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slideways
I'm not even British and I'm impressed by your response. up.gif
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (JasonSw @ Mar 8 2010, 08:48) *
I have seen the messages on this forum regarding the difference between the practice audio and the race audio, so I was aware of it and will try to make it better this year.

Cheers,

Jason


Cheers Jason, really appreciate the time you've spent responding up.gif
D.M.N.
BBC F1 Preview --> Part 1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8549721.stm (focusing on Schumi's return). Exactly the same as what is on the Red Button - 8 out of the 45 minutes.

And a blog from Leg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanlegard/...-talks-you.html
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 8 2010, 10:14) *
BBC F1 Preview --> Part 1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8549721.stm (focusing on Schumi's return). Exactly the same as what is on the Red Button - 8 out of the 45 minutes.


... Surely they will put up the whole thing, right? confused.gif

I don't see why they're chopping it up..


EDIT : Hold on where did you find that? It's not on the BBC page as far as I can see.
pRy
All parts are there now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/default.stm
SpeedRacer`
Jason, any news on the uninterupted 5Live feed for qualfying and the race on the red button?

I know this is currently holding quite a few people back from listening in including me ... cheers
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 8 2010, 10:36) *


Cheers. Still wish it was in 1 lump though tongue.gif

QUOTE (SpeedRacer` @ Mar 8 2010, 10:37) *
Jason, any news on the uninterupted 5Live feed for qualfying and the race on the red button?

I know this is currently holding quite a few people back from listening in including me ... cheers


http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...t&p=4196076

Doesn't sound too good unfortunately.
JasonSw
QUOTE (SpeedRacer` @ Mar 8 2010, 10:37) *
Jason, any news on the uninterupted 5Live feed for qualfying and the race on the red button?

I know this is currently holding quite a few people back from listening in including me ... cheers


I posted a reply to this a few days ago on his very thread explaining why it is not possible this year.

Sorry.

Jason

P.S. to be honest the interruptions are pretty minimal and should be no longer than 30 seconds. I hope it does not mean you wont try us out?
Don_Humpador
The BBC have finally added an 'F1 Videos' link on the left hand bar! At last! They've listened to people who wanted to be able to watch the videos in a coordinated, organised manner. Thank God for the BB- Oh. It comes up with a 404 - page not found roflmao.gif


Once they fix it, i'm sure it'll be great up.gif
froggy22
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 8 2010, 10:36) *

Coulthard has become more bitter than EJ roflmao.gif i think thy were being harsh on the new teams. Ej said theyre on F3 pace, which is unbelievably untrue, theyre faster then GP2
pRy
Kinda shocked no one thought Schumacher has a chance at the title.
D.M.N.
FREEVIEW READERS - see below:

QUOTE
301 - BBC Red Button 1
Thu, Mar 11, 07:15 PM to 10:15 PM (180 mins)
F1 Classic Grands Prix
A look back to classic Grands Prix of the past.


Don't say you haven't been warned in advance. I suspect this will be its only airing on Freeview, so record, capture - whatever on Thursday. 1 race will have extended highlights and the other 4 races on 10 minute highlights. It'll loop round twice, so at a guess, Loop 1 will be from 07:15 to 08:45, with Loop 2 on immediately afterwards.

(thanks to davepusey on DS for noting it)
King Six
They've all got a little bit more extreme on their views haven't they...some interesting opinions from them all, Jordan being abit hypocritical tbh.

Agree with the tyre qualifying rule though, just when you read that qualifying is going to be awesome and how it should be, they throw that at you. 11th will be better than 10th, how does that make sense.

Although theoretically they only need to do one flying lap on fumes. So it shouldn't be too hard on the tyres and especially for a team who knows they'll be close to the freshers (guys who got out in Q2, I'll call them freshers) they wouldn't run more than one or two laps.

Unless they feel like they're doing a Force India at Spa where they might gamble for a higher position on the grid.

But I expect the big four (heh, this is like talking about the Premier League now) to push abit more than midtablers in Q3 in order to squeeze that extra grid place seeing as how competitive it all is at the top.
BullHead
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 8 2010, 20:40) *
FREEVIEW READERS - see below:



Don't say you haven't been warned in advance. I suspect this will be its only airing on Freeview, so record, capture - whatever on Thursday. 1 race will have extended highlights and the other 4 races on 10 minute highlights. It'll loop round twice, so at a guess, Loop 1 will be from 07:15 to 08:45, with Loop 2 on immediately afterwards.

(thanks to davepusey on DS for noting it)


Thanks.

And Thankyou to the bbc.
gillymuse
I liked the F1 preview show, very good, I have to say EJ's laugh is very manic.
Alexis*27
QUOTE
Hi Alexis and Don,

Good question! The answer is to do with the broadcast technologies we use...

For practice sessions our coverage on the Red Button is sent back to London via the TV OB unit in the TV compound on site at the races. This means it is mixed for television and as such sounds nice and clear on the red button.

For qualy and the race, the red button feed of our commentary is taken from the on air feed of 5 Live Sports Extra or 5 Live, depending on what station we are broadcasting on. Our commentary of qualy and the race is sent back to London via ISDN rather than the TV OB unit. Because 5 Live is broadcast on medium wave we use a lower compression called .G722, this is standard for all 5 Live outside broadcasts. This in itself would sound just as good as the red button feed albeit it in mono rather than stereo on the TV. The audio is then compressed again as it goes through the 5 Live studio before going to air. This does comprimise the quality again.

Having said all that I am going to try mixing the audio differently and experiment with our compression rates to enhance the track audio, so hopefully it will sound better.

I have seen the messages on this forum regarding the difference between the practice audio and the race audio, so I was aware of it and will try to make it better this year.

Cheers,

Jason


Hi Jason

That's a great post - thanks for the information!

I assume the different system for practice and quali/race is for the contractual reasons you mentioned the other day? And this I suppose is the reason we have to have the Radio 5 audio with sports updates?

Seems an odd system which means more work for you and you get poorer quality audio at the end of it!

But if you are able to adjust the mix, just a smidgeon more engine noise would be much appreciated. I understand it could be an issue for those listening without visuals, but you can hear the difference when swapping between TV and radio commentary.
Psymon
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 8 2010, 16:46) *
The BBC have finally added an 'F1 Videos' link on the left hand bar! At last! They've listened to people who wanted to be able to watch the videos in a coordinated, organised manner. Thank God for the BB- Oh. It comes up with a 404 - page not found roflmao.gif


Once they fix it, i'm sure it'll be great up.gif


I should really read posts fully before acting on them... saw the first sentence, went to have a look, found the 404, came back and read your comment about it blush.gif hehe

Hope they do get it working properly, it is indeed something they've needed for quite some time now!

As for the preview analysis videos, really enjoyed watching them, I especially liked the reaction DC got when he tipped Red Bull for the title roflmao.gif
TheF1PERSON
Indeed. I'm having to use the search function to find any videos I want to watch that aren't embedded in blogs. Though HuwSelby.com is handy. I wish I'd found that site earlier.
Buttoneer
Good red button coverage. Legard wasn't a cock.
Kenaltgr
That is what you get when an Irishman, a Scot and 2 english ex public schoolboys talk in a room.
The July Plot
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Mar 9 2010, 01:26) *
Good red button coverage. Legard wasn't a cock.

It was good, but Legard was a total bellend! The way he was in the preview is the reason they kept him away from the post race forum last year.
chdphd
QUOTE (The July Plot @ Mar 9 2010, 08:49) *
It was good, but Legard was a total bellend! The way he was in the preview is the reason they kept him away from the post race forum last year.

+1
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (The July Plot @ Mar 9 2010, 08:49) *
It was good, but Legard was a total bellend! The way he was in the preview is the reason they kept him away from the post race forum last year.


My favourite-worst-bit-of-Legard was when he made the point about how McLaren "kept the silver colour. Which car is more silver do you think?", intimating that because the Mercedes isn't super-shiny-silver, it's rubbish.. Or. Something. I'm not sure what point he knew he wanted to make.

And he kept interrupting. Just let the 3 people who have been involved in F1 have the say.

QUOTE (D.M.N)
Don't say you haven't been warned in advance. I suspect this will be its only airing on Freeview, so record, capture - whatever on Thursday. 1 race will have extended highlights and the other 4 races on 10 minute highlights. It'll loop round twice, so at a guess, Loop 1 will be from 07:15 to 08:45, with Loop 2 on immediately afterwards.

(thanks to davepusey on DS for noting it)


Thank you! up.gif
Buttoneer
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 9 2010, 09:22) *
My favourite-worst-bit-of-Legard was when he made the point about how McLaren "kept the silver colour. Which car is more silver do you think?", intimating that because the Mercedes isn't super-shiny-silver, it's rubbish.. Or. Something. I'm not sure what point he knew he wanted to make.

It's because MercedesGP had to compromise with their grey, therfore Mclaren is still the real 'silver arrows'

I think some here are just predisposed to dislike Legard. I see considerably less criticism of Eddie here despite his arsehole hypocrisy and palming us off with a 'question for David' which was really a 'statement from Eddie' and getting Jakes name wrong. Legard can at least be excused a little for not being used to the format.
D.M.N.
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 9 2010, 09:22) *
And he kept interrupting. Just let the 3 people who have been involved in F1 have the say.


