Don_Humpador
Feb 27 2010, 17:30
QUOTE (MrAerodynamicist @ Feb 26 2010, 22:40)

To us, but then we're not impartial. F1 certain doesn't consistent 10 percent of their sports coverage.
On a biased level, it's irrelevant whether or not it actually consists of 10% of the sporting coverage, when you consider it's the
entire season of one particular sport. It's the full season, from start to finish. The BBC don't do that with any other sport (their Moto GP coverage is sketchy), right? So 10% of your budget for an entire sporting season seems pretty reasonable.
And I make it out to be around 126 hours of coverage each season. If you wanna do the rest..
TheF1PERSON
Feb 27 2010, 20:32
If anyone has a BBC account could you ask them if they are doing the Classic Grand Prix series this year?
stevvy1986
Feb 27 2010, 21:08
Good question, I'm sure during the season they said it'd be back this year, and obviously there's just under 2 weeks to go, so would be nice to know. Hope it is, I really enjoyed it.
Not sure they will. I understood it was a sort of "We're back!" feature.
TheF1PERSON
Feb 27 2010, 21:27
Andrew Benson assured that the feature would be back on the eve of the 2010 season.
Though this was a while ago and the BBC may have decided to direct resources elswhere.
The only time we'll find out if the feature is back is if there is a blog from Benson on 3rd March. Or they might decide to bypass the Bahrain Grand Prix Classic Edition and launch it for Australia.
D.M.N.
Feb 27 2010, 21:30
QUOTE (pRy @ Feb 27 2010, 21:22)

Not sure they will. I understood it was a sort of "We're back!" feature.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Feb 27 2010, 21:27)

Andrew Benson assured that the feature would be back on the eve of the 2010 season.
Though this was a while ago and the BBC may have decided to direct resources elswhere.
The only time we'll find out if the feature is back is if there is a blog from Benson on 3rd March. Or they might decide to bypass the Bahrain Grand Prix Classic Edition and launch it for Australia.
Correct:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/20...son_finale.html"We are delighted you like it so much - yes, even those of you who have taken us to task for the way we have operated it! - and we give you our guarantee that it will be back on the eve of the 2010 season."
I wouldn't be surprised though if Bahrain is bypassed - unless they do a "Classic Season Openers" or "Classic Schumacher Races" for instance.
By the way, F1 Mole
is, unsurprisingly, no more.
KateLM
Feb 27 2010, 21:54
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 27 2010, 21:30)

Correct:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/20...son_finale.html"We are delighted you like it so much - yes, even those of you who have taken us to task for the way we have operated it! - and we give you our guarantee that it will be back on the eve of the 2010 season."
I wouldn't be surprised though if Bahrain is bypassed - unless they do a "Classic Season Openers" or "Classic Schumacher Races" for instance.
By the way, F1 Mole is, unsurprisingly, no more.Just as well, they never really seemed sure what to do with it, sometimes it was just gossip, sometimes fuel weights, other times it was guest pieces from members of the team who didn't have their own blogs. Too messy by the end of the season.
I'm glad to see that Classic F1 is (hopefully) coming back, it was great for me to get to see some older races from before I was born and expand my knowledge of the sport. Did they do classic Bahrain races last year? I wouldn't be surprised if it is "Classic Season Openers", though obviously not too many recent races as they need to leave some for Australia.
TheF1PERSON
Feb 27 2010, 22:01
I'd scan the comments page of Benson's latest blog for Classic Grand Prix details, but there are just too many comments to look through
The last comment on this blog is:
Hi Andrew,
Will BBC Classic F1 be returning soon for Australia?
D.M.N.
Feb 28 2010, 14:31
D.M.N.
Feb 28 2010, 19:36
Going to copy this very interesting comment made by tomhourigan on Digital Spy:
QUOTE
Interesting comment from Eddie Jordan, who's the subject of a one-hour interview on 'Jazz In The City' on Jazz FM tonight (mainly talking about his business interests) - he asked to leave the BBC team halfway through last season.
Hmm... yet he's been retained for this season?

I'd speculate this may be round Hungary time where he made a stupid on-air comment about Massa - anyone remember?
KateLM
Feb 28 2010, 20:12
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 28 2010, 19:36)

Going to copy this very interesting comment made by tomhourigan on Digital Spy:
Hmm... yet he's been retained for this season?

