaissance drone they didn't built but said they did).

Says WHO!? Nobody has EVER seen this "2010 toyota" that they claim they COULD have had.

Define 'Nobody'?

Kaz Nakajima and Villeneuve sat in it... the cars existed.. Toyota-Cologne wasn't selling air..

The cars weren't shown for political reasons... for instance, those things would have TRASHED anything the real new teams could offer.. I'm pretty confident about that.

Is that the circuit Stefan are proposing? The address is Russian, so maybe it's the proposal for Bernie's Russian Grand Prix.

BTW, have you ever figured out what was Petrov's manager doing on the photo with Stefanovic on the AMCO site?

This is still an unsolved mystery of sorts, right?

.rs is Serbia. Russia is .ru.

I didn't even know she was there. I probably wouldn't even recognise her if I saw her - Australian coverage of the races is generally limted to the race itself. No gridwalk, no post-race forum or discussion (or at least no intelligent discussion; the Australian commentators usually talk about how Webber did and then blame someone for him not winning).

I can't help feeling it might be worth buying a t-shirt and keeping it for 5-10 years before wearing it. Break it out for a visit to a 2020 GP and it'd be like wearing a MasterCard-Lola shirt to a race weekend now.

No he doesn't; it's in English, so you'd expect it to at least written and proofed by someone with an understanding of the language, yet it's littered with exactly the sort of mistakes that made the last one a joke.

I particularly like this:

"SGP will announce it's partners soon."

Is it?

How is he being professional by encouraging people to spray graffiti ? "We Want Stefan GP" sprayed on walls and on public buildings and on the side of trains etc is going to devalue F1 big time, F1 is about chic and sophistication and beautiful women and yachts and glamour not vandalism like Stefan is suggesting.

She's the blonde woman that FOM sometimes cut to looking annoyed/shocked in the Renault garage if Petrov spins or something.

Engish obviously isn't his first language.


Yeah, we don't get that.

Haha, it's true!

Ive seen her numerous times on Aus tv

Well, I haven't seen her. Don't know why that would be.

looks like a clone of autopolis in japan. Not a bad thing seeing how such a good course is too far from civilisation to be F1 worthy. Hopefully the bottom of the track on the map is the low part of the track, and the top the high point, like fuji.

I'd rather see passion to race rather than the chic and sophistication.

So there you go.

Most teams start development of their next years car the year before sometimes even the year before that if the regs are clear and lets remember that a 2010 car isn't so far removed from 2009 car so most likely Toyota, the biggest of the big buck runners, did have at least a prototype and full build schedule in place.

But hey, some very important poster in a forum hasn't seen it so I guess it can't be then.

Northern Serbia is flat as a pancake.

JV isn't nobody.

"Of course it's disappointing," he said. "The car and team looked very promising, but we always knew there was a risk without having the entry, and it was running late. So it's not a full surprise, but it's still disappointing.

"There was a lot of potential with the car. It was built and it was a full-blown project. It wasn't something started from scratch, and it was going to be competitive. It's a shame because it would have been a new team which could have run properly, but that's the way it is."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81843

I live on the same plain, just the Hungarian part of it. There can be elevations on a plain too, natural or artificial.

There's no top or bottom, the area it is supposed to be built looks like this:

pay attention maybe?

I like anyone that is tenacious in their approach. Stefanovich fits the bill. Whether he is successful is another matter though, hats off to him for persisting.

Stefan make me laugh, and so I like them. I don't care if they're professional or not. The mere fact that they're trying again – and recruiting a SGP street team of sorts (that graffiti contest is a wondrous combo of fail and win that = hilarious awesome) - endears them to me.

Yes, yes, F1 is serious sport involving serious money but there has to be room for characters too; shady ones, funny ones, raunchy ones, over-the-top ones, dreamers...even inept characters. I may be a McLaren fan, but I love the oddballs and the underdogs of the racing world too. Modern F1 needs more determined, nutty folks. I even have a soft spot for MyF1(or is that MyGP now?)Dream.

Of course, you never know - we could be underestimating Stefan GP quite unfairly. Stranger things have happened.