...and that's why he chooses to stay out of the F1 Forum:

QUOTE
@legardj just wondering why you never made a appearance on the forum, even ant made it to one!
3:26 PM Feb 24th via web

@davedpg Nothing personal, giving floor to those who've been there, driven that or owned that, hence your three wise men
3:40 PM Feb 24th via UberTwitter in reply to davedpg
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (Buttoneer)
It's because MercedesGP had to compromise with their grey, therfore Mclaren is still the real 'silver arrows'


Yes, I gathered that.. Hardly ground breaking journalism though?

QUOTE (Buttoneer)
I think some here are just predisposed to dislike Legard.


Well duh tongue.gif

QUOTE (Buttoneer)
I see considerably less criticism of Eddie here despite his arsehole hypocrisy and palming us off with a 'question for David' which was really a 'statement from Eddie' and getting Jakes name wrong.


Everyone likes a bumbling oaf. EJ is.. annoying. But useful.

QUOTE (Buttoneer)
Legard can at least be excused a little for not being used to the format.


There's a reason for that.

QUOTE (D.M.N.)
...and that's why he chooses to stay out of the F1 Forum:


Well that's fair enough. So someone thought it'd be a bright idea to get him involved and pushed him into it. If that's what's happened then true, I can't really slate the guy for being in a position he doesn't want to be.
Garagiste
So on the basis that we should expect the opposite of whatever EJ says, it's looks like it'll be a fight between JB and MS for the WDC.
Hmmm! wink.gif
dank
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 9 2010, 09:30) *
...and that's why he chooses to stay out of the F1 Forum:


Read: I am hopelessly out of my depth.
Ross Stonefeld
Well he is the commentator after all. He has to be knowledgeable, but he's not an expert. I wouldn't turn to him for analysis, but commentary. It's a specific role and I'm glad he doesn't get ideas above his station. He just needs to use that opportunity to improve his primary role.
Owen
Am I going to have start another 'don't break the Leg' campaign again? cat.gif
Buttoneer
QUOTE (Owen @ Mar 9 2010, 10:24) *
Am I going to have start another 'don't break the Leg' campaign again? cat.gif

Looks like it. I'd rather a campaign to get Unbreakable James Allen back.
D.M.N.
Another dead link on the BBC F1 homepage --> 'BBC F1 team'.
Brian O Flaherty
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Mar 9 2010, 10:26) *
I think some here are just predisposed to dislike Legard. I see considerably less criticism of Eddie here despite his arsehole hypocrisy and palming us off with a 'question for David' which was really a 'statement from Eddie' and getting Jakes name wrong. Legard can at least be excused a little for not being used to the format.

I agree with all of this. I don't understand the strong negativity towards Legard. Sure, he's no Murray Walker - who himself wasn't known for his factual accuracy - but he's OK. Certainly undeserving of the negative column inches he gets in here IMV. His 'Silver Arrows' comment was a bit 'WTF?' but other than that I thought he was quite clear and articulate when asked his views. And I watched him with added interest because of his questionable status in here.
Buttoneer
QUOTE (Brian O Flaherty @ Mar 9 2010, 11:49) *
And I watched him with added interest because of his questionable status in here.

Yeah me too. I can't help but think he looks a lot like Count Olaf from Lemony Snickets series of unfortunate events.

Count Olaf



Jonathan Legard



Edit; found a closer pic
Brian O Flaherty
One and the same.
Snap Matt
Legard is fine. It's a largely superfluous job anyway as all commentators seem to be a step behind where an engaged viewer is in their head anyway. As much as I eventually warmed to James Allen in the last few years at ITV, I can't say I miss his commentary one bit... and certainly not like I would miss his blogging work.
King Six
Yeah I don't see the hate towards Legard. He was abit iffy at the beginning of last season but either he improved or I'm just used to him now.

Regarding the F1 classic, what race are they showing? It might end up on the iPlayer, well hopefully it does.
rhukkas
Due to the unique way the BBC is funded you get to witness your money being wasted while having absolutely no influence on how it's spent!

D.M.N.
QUOTE (King Six @ Mar 9 2010, 13:30) *
Yeah I don't see the hate towards Legard. He was abit iffy at the beginning of last season but either he improved or I'm just used to him now.

Regarding the F1 classic, what race are they showing? It might end up on the iPlayer, well hopefully it does.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/20...and_prix_r.html

QUOTE (rhukkas @ Mar 9 2010, 13:34) *
Due to the unique way the BBC is funded you get to witness your money being wasted while having absolutely no influence on how it's spent!

rolleyes.gif
The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (King Six @ Mar 9 2010, 13:30) *
Yeah I don't see the hate towards Legard. He was abit iffy at the beginning of last season but either he improved or I'm just used to him now.

Regarding the F1 classic, what race are they showing? It might end up on the iPlayer, well hopefully it does.



Legard is a pr1ck and I'm being extremely kind IMO. He is awful as a commentator and has dragged Martin Brundle down to his level. Martin Brundle only comes alive on the F1 forum, via the Red Button, where his expertise and knowledge shines through. As a co-commentator beside Legard, Brundles commentating style is crushed by Legards terrible timing and his inability to bring Brundle into the conversation. Instead you are left with cliché's like "He's in the pound seat". James Allen was a better commentator by far and him and Brundle were superb as a team. Thank god for David Croft on the blue button. up.gif
craftverk
^^

exactly, one has to only observe how far Brundle's commentary has fallen to realize how bad an F1 commentator Legard is
Ross Stonefeld
Is Martin Brundle not an adult anymore or something?
Don_Humpador
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Mar 9 2010, 13:40) *
Legard is a pr1ck and I'm being extremely kind IMO. He is awful as a commentator and has dragged Martin Brundle down to his level. Martin Brundle only comes alive on the F1 forum, via the Red Button, where his expertise and knowledge shines through. As a co-commentator beside Legard, Brundles commentating style is crushed by Legards terrible timing and his inability to bring Brundle into the conversation. Instead you are left with cliché's like "He's in the pound seat". James Allen was a better commentator by far and him and Brundle were superb as a team. Thank god for David Croft on the blue button. up.gif


Blue button?

THERE'S A MAGIC BLUE BUTTON!?!? lol.gif

Hmm I wouldn't call him a prick but I'd agree his timing is bad, the way he speaks is bad, and yes, he sucks the soul out of Martin Brundle.

He also gets excited about the wrong things.

What's this? Someone overtaking? "Oop, hello."
Kobayashi and Button racing wheel to wheel? "Now then Mr. Kobayashi, don't crash into.. Oof."
A big pileup involving 4 cars including the current WDC and the championship leader? "There's a problem there.. There's a problem there!"

Numerous other things I could go into but won't seeing as we're on the eve of a new season, which we should all look forward to. On the whole, the BBC's coverage is brilliant and well worth my license fee on it's own. Well, almost.
pRy
Anyone know what the music is at the start of the 09 review?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nx...lorious_Season/

After the chain I mean.
The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Mar 9 2010, 13:52) *
Is Martin Brundle not an adult anymore or something?


I see it more like football. Sometimes you stick 2 great strikers in a team and the combination just does not work. Its got nothing to do with being a adult, or a lack of adaptability. Sometimes certain combinations just do not work. Legard and Brundle is one such example. I castigated them on their 1st performance and gave them until mid-season to gel together. If anything it got progressively worse. I never understood the logic when there was such a clamour for James Allen not to get the BBC job. It now appears many of these same people regret their hast and view Legard replacing Allen as "better the devil you know" Brundle is less than half the commentator he was when paired with Allen and this is a real shame.
rhukkas
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 9 2010, 14:21) *
Numerous other things I could go into but won't seeing as we're on the eve of a new season, which we should all look forward to. On the whole, the BBC's coverage is brilliant and well worth my license fee on it's own. Well, almost.


Well worth your licence fee alone? Well for the grand sum of £0 I think ITV provided far better value. Without having to spend £150 on a licence fee I could emerse myself in accessing even more F1 material thorugh Autosport and other mediums. But I guess Big Brother Corporation knows how to spend my money better eh?
undersquare
Some people find Legard OK, I don't understand how personally. He's stiff and pretentious, his speech is full of cliches, padding and repetition, and he never says anything that isn't obvious. Add the phoney emphasis he uses trying to make his empty verbiage sound important, and you have Brundle's Bane.

And ours cry.gif .

Thank God for Ant and Crofty.
Buttoneer
QUOTE (rhukkas @ Mar 9 2010, 14:28) *
Well worth your licence fee alone? Well for the grand sum of £0 I think ITV provided far better value. Without having to spend £150 on a licence fee I could emerse myself in accessing even more F1 material thorugh Autosport and other mediums. But I guess Big Brother Corporation knows how to spend my money better eh?

ITV gave you no Friday practice, adverts all the way through, including (on one occasion) within the last three laps of the end of a race, and they cut the program short for a soap. The BBC at least gives you the decent post-race forum, classic race clips, and a decent front man too.

Now this might not tip the value-balance far enough for your own tastes and it's of course your right to think that, but the quality of the BBC coverage far exceeds the ITV coverage.
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