I'd speculate this may be round Hungary time where he made a stupid on-air comment about Massa - anyone remember?
That was just over half way into the season so thats certainly plausible - plus there was the one month break afterwards for him to change his mind again. I can't think of any other reason he would want to leave, by that point he was gelling much better with the rest of the team than at the beginning.
EDIT: I see tomhourigan has replied again with this (I'm on DS too):
QUOTE
He didn't say - but added after a lengthy chat with the director, who told him he needed to 'loosen up', he started to enjoy himself more.
Sounded like he wasn't getting enough out of it on a personal level rather than being over any one specific incident.
That sort of makes sense - he worked much better when he was a bit less argumentative and started dragging unwilling people to the cameras for interviews! It felt like it took a while for him to settle in, but by the end of the season I think a lot of people (me included) had come around about him as a pundit.
D.M.N.
Feb 28 2010, 20:15
QUOTE (KateLM @ Feb 28 2010, 20:12)

That was just over half way into the season so thats certainly plausible - plus there was the one month break afterwards for him to change his mind again. I can't think of any other reason he would want to leave, by that point he was gelling much better with the rest of the team than at the beginning.
I wonder if there is an exact quote of what he said anywhere? Has it even aired yet (I'm a DS member too but don't keep track of the F1 threads very well)?
Oh yeah, I think the guy on DS said he was listening to it. Also, to add onto the above comment:
QUOTE
He didn't say [a specific race] - but added after a lengthy chat with the director, who told him he needed to 'loosen up', he started to enjoy himself more.
Sounded like he wasn't getting enough out of it on a personal level rather than being over any one specific incident.
On a different note, Eddie also made the point he thought the DC/EJ combination worked more successfully than Blunders because, effectively, they knew the sport better - and that the BBC's Broadcast Award win for the Monaco GP last year had come as a 'surprise'.
Twenty minute or so interview (!) with Lee McKenzie:
http://www.f1badger.com/2010/03/lee-mckenzie-2010Haven't listened to it admittedly.
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Feb 26 2010, 18:43)

The BBC news is just going on the same tip off, hence their headline saying: 'report claims'.
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that there's nothing official as of yet.
It's true - breaking on all news wires, from the BBC itself:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8544150.stmEDIT:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/n...-cuts-plan.html
wewantourdarbyback
Mar 2 2010, 12:31
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 2 2010, 10:15)

It's true -
Never said it wasn't just that it was an early leak.
This might be a bit harsh, but in a purely selfish way I hope they cut the shit out of the BBC. My train goes to Shepherds Bush and I can barely fit on it in the morning. Trimming the beeb down to size will make my morning commute that much more tolerable.
Youichi
Mar 2 2010, 14:57
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Feb 24 2010, 17:20)

The provisionals say that there will be a repeat, though the confirmed schedules won't be out for another hour or two.
The repeat of last seasons review will be at 13.00 this Saturday the 6th of March, on BBC One.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nxc1c
BullHead
Mar 2 2010, 18:08
Just when the bbc start to look like a wide ranged, cater for all, people's service, that, yes for last years F1 coverage, I was happy to pay my licence fee for; they go and do this. F1 2009 coverage was superb, best in broadcasting history. Watch it get even worse than ITV was becoming..... in fact, watch it go to Sky, or even off air altogether.... come 2014.
Clatter
Mar 2 2010, 18:11
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:08)

Just when the bbc start to look like a wide ranged, cater for all, people's service, that, yes for last years F1 coverage, I was happy to pay my licence fee for; they go and do this. F1 2008 coverage was superb, best in broadcasting history. Watch it get even worse than ITV was becoming..... in fact, watch it go to Sky, or even off air altogether.... come 2014.

What the hell are you on about?

It's all very well having a rant, but wouldn't it better to see how it affects F1 first before complaining?
By the way, F1 was on ITV in 2008.
BullHead
Mar 2 2010, 18:13
QUOTE (Clatter @ Mar 2 2010, 18:11)

What the hell are you on about?
F1 was on ITV in 2008.

edited. You know what I meant.... These cuts and caps are just the start....
Clatter
Mar 2 2010, 18:16
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:13)


edited. You know what I meant.... These cuts and caps are just the start....
Lets wait until they actually announce something.
The Ragged Edge
Mar 2 2010, 18:17
When is the BBC F1, 2010 season preview?
wewantourdarbyback
Mar 2 2010, 18:18
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:13)


edited. You know what I meant.... These cuts and caps are just the start....
..of changes that should see more money go into less programmes.
I was going to say. It's not like they are going to start giving some of our licence fee back.
The savings in theory will go into making better programming.
In practice it'll probably get soaked up by upper and upper middle management.
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:08)

Just when the bbc start to look like a wide ranged, cater for all, people's service, that, yes for last years F1 coverage, I was happy to pay my licence fee for; they go and do this. F1 2009 coverage was superb, best in broadcasting history. Watch it get even worse than ITV was becoming..... in fact, watch it go to Sky, or even off air altogether.... come 2014.

