If you go to the Berger claim thread, there was a pic when Webber was in the middle of the road.....he had 3 wheels on the ground, one was up. Breaking in the middle of a tight road would have caused more damage mate to Rosberg and the in comning Hamilton (Alonso already passed him at this stage).

I'll try and find the pic mate. But you do realize, that the first instinct for any driver is to drive again after the crash yeah? Stopping in the middle of the road (if he braked) would actually give me a reason he wanted to mess up someones race...

Agree. I am now totally convinced that he is simply built that way. He is doing no wrong by his own standards.

The question is - whether Straight Talk is such a good thing to do at this stage of the ch'ships? He has the most to lose if he pisses his team off.

What about, always making the most of it and not crashing yourself out of a race? Plenty of drivers who have done that more often than Webber this season.

Thanks, and I wasn't even trying.

But the important thing is how Webber came from: When Webber was asked if he would drive to team orders he replied: "I doubt it." (pre Brazil 2009), to
"I'm not sure, but it's still too early (to be favoured) at the moment, but not far away I would say." (post Belgian GP 2010). So I guess his stance on team orders depends on his position in the standings.

Links:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Button+gets+......-a0209790962

http://sportal.com.au/motorsport-news-disp...,-back-me-97647

That's a fair point valuk, but IIRC Webber said "i doubt it" after qualifying. Mark was on the front row & Seb had qualified 16th. Now in that context it's understandable that Webber would say he doubted he could help Seb don't you think? If i'm incorrect i'll happily apologise & concede Webber was being a tool.

It was started by Webber who criticized his team publicly. The obvious thing here which he did not mention is the team's refusal to help him by team order. Webber expected the team to do that but the team will wait until there is no mathematical chance for the other driver. Webber got plenty of support from the usual pundits. But they all forget that McLaren are taking a similar stance. Hamilton cannot expect Button to help if Button is in a position to win the race.

Webber is thinking himself out of the title at the moment, unless he knows something big within the team that we don't. The problem is the more he sees a conspiracy against him, the more it will impact his performance on the track and he risks talking and thinking himself out of a title shot.

Much better if he just accepts the situation and sets out to do the best job he can and focus on himself and his performance. I think the pressure of being in with a title shot has got to him in the same way it gets to every driver the first time around.

I'm Australian. It's not a cultural thing it's a stereotype that happens to fit as an excuse for his behaviour this time around.

According to the BBC commentary team in FP1 the raging hot rumour in the paddock this weekend is that Mark Webber will not be with Red Bull next year. Most likely to retire, very slight chance he may go to the red cars.

So it's now an "official" rumour. Pats on the back for those of us who saw it coming many races ago.

According to the BBC commentary team in FP1 the raging hot rumour in the paddock this weekend is that Mark Webber will not be with Red Bull next year. Most likely to retire, very slight chance he may go to the red cars.

So it's now an "official" rumour. Pats on the back for those of us who saw it coming many races ago.

I don't understand all the "Webber fans" saying, "I hope he wins the wdc then retires." I hope he wins the wdc too. I hope he gives his team a right bollocking, if they deserve it, and it looks like they do. But I do NOT hope he retires at the end of the year as I'm massively more interested in F1 when there's a good Aussie to cheer for.

Hello, my name is Mark Webber. My favorite hobby is this :

Hello, my name is Mark Webber. My favorite hobby is this :

You want a pat on the back for that? I'm not sure you're wrong, as all the goings-on lately seem to be indicating that you're not.....but I sure hope you are wrong.

I don't understand all the "Webber fans" saying, "I hope he wins the wdc then retires." I hope he wins the wdc too. I hope he gives his team a right bollocking, if they deserve it, and it looks like they do. But I do NOT hope he retires at the end of the year as I'm massively more interested in F1 when there's a good Aussie to cheer for.

The really interesting question is - who will Red Bull bring on as Vettel's #2? Buemi? Ricciardo? Raikkonen?

Why not burn it if you have no plans to use it again, though?

I know what you mean, but Mark wants to go out at the top of his game, not playing bitch to Vettel next year, as we all now know will be the case. I'd prefer to see him in Ferrari then retire, but in my opinion he lost that option when he chose to extend with Red Bull and they re-signed Massa. It makes no sense to take Webber on for one year before Kubica arrives when Massa does a reasonable job. It'd be a lot of money to throw away. Perhaps if Mark can bring the #1 to Ferrari...but then we know he'd be happy to retire anyway.

The really interesting question is - who will Red Bull bring on as Vettel's #2? Buemi? Ricciardo? Raikkonen?

According to the BBC commentary team in FP1 the raging hot rumour in the paddock this weekend is that Mark Webber will not be with Red Bull next year. Most likely to retire, very slight chance he may go to the red cars.

So it's now an "official" rumour. Pats on the back for those of us who saw it coming many races ago.

Well , by that logic , even this year he was supposed to play rear gunner (by Webbo's own admission) , so nothing really would change.
He can continue to unsettle SV and we will all get another exciting year

If SV loses out WDC to Webbo and next year he is up against Raikkonen, and he loses to him (which is very likely) - SV would go ballistic!!

I didn't hear that. Though I stopped listening after a while, how far in?

The Buemi tidbit though was VERY interesting, I wonder who the problem is with - Marko or Tost?

Ricardo F1 - . Horner sounded genuinely lost when talking to Holly Samos, for once he didn't seem to have the prepared answers to trot out about.

Based on things that have happened this year I'm sure Webber feels he won't be placed in a position where he can genuinely challenge Vettel in 2011, it was after all an accident of design this year (the EBD being more to Mark's taste initially).

BBC F1 commentator Jonathan Legard: "The build-up here has been dominated by in-house arguments at Red Bull. I saw team boss Christian Horner and Mark Webber having a heart-to-heart outside the Red Bull hospitality area last night. Webber in particular looked very animated. The Australian's mood won't have been helped by a comment made by Sebastian Vettel in an interview with German TV. He said 'If Mark needs help then he should take the medical car'. On the basis of that remark, it's hard to see how Horner can believe that Vettel will do anything to help Webber's cause if and when the German is out of title contention."

BBC P1 Feed:
1315: On our Red Button coverage there's more speculation about Mark Webber and his Red Bull future. The Aussie did sign a one-year contract extension back in June but BBC pit-lane reporter Holly Samos says the rumour in the paddock is that he will leave Red Bull at the end of the season whether he wins the title or not. Interesting. Kravitz says the chat is that Webber wouldn't go to another team if he left Red Bull and would simply retire. Anyway, Button is up to fourth with a 1:13.267.

Looks like a real possibility now.

Confirmation that Webber is indeed using the Singapore/Suzuka chassis, not a "new" chassis as Horner implied:

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_c...&Itemid=157

Horner really is a wily customer!

According to the BBC commentary team in FP1 the raging hot rumour in the paddock this weekend is that Mark Webber will not be with Red Bull next year. Most likely to retire, very slight chance he may go to the red cars.

So it's now an "official" rumour. Pats on the back for those of us who saw it coming many races ago.

Not really, it was more down to bad luck and a cracked chassis that put Vettel on the back foot. Other than his occasional brainfades though Mark has driven very well.

IMHO if you're RBR you do whatever you can to get Heidfeld that second seat. Tell him his place, he won't say no.

The guy at risk her eis actually Ricciardo, if he gets promoted he has nowhere to go whilst Vettel is there.

And surely someone like Ricciardo would be happy enough to play the game for a year or two anyway, just to get a ride at the senior team if that's his ticket into F1.

I think Webber is a good number 2 for Red Bull.

If you equalize the mechanical issues for both drivers Webber would be 3 race victories and at least 70 points further behind and he's only really provided a challenge for Vettel at 4 or 5 races this year (two of which the team claimed Vettel had a compromised chassis for). Unlike Massa, he can be 'almost there' and consistently deliver podiums.

The downside is the way he is playing the British media. I can't believe how much they are happy to gloss over all of the mistakes Webber has made and the handicap Vettel has had this year when comparing their seasons. I even remember Webber making tongue in cheek WW2 references to the Germans this year when discussing the team with British journos (sorry no links).

Before Brazil 2009, when Mark was already out of the fight for the championship: When Webber was asked if he would drive to team orders he replied: "I doubt it."
What changed?

"The team knows it's a long-shot, but we're still in with a chance," Webber told AUTOSPORT. "This is F1 and anything can happen.

"Jenson has had a tough back part of the championship. There have been a lot of teams arriving at the front - Lewis Hamilton and all those guys. Different cars have operated well at different tracks and that's what has made it hard for Jenson to close the deal.

"I think that he has driven sensationally and I think if he is the world champion, he deserves it.

"We have scored a lot of points and Brawn have more than us, but it is still a phenomenal season for the team. There are still a lot of positives."

Webber has also clarified reports suggesting that he is unwilling to support Vettel's title bid, saying that he will do whatever he ca to help the team.

"If I can help Red Bull, of course I will," said Webber. "I was asked what would happen in a certain situation and what I could have said is that I will do whatever to help the team. But what I actually said was that I doubt the situation would arise - and I still do now.

"The race is long and to do a perfect grand prix for the right situation is not that straightforward. I that does happen, then we will do what we can do.

"But I am getting out of bed thinking about getting the best result for me because that's what I've got to do. If I can help Red Bull, I can do it."

Just to put a stop to you posting this repeatedly, heres a story from Autosport last year:



Which, I think was the obvious gist of his original comments before they were selectively cut in order to make headlines.

Stop trotting out the cracked chassis crap ad nauseum. No other team writes bloody pr statements about their chassis. It was done to unsettle Mark and boost Vettel's confidence. It has been established from other sources that Webber's chassis was not right at Singapore and Suzuka, just not an official PR trot out from the team. I wonder why?

The team is full of liars with an agenda so if you want to keep talking about cracked chassis start talking about Mark's chassis.

Red Bull PR statement =Take it with a grain of salt

Are you going to counter any of the points slideways has made or just throw your arms up and label it "anti webber". If you have been around long enough you will realise slideways and I are both big Webber fans. What we don't do is hold back when he's performing shit, and the past 8-9 races his driving has been poor based on what I know he is capable of.

Slideways is right. Seb has Mark covered on track, Mark knows it and is behaving poorly with the media.

Vettel responds to Webber’s outburst

What we don't do is hold back when he's performing shit, and the past 8-9 races his driving has been poor based on what I know he is capable of.

Slideways is right. Seb has Mark covered on track, Mark knows it and is behaving poorly with the media.