Haha another comedy website by Mr Stefanovic.

Have you noticed none of the other potential new teams for 2011 have barely said a word? Yet again this team is shouting that they should be chosen by the FIA.

I think McLaren will want to have a word with them about the use of the photo on this page http://stefangp.com/team.htm.

Ferrari will want too.

And they 'talked' with Seb Loeb. Impressive stuff! http://stefangp.com/news2.htm

It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Especially if that it's a Ferrari!

He's talking about the group photo with actual people...

It's incredibly silly using that picture.. how the hell are the connections made in their brains to end up actually doing such things lol?

Just because it's red doesn't make it a Ferrari - Stefanovic made it known last year that he was going to paint his cars "Serbian Olympic Red".

In a Campos Meta (now HRT) promotion .pdf there were photoshopped McLaren MP4-24 and photoshopped Ferrari pit stop pictures.

At Stefan GP, the red group picture is too small to identify anyone (and you can get such pictures from photo agencies for editorial usage), the car is 3D graphics modelled after a Ferrari but the ratios a bit different/incorrect and no Ferrari written on it.

Strictly seeing, such usages of colours and forms aren't challengable as illegal, even if you have a conception about them.

Campos didn't have better website and now that team is in F1.

My opinion is, if they can put together an F1 car, comply FIA crash tests, let them race!

Neither is it Domenicali's, nor Peter Sauber's, not is it that of Haug, or of many of the top brass in F1 teams; a little while ago you made this - absolutely correct - remark:

"....how you present yourself to the world says a lot about you"

If you can't be arsed to get an English language website proofed by someone who knows how to write in that language you're failing in the presentation stakes at the very first hurdle. It's quite a simple undertaking - a basic one, in fact.

Stefanovic wants to get on the grid. English is not a pre-requisite for racing, and given the choice between learning the language and building the team, he's obviously taking the team-buiding option. And whie his English isn't exactly crash-hot, at least he's trying. He might not say things properly, but you can understand him if you try a little.

You're missing my point, and also ignoring your own prior one. It was you who said that how you present says a lot, and what this website says is that the proprietor could not even be bothered to get the grammar correct. The last one was the same - a mass of ill written, poorly constructed sentences that portrayed not a professional outlook but someone having a laugh. Getting your website proof read and correctly presented in the language it is written in isn't something that is difficult to do, and nor is it something that takes time - it's a basic, simple task that is cheap to do and makes you look less like a laughing stock. If this was a job application - and in effect it is - it would go straight into the bin as it shows a lack of professionalism, let alone effort.

If he can't afford to get a proper web site up, what chance does he have at actually you know building a team? Also English really is a pre-requisite for anything international nowadays, so if he's serious I would hire some PR that actually can speak it, rather than run it all through Google translate.

If you're annoyed with something not enough English there, let them know: http://stefangp.com/contact.htm

To me the website is enough English, and I can't proof read it as English isn't my native language and I never learned it in school. Some 'accent' here and there couldn't bother me. I use to see mistakes, typos in Autosport.com articles.

English can be kind of pre-requisite, but still, even if you're qualified non-native English speaker, many foreign languages have very different thinking behind it, which lead to mistakes even if your job is designing websites in English in a foreign country.

I meant this is clearly a photo of the McLaren team in red victory t-shirts after a win - which should not be used on Stefan's site.

You identify no-one on it, and this picture would be available for you for editorial usage from agencies, so you can't have proof the usage of the image is illegal.

While there's nothing wrong with having the image per se, claiming another teams images as your own is hardly creating a trustworthy image for Stefen.

Looking here:

http://www.stefangp.com/media.htm

He's using the CAD images of the USF1 car. Anderson and Stefanovich have been trying to come to some agreement. One wonders how far that agreement has gone, but most concerning to those he (Anderson) still owes money to, is it his design to sell? I seriously doubt it.

He probably didn't mean a legality aspect but within the Spirit of F1...

Doubt he's acting alone if that is truly the case... then again any where he can draw money to pay creditors would be greatly appreciated by the courts/vendors that owed funds..