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Bruce
Hamilton had an accident? Who cares. Sounds like he did the right thing, sounds like it was an honest mistake and anyone who hasn't made a couple of those should stand up and tell us about their wonderful life of perfection. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but c'mon - give him a break. It's no wonder these guys are so tight lipped in interviews.... geez - anything they do is fodder for the tabloids.... (and I don't much care who covered this) - this is not valid news - this is personality based tabloid journalism.

(north korea threatens that "sanctions" shall be viewed as an act of war and LEWIS HAMILTON PULLS OUT IN FRONT OF ANOTHER CAR!!!!! )

Give me a break.
Craven Morehead
From what I read there, Lewis had an accident, yes; but was absolutely first class in dealing with the situation. Props to him. up.gif
Evenstar
Hello all! If you have 5-8 mins to spare, please fill in this survey on Lewis Hamilton as it's part of a study I'm doing. It has 10 questions, mainly multiple choice answers. I'd really appreciate your responses.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=yiRF...f2ixPHZ0g_3d_3d

Thank you very much! smile.gif

p.s Basically, for example, the question which way did you find out or hear about Hamilton, would mainly apply to new fans of the sport. So this survey isn't only posted in F1/Lewis forums.

It feels kinda silly doing these surveys because I'm sure some of questions sound a bit daft to people who already watch F1 and know Lewis lol but like I said, there's no harm getting as many answers as possible.

Questions aren't that great, it is my first 'serious' survey lol but I'll probably do another one too so any suggestions are also welcome.
Lazy Prodigy
Originally posted by Evenstar
Hello all! If you have 5-8 mins to spare, please fill in this survey on Lewis Hamilton as it's part of a study I'm doing. It has 10 questions, mainly multiple choice answers. I'd really appreciate your responses.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=yiRF...f2ixPHZ0g_3d_3d

Thank you very much! smile.gif

p.s Basically, for example, the question which way did you find out or hear about Hamilton, would mainly apply to new fans of the sport. So this survey isn't only posted in F1/Lewis forums.

It feels kinda silly doing these surveys because I'm sure some of questions sound a bit daft to people who already watch F1 and know Lewis lol but like I said, there's no harm getting as many answers as possible.

Questions aren't that great, it is my first 'serious' survey lol but I'll probably do another one too so any suggestions are also welcome.
your welcome smile.gif
potmotr
Originally posted by jesee

It seems this guy cannot even be human and have an accident mad.gif It seems a non-story but the headline...


It isn't the biggest story in the world but is certainly worth reporting.
jesee
Originally posted by primer
Congratulations to Hamiltoon.

Pedro never really had a chance for next season's drive, despite fervent desire of certain people. With JPM's departure, he was given a golden opportunity to show his abilities along-side Kimi Raikkonnen and he didn't impress. No point in sticking with a known underperformer; better to try your luck with some fresh blood, seems to be Ron Dennis' line of thinking, and no one can disagree with that.

Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.

Next season the Mclaren is unlikely to be a race winning machine, this is my personal theory based on the fact that they'll be new to Bridgestone tires. If they are good I'll be genuinely surprised and happy for them. This is a good platform for LH to establish himself. If he really is any good, Lewis just has to be close to Fernando's pace all season, and beat him a few times.

Easier said than done. I can easily see FA outperforming LH in every single qualifying session, and destroying LH's career in very first season. When that happens, I hope his supporters do not play the rookie card. Let us see, intersting times ahead.



Jeez, sometimes is good to refresh memories and see the past. Very funny reading it now lol.gif
mursuka80
Originally posted by jesee



Jeez, sometimes is good to refresh memories and see the past. Very funny reading it now lol.gif


Why are you trying to start a war between LH and FA fans? Thats all your post does rolleyes.gif
jesee
Originally posted by Devero
Can anybody remind me a complete debutant in f1 history alongside reigning double world champion, still very young, may be even not at the peak of his powers and potentially one of the greatests in history and in a top-3 team?
That is the point for Hamilton. Not to lose a lot next year, which would be ok, but what about 2008 and 2009 if Lewis stays at Mclaren? Alonso will be 28 y/o in 3 years and he will progress further from now as a driver which is clear after 2004-2005-2006.
So Lewis will be losing to Alonso a lot not just next year but all three years long. Hamilton looks like a great talent but it takes at least 3 years to start shining brightly and for the purpose Hamilton should have debuted in any other team but not at Mclaren with Alonso.


Another one posted 28-Nov-06 20:56:rotfl: roflmao.gif
Buttoneer
Lewis Hamilton's newest marketing venture

So, better than hanging from wires or cooking Spanish Omelettes?

Edit: I had to go back five pages to find and thread with 'Lewis' in the title. It's amazing how people ignore him now he isn't the threat.
Owen
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 12 2009, 10:46) *
Lewis Hamilton's newest marketing venture

So, better than hanging from wires or cooking Spanish Omelettes?

Edit: I had to go back five pages to find and thread with 'Lewis' in the title. It's amazing how people ignore him now he isn't the threat.


Pretty cool. You're spot on though, now he's not winning, he's not winding up the haters. Interesting comment from Brundle on the F1 forum (red button thingy). He said Lewis is a thoroughly nice chap and very different outside of a 'press' interview when there is pressure to tow the corporate line.
as65p
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 11:51) *
Pretty cool. You're spot on though, now he's not winning, he's not winding up the haters. Interesting comment from Brundle on the F1 forum (red button thingy). He said Lewis is a thoroughly nice chap and very different outside of a 'press' interview when there is pressure to tow the corporate line.


To be fair, I find that very plausible. He generally seems to have excellent relationships to those around him and that must come from somewhere - it certainly can't be his public appearances... tongue.gif

Unfortunately the latter is all we get to see. Hopefully he'll thrive in the new all-sing-and-dance McLaren environment and become less corporate and more genuine with time.

Right now he seems pissed alright about McLarens bad form which is a good first step...wink.gif

undersquare
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 10:51) *
Pretty cool. You're spot on though, now he's not winning, he's not winding up the haters. Interesting comment from Brundle on the F1 forum (red button thingy). He said Lewis is a thoroughly nice chap and very different outside of a 'press' interview when there is pressure to tow the corporate line.


Yes I remember the producer of Top Gear saying how Lewis was more aware of other people that other F1 drivers they'd had on the show. You could tell he liked him. It's a shame that being overtly competitