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Kub
QUOTE (Grenada @ Oct 24 2010, 17:15) *
I really don't like the BBC team although I am in the minority. Jake, the main presenter, is childish and annoying, DC is stiff and annoying, Eddie Jordan is sometimes entertaining, but quite rude and annoying too, Legard the commentator is atrocious and I cannot understand for the life of me why he still has a job, Lee McKenzie's interviewing could be done by anyone and is repetitive, and Brundle looks like he has had the life sucked out of him when you contrast his performance to when he was on ITV. The only one who is consistently on the ball, interesting and excellent at his investigating and presenting is Ted Kravitz. On the forum they fawn over Button and hardly mention Hamilton usually. They occasionally have interesting guests, but it is all so in love with itself, it's irritating.


My opinion is totally different. I love BBC's show, thouroughly enjoy DC's and Eddie's ramblings and Martin's gridwalk and comments, Ted is also great, and their pre-recorded materials and editorials are always top-notch. It's the best TV show I ever watched, maybe only second to Conan O'Brien's one on NBC. Yes, Jake is sometimes just a smartass, and Legard should be dropped, but all in all it's the best F1 show ever for me. So much better than RTL, Rai Uno, Speed or ITV.

You guys should appreciate what you have. It won't get much better than this.
thelastspot
I think the BBC program is quite a bit better then what ITV was doing.

I wanted to give Jonathan Legard the benefit of the doubt, but this race really sealed it for me. Here I am, watching the race in Canada, and I can follow the action better! sad.gif

Martin Brundle and Ted Kravitz are the stand outs for me, and the rest of the team does pretty well too. The Pre-Race stuff is very good, I love the tech insights.

Jake has surprised me, as he really is quite on top of things for someone who is obviously a commentator first, F1 fan second (or even third..). I do feel like his taped interviews are a bit too confrontational, but his live on the spot stuff is awesome.

DC and Eddie are quite funny, with both getting more into the grove now. Eddie seemed a little too Star-Struck the first few races, and Monaco, but he seems to have calmed down a bit.

Lee McKenzie seems dam good at what she does too, good interviews.
Crafty
I thought the forum was fine. Not sure what this "they only play attention to the top teams" thing is all about.
They've interviewed Tony F from Lotus and both Lotus drivers at least once, I think twice ? in fact one forum was held in the Lotus hospitality area.
They had John Booth and Nick Wirth on a few races ago, followed by the Virgin drivers ?
they did an interview with Kobayashi after Suzuka.

The DC at McLaren thing didn't work out really.

I think Lee has a tough break really - her job is to talk to drivers if/when they retire. Kind of limits the questions you can ask doesn't it ?

I'm surprised that people haven't realised EJ is there to stir it up a bit and wind people (especially DC) up.

Brundle is still a racer in his head and makes the calls that way, still loves his racing and its a genuine passion that Legard couldn't even begin to understand.

On a slightly related note, I've seen Toby Moody mention F1 a bit recently on his twitter - is this a new thing or quite normal for him ?
rhukkas
Most of the BBC team like tired, and bored with the whole thing. Eddie Jordan is repetitive and Brundle is looking war weery. Jake has his eye on the bigger prize (Olympics 2012) and the whole team lack a clinical edge.

There's not much in the show that isn't replicated, and improved on the internet. Times are a changin' ;)
Welsh
I suspect the whole F1 TV industry is aware of Legard's performance during the Korean race now.....

Someone does need to point out to him the coloured T on each F1 car is a big clue as to who is driving which team car..... He is making worse mistakes than Murray ever did.
kar
QUOTE (rhukkas @ Oct 25 2010, 09:19) *
Most of the BBC team like tired, and bored with the whole thing. Eddie Jordan is repetitive and Brundle is looking war weery. Jake has his eye on the bigger prize (Olympics 2012) and the whole team lack a clinical edge.

There's not much in the show that isn't replicated, and improved on the internet. Times are a changin' ;)


This.

This season I think has killed a lot of the people involved in the sport. I wonder how much longer this circus can continue like it is? Next year will probably see the breaking point.