There probably won't be much effect. I can't see BBC pulling the contract early. And Bernie definitely wouldn't take it from them.
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Mar 2 2010, 18:17)

When is the BBC F1, 2010 season preview?
There isn't one.
BullHead
Mar 2 2010, 19:01
Pulling the contract maybe not, but the other cutbacks - red button stuff limited, no preview this year, they'll be dropping practise broadcast next..., and then they won't renew the contract cos some deem it too expensive and unworthy.... (actually just ranting cos of 6music, but hey

it's all symptomatic of the way it's going..)
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 19:01)

Pulling the contract maybe not, but the other cutbacks - red button stuff limited, no preview this year, they'll be dropping practise broadcast next..., and then they won't renew the contract cos some deem it too expensive and unworthy.... (actually just ranting cos of 6music, but hey

it's all symptomatic of the way it's going..)
There wasn't a preview last year either.
Clatter
Mar 2 2010, 19:06
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 19:01)

Pulling the contract maybe not, but the other cutbacks - red button stuff limited, no preview this year, they'll be dropping practise broadcast next..., and then they won't renew the contract cos some deem it too expensive and unworthy.... (actually just ranting cos of 6music, but hey

it's all symptomatic of the way it's going..)
It sounds like you want it to happen just to prove you right. So far AFAIK there hasn't been any announcement that F1 will be affected. Until there is then why get your knickers in a twist?
Ross Stonefeld
Mar 2 2010, 19:09
I think they'll keep it, it's one of their headline sports events and it's covers about half a year rather than other events which are one offs or limited schedules.
BullHead
Mar 2 2010, 19:11
Ok Ok. I'm just a bit worried. And excited -

10 ish days to go. What time will the Bahrain practise be on (our time)?
stevvy1986
Mar 2 2010, 19:13
7-8.30am, and 11am-12.30pm
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:08)

Just when the bbc start to look like a wide ranged, cater for all, people's service, that, yes for last years F1 coverage, I was happy to pay my licence fee for; they go and do this. F1 2009 coverage was superb, best in broadcasting history. Watch it get even worse than ITV was becoming..... in fact, watch it go to Sky, or even off air altogether.... come 2014.

I'd hope F1 would never ever go to Sky. Or any other stupid service like them. Bernie Ecclestone would be making a huge mistake if that happened. One of the reasons that F1 ratings have always been so good compared to other countries is that it's easily accessable. By that I mean it's always been on one of the mainstream channels (ITV and now BBC) that you don't have to pay any additional cost for unlike the likes of Sky. If that changed, then there would be a significant fall in viewers. I'm personally not stumping up the cost for something that should be a pleasure rather than a hassle. Besides, knowing the half-wits at Sky they've probably show some rubbish third-league Asian football match instead of Formula One when it was on.
But let's see what happens. I doubt BBC would suddenly dump F1. I find it natural really that BBC is starting to cut costs. In the recent times, every major buisness or corporation has had to go through similar steps. Why should BBC be any different?
Colinmcc
Mar 2 2010, 19:57
Public funded companies have made huge cut backs so the BBC should hardly have immunity from this, I think possibly though the BBC will significantly review it's involvement in sports broadcasting but I doubt watered down F1 or any other sport they cover in the broad sense will be heavily impacted, in a way I see this as a positive, cut the crap and as there top dog said it's quality not quantity in terms of service deliverence
808Fail
Mar 3 2010, 10:22
QUOTE (kar @ Mar 2 2010, 12:39)

This might be a bit harsh, but in a purely selfish way I hope they cut the shit out of the BBC. My train goes to Shepherds Bush and I can barely fit on it in the morning. Trimming the beeb down to size will make my morning commute that much more tolerable.
They are all moving to Manchester so thats all sorted for you
808Fail
Mar 3 2010, 10:24
QUOTE (Jamesy @ Mar 2 2010, 19:20)