I know for a fact, I'm a pretty hardcore fan, but there's no way in hell I'm going to be allowed to spend every second weekend _watching_ this sport over pretty much an entire year. I can't imagine how the families of those involved stay together given the demands being imposed by the schedule.
onemoresolo
I wasn't convinced by DC being at McLaren this weekend - great idea, but in practice I don't think it was as insightful as perhaps it could have been.

Legard - same old same old. ROSBERG'S GOT PAST HAMILTON! I mean seriously. There's no excuse. The fact that he's going after two weeks means I'm more accepting of it than I otherwise would be.
philhitchings
Crafty, Toby follows F1 closely he and Jules have had several digs in recent MGP coverage, relating to Ferrari's German GP team orders.
hogstar
I've tried to defend Legard, but I can't anymore. He was all over the place at the weekend - a shocking performance. One question that needs answering is will his replacement be someone with extensive knowledge or just someone to sell-out F1 even further?

I might be on my own with this view, but I much preferred the BBC set-up from the 1980's i.e It was for F1 fans and nobody else. It would be on Sunday Grandstand with Murray and James having a leisurely chat for 30 minutes or so before the GP. It wasn't trying to impress anyone. If you didn't like F1 then tough, turn over to another channel! When F1 tried to become too commercial and reach out for an audience that did not wish to care, it waters everything down. F1 was elitist and I liked it that way. What next - celebrity driver?
Tony Matthews
QUOTE (hogstar @ Oct 25 2010, 12:31) *
I might be on my own with this view, but I much preferred the BBC set-up from the 1980's i.e It was for F1 fans and nobody else. It would be on Sunday Grandstand with Murray and James having a leisurely chat for 30 minutes or so before the GP. It wasn't trying to impress anyone. If you didn't like F1 then tough, turn over to another channel! When F1 tried to become too commercial and reach out for an audience that did not wish to care, it waters everything down. F1 was elitist and I liked it that way. What next - celebrity driver?

That was towards the end of the era in which the BBC was a public broadcasting service, un-hampered by trying to please advertisers and sponsors. Now it behaves like any commercial broadcaster, even though it is funded by vast amounts of public money, and still has no need to fight for ratings. The BBC has largely forgotten that if the programmes are superb, the viewers will be attracted, rather than chasing viewers by 'dumbing-down'. I was not a fan of Murray Walker, and Martin Brundle is superb - given the chance to speak - but the general sensationalist, gimmicky approach is tiring. Getting rid of Leg-end would do something to calm me down.
D.M.N.
Complaints to BBC from yesterday getting some publicity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/2...-one-grand-prix

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The BBC has received nearly 300 complaints from viewers after it switched live coverage of yesterday's Korean Formula One grand prix from BBC1 to BBC2 after the race was delayed because of rain.

Coverage of the grand prix was due to run on BBC1 from 6am to 9.15am, when The Andrew Marr Show was scheduled to begin.

The politics show was put back by 15 minutes to 9.30am, but the grand prix had still not finished and the live coverage was switched to BBC2 for another hour. Unfortunately for the BBC, that was when many of the most exciting incidents took place. As a result some 273 complained to the BBC.

Some viewers who had set their personal video recorders to record the grand prix claimed that they had been deprived of the climax to the race.

But the BBC pointed out that the race was shown again "as live" on BBC1 at 2pm, with highlights on BBC3 at 7pm, and it was also available to view on the BBC's iPlayer. The delay to its coverage was due to circumstances beyond its control, the BBC said.

The start of the race was delayed by 10 minutes but was then halted after just two laps because of the amount of water on the track. It was restarted after 45 minutes behind the safety car, which did not leave the track until the end of lap 17.

BBC1's coverage of the race between 6am and 9.30am averaged 1.328 million viewers. An hour of extra coverage on BBC2 between 9.30am and 10.30am averaged 1.595 million viewers.

A BBC spokesman said: "Sunday's Korean Grand Prix was delayed due to extreme weather. The subsequent disruption to the schedule was flagged up to the audience throughout via the commentary and was also made clear again just prior to switching the coverage to BBC Two.

"The race was re-run in full on BBC One at 1400 and was available on-demand via BBC iPlayer. There was also an hour-long highlights show transmitted at 1900 on BBC Three. The BBC is committed to showing all 19 Grands Prix live and as our flagship channel BBC One is the natural home for Formula One.

"However, the BBC also has a responsibility to reflect a wide range of interests and therefore the decision was taken to switch the F1 coverage to BBC Two until its conclusion."
Ross Stonefeld
Some people are never pleased.
Alfisti
I Webber hadn't just been romantic with the wall i'd have pissed myself laughing when a Nico Rosberg looking Nico Rosberg was walking toward the camera and announced as Lewis Hamilton.

How the HELL did he manage that exactly?
Fastcake
Some people moan about anything. It would certainly be complaint worthy in the past when it was harder to watch the race again, but now that we live in an age with multiple replays and online on-demand tv, its hardly a hassle to catch the race. It may be annoying to have recorded half the grand prix, but the BBC aren't going to change the entire morning schedule for events outside their control.
smitten
Typically disingenuous response from the BBC. Available on iPlayer? The BBC2 transmission of the last hour was not on iPlayer until mid-afternoon.

Mind you, if you want to complain about BBC coverage you should see what they do to MotoGP coverage rolleyes.gif
phil1993
Couldn't those 300 people have complained about Legard instead?
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (phil1993 @ Oct 25 2010, 17:54) *
Couldn't those 300 people have complained about Legard instead?


It was Legard's fault that the race was put on iPlayer late.

Hopefully they edited out the Rosberg overtake..
Ross Stonefeld
QUOTE (smitten @ Oct 25 2010, 17:53) *
Typically disingenuous response from the BBC. Available on iPlayer? The BBC2 transmission of the last hour was not on iPlayer until mid-afternoon.

Mind you, if you want to complain about BBC coverage you should see what they do to MotoGP coverage rolleyes.gif


So a few hours after the race ended? If people were that desperate they should have watched the live broadcast.
Crafty
Whilst I appreciate that switching channels is a bit of a pain, given the circumstances I think it was reasonable.

The other option would be to cut coverage.

What they shouldn't do is what they did at Easter and schedule it to change channel.


Ferrari_F1_fan_2001
The coverage isn't perfect but what do you expect a LIVE transmission???? The coverage you currently have from the BBC is probably the best ever and the majority of you still complain.

you've never had it so good.
Murdoch
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Oct 25 2010, 18:23) *
So a few hours after the race ended? If people were that desperate they should have watched the live broadcast.


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dank
Evidentially these 300 whiners have never tried to record anything off of Eurosport recently...
Kub
QUOTE (Alfisti @ Oct 25 2010, 18:44) *
I Webber hadn't just been romantic with the wall i'd have pissed myself laughing when a Nico Rosberg looking Nico Rosberg was walking toward the camera and announced as Lewis Hamilton.
How the HELL did he manage that exactly?


To be honest, I don't for a moment think that he really thought it was Lewis, it sounded like a silly mistake, like when you want to say one thing but you say something completely different, because your mind is focused on something else. Freudian slip.

More damaging was his "Rosberg overtook Hamilton!" thing, because it indicated the guy has completely lost it.
billm99uk
QUOTE (dank @ Oct 25 2010, 19:42) *
Evidentially these 300 whiners have never tried to record anything off of Eurosport recently...


lol.gif You too?
ensign14
Never trust a product with Euro in its name.
d246
I got up and watched it whilst in a remote part of the UK. Just as I switched to BBC2 I realised there was no reception. Managed to avoid hours of news / media before arriving back in civilisation to watch the last hour or so.
billfenner1967
Of all the fluffs Legard made on Sunday, I must say my favourite was when Brundle mentioned that Di Grassi had set a purple second sector as he caught up with the pack under the safety car. Brundle was making a salient point about how quickly the cars could go if allowed to race proper. But then Legard evidently glanced at the live timing and saw Schumacher's name in purple and immediately barked, "But Schumacher's just set the fastest lap now!" Brundle then calmly explained that this was for the previous lap, under the safety car, and totally moot to the point Brundle was making about the cars driving at racing speed if allowed to as Di Grassi just proved by going 10 seconds faster than anyone in that one sector.

You'd think with all the races Legard has commentated on that he wouldn't get so easily confused by the live timing screen.
Alfisti
QUOTE (d246 @ Oct 26 2010, 00:06) *
I got up and watched it whilst in a remote part of the UK. Just as I switched to BBC2 I realised there was no reception. Managed to avoid hours of news / media before arriving back in civilisation to watch the last hour or so.


How can a country the size of an australian postal code have remote areas wink.gif
Alfisti
QUOTE (billfenner1967 @ Oct 26 2010, 00:07) *
Of all the fluffs Legard made on Sunday, I must say my favourite was when Brundle mentioned that Di Grassi had set a purple second sector as he caught up with the pack under the safety car. Brundle was making a salient point about how quickly the cars could go if allowed to race proper. But then Legard evidently glanced at the live timing and saw Schumacher's name in purple and immediately barked, "But Schumacher's just set the fastest lap now!" Brundle then calmly explained that this was for the previous lap, under the safety car, and totally moot to the point Brundle was making about the cars driving at racing speed if allowed to as Di Grassi just proved by going 10 seconds faster than anyone in that one sector.

You'd think with all the races Legard has commentated on that he wouldn't get so easily confused by the live timing screen.



That's a fine example, he just has no idea, it's all too much for him. it moves too quick and is too complex for him to geddit.
Disgrace
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Oct 25 2010, 17:38) *
Complaints to BBC from yesterday getting some publicity...


More would've complained if Andrew Marr had been bumped to Beeb 2. Lose-lose for the BBC and was F1's fault for pissing around behind the safety car for an excess 15-20 minutes at least.
billm99uk
QUOTE (Alfisti @ Oct 25 2010, 22:09) *
How can a country the size of an Australian postal code have remote areas wink.gif



It's not that they're far away as such, it's just that because we have very windy roads, they're very hard to find tongue.gif
Crafty
QUOTE (billfenner1967 @ Oct 25 2010, 22:07) *
Of all the fluffs Legard made on Sunday, I must say my favourite was when Brundle mentioned that Di Grassi had set a purple second sector as he caught up with the pack under the safety car. Brundle was making a salient point about how quickly the cars could go if allowed to race proper. But then Legard evidently glanced at the live timing and saw Schumacher's name in purple and immediately barked, "But Schumacher's just set the fastest lap now!" Brundle then calmly explained that this was for the previous lap, under the safety car, and totally moot to the point Brundle was making about the cars driving at racing speed if allowed to as Di Grassi just proved by going 10 seconds faster than anyone in that one sector.

You'd think with all the races Legard has commentated on that he wouldn't get so easily confused by the live timing screen.


But he regularly does, especially in qualifying. Only a couple of races ago he told us about this:

Driver C is in P1.
Driver A does a sector 1 and is three tenths up. Fine. Driver A continues for the rest of the lap, but does not complete it before Driver B completes sector one, who is shown as two tenths up - this is obviously to Driver C as the timing system only does the gaps based on the fastest, complete lap.

According to Legard Driver B is 3 tenths up on driver A in S1 rolleyes.gif

It took him a season and a half to stop squawking about drivers setting purple times at the start of Q2 and Q3.

He's also got confused when the graphic shows the gap to P10 in Q2, he thinks its the gap to P1, so all of a sudden it looks like we're going to get a Force India/Williams etc on pole as they are shown as being "up", in fact they are just going to scrape in to Q3.
Haribo
QUOTE (dank @ Oct 25 2010, 19:42) *
Evidentially these 300 whiners have never tried to record anything off of Eurosport recently...


I tried once - never again lol.gif
chrisblades85
QUOTE (Haribo @ Oct 25 2010, 22:35) *
I tried once - never again lol.gif



Same as that. Law to their own, that channel! roflmao.gif
Doughnut King
QUOTE (dank @ Oct 25 2010, 19:42) *
Evidentially these 300 whiners have never tried to record anything off of Eurosport recently...


Ain't that the truth, rule of thumb set it to record everything after it for at least half an hour but there's no guarantee that they'll show the start.

I remember once however when i tried to watch F3000 (yes a long time ago) when i tuned in at the scheduled time only to catch the commentators signing off.
peterhent
This tickled me just now...

I wanted to see if there was any more info on Foghorn Leghard being booted from the BBC, so I googled "Jonathan Legard".

One of the top stories was carried by Yahoo sports news. Yahoo, as we all know, have an exclamation mark in their company name. So the Google result reads...

BBC F1 to ditch Legard...for Cox? - Yahoo!


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Rob
QUOTE (peterhent @ Oct 26 2010, 12:01) *
This tickled me just now...

I wanted to see if there was any more info on Foghorn Leghard being booted from the BBC, so I googled "Jonathan Legard".

One of the top stories was carried by Yahoo sports news. Yahoo, as we all know, have an exclamation mark in their company name. So the Google result reads...

BBC F1 to ditch Legard...for Cox? - Yahoo!


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Charlie Cox is terrible. There are plenty of good commentators out there, yet we've already ended up with two crap ones in a row. Please don't make it three...
kar
I think one google search says 1000 words

Owen
roflmao.gif like it. Nice how it ends in 'Jonathan... leggett' as well.
billfenner1967
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 26 2010, 12:07) *
Charlie Cox is terrible. There are plenty of good commentators out there, yet we've already ended up with two crap ones in a row. Please don't make it three...

Hmm ... I quite like Cox and Parrish as a team for MotoGP since they often make, sadly, somewhat dull spectacle of MotoGP a bit more interesting. But for F1? I don't think the fans would appreciate that kind of commentary. I wouldn't say Cox is terrible, but I think he's unsuitable.

The model for brilliant F1 commentary is Walker and Hunt. Well, in Brundle they've got a Hunt so all they need now is a motorsport journalist who can speak sensibly while the action is happening. Is it really that difficult to find one?! It seems Murrary Walker was really a one in a million because no one has come close to matching him since he retired.
smitten
QUOTE (billfenner1967 @ Oct 26 2010, 12:40) *
The model for brilliant F1 commentary is Walker and Hunt. Well, in Brundle they've got a Hunt so all they need now is a motorsport journalist who can speak sensibly while the action is happening. Is it really that difficult to find one?! It seems Murrary Walker was really a one in a million because no one has come close to matching him since he retired.


Is this the same Walker that used to twitter on insensibly for half the race? I know most (including myself) have a soft spot for Walker and nobody can doubt his commitment to the sport, but modern commentary is much better informed and lucid.

rhukkas
QUOTE (billfenner1967 @ Oct 26 2010, 12:40) *
Hmm ... I quite like Cox and Parrish as a team for MotoGP since they often make, sadly, somewhat dull spectacle of MotoGP a bit more interesting.



Are you serious. It's the SAME old repetitive nonsense with those two. parish, every race, talks about the same things - tyre contact patch the size of a credit car, and then how much force there is under braking on the arms. Cox is worse with his constant usage of the word 'poofteenth' and then talking about what they get up to with the 'rentacar'. Tire some nonsense. Flick over to Eurosport during the BBC coverage and it's like watching a completely different race altogether.

Parish without Cox is fairly decent, so maybe it's the same for Cox without Parish. One can only hope...
Rob
QUOTE (rhukkas @ Oct 26 2010, 12:48) *
Parish without Cox is fairly decent, so maybe it's the same for Cox without Parish. One can only hope...


At the TT, they have Parish and James Whitham commentating. Those two together are really good.
Ross Stonefeld
I liked Cox when he did BTCC coverage, it didn't get too predictable. But BTCC during the Super Touring era was often more entertaining than MotoGP has been the last few seasons. Some of the bike races have been very formulaic so there's no surprise the commentary follows a similar line.
topical
QUOTE (kar @ Oct 26 2010, 13:12) *
I think one google search says 1000 words



The internet can be very cruel.
Ross Stonefeld
In fairness that's just a ranking of what other people are searching for. And that people on the internet don't like Legard is nothing new.
Alexis*27
QUOTE
people on the internet


That would be virtually everyone then roflmao.gif roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Ross Stonefeld
I reckon most people have better things to do on the internet than worry about the BBC commentator, but perspective has never been your strong point.
Andrew Hope
You'd think by now people would know those Google search photos are fakes, but then again, you'd also think people's lives wouldn't be so shallow and empty they have to run to a computer after every race to piss and moan about someone that while not the best certainly isn't awful or anywhere near as bad as a lot of you make him out to be. Are the regulars in this thread actually F1 fans, or do you just tune in every weekend to have new ammunition and reasons to hate commentators and presenters and all the other shit that doesn't really matter?
OwenC93
QUOTE (andrew. @ Oct 26 2010, 19:00) *
You'd think by now people would know those Google search photos are fakes.

Try it yourself.
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