But let's see what happens. I doubt BBC would suddenly dump F1. I find it natural really that BBC is starting to cut costs. In the recent times, every major buisness or corporation has had to go through similar steps. Why should BBC be any different?
Business often do this by streamlining managment, rather than just closing down bits the daily mail doesn't like
Don_Humpador
Mar 3 2010, 10:29
QUOTE (BullHead @ Mar 2 2010, 18:08)

Just when the bbc start to look like a wide ranged, cater for all, people's service, that, yes for last years F1 coverage, I was happy to pay my licence fee for; they go and do this. F1 2009 coverage was superb, best in broadcasting history. Watch it get even worse than ITV was becoming..... in fact, watch it go to Sky, or even off air altogether.... come 2014.

They lost their "cater for all" tag when cut 302 off Freeview.
Anyway, DMN, did you say the coverage details would be finalised today? This should give us a look at whether us cheap, unimportant people are going to get a half decent service this year
http://twitpic.com/16d0bq"You're late"
"Someone told us the meeting was in another building!"
From Jake's twitter:
QUOTE
http://twitpic.com/16e0n5 - 5 of us just filmed something special...online next week at www.bbc.co.uk/f1...excited??
Looks like some sort of preview show from the BBC Sport studio...should be good!
TheF1PERSON
Mar 3 2010, 15:22
It doesn't look like the Classic Grand Prix series is returning, at least not at the moment. Wonder if the website cuts have anything to do with this.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Mar 3 2010, 15:22)

It doesn't look like the Classic Grand Prix series is returning, at least not at the moment. Wonder if the website cuts have anything to do with this.
Will e-mail Andrew Benson re. Classic GPs.
EDIT:
jakehumphreyf1
Just to say...we're on the road just like '09, studio pic was just for website preview pieces we've done...go on www.bbc.co.uk/f1 on Monday!
4 minutes ago via Echofon
Don_Humpador
Mar 3 2010, 17:47
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 3 2010, 16:04)

jakehumphreyf1
Just to say...we're on the road just like '09, studio pic was just for website preview pieces we've done...go on www.bbc.co.uk/f1 on Monday!
4 minutes ago via Echofon
Sounds similar to those "season preview" videos they did for the red button last year (it was just DC, MB and EJ last year though).
Not really sure what insight Jake and Legard can offer though.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Mar 3 2010, 15:22)

It doesn't look like the Classic Grand Prix series is returning, at least not at the moment. Wonder if the website cuts have anything to do with this.
Said a few weeks ago it wouldn't suprise me if that was just a "We're back!" feature to celebrate BBC covering the F1 again.
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 3 2010, 17:47)

Sounds similar to those "season preview" videos they did for the red button last year (it was just DC, MB and EJ last year though).
Not really sure what insight Jake and Legard can offer though.
It seems like an actual discussion between them rather than each of the 3 taking it in turns to give there thoughts (presuming that
this is the 2009 video that you are on about).
BBC have confirmed schedules for Bahrain - the race programme is on from 11:10 to 14:15, so it seems like BBC is taking into account the fact that there is no refuelling which will slow races down - by how much at the moment isn't really known I guess.
Dalton007
Mar 4 2010, 08:44
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Mar 3 2010, 15:22)

It doesn't look like the Classic Grand Prix series is returning, at least not at the moment. Wonder if the website cuts have anything to do with this.
I doubt the cutting process has even begun. The classic GP feature has been a major success so I don't think it should go.
Don_Humpador
Mar 4 2010, 09:06
QUOTE (D.M.N. @ Mar 3 2010, 18:44)

It seems like an actual discussion between them rather than each of the 3 taking it in turns to give there thoughts (presuming that
this is the 2009 video that you are on about).
Yup that's the one, at least it doesn't look like they've filmed it in the back of Top Gears "mobile production facility".
accordi8ng to Jakes twitter no preview show but loads of videos going online from monday
Don_Humpador
Mar 4 2010, 15:35
Snap Matt
Mar 4 2010, 15:52
How quickly will Brundle trot out the phrase "drag squares with speed" when he starts talking about the McLaren rear wing?
stevvy1986
Mar 4 2010, 16:25
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ Mar 4 2010, 15:35)

Well, he made it clear last year that it would be, and I'm delighted that it is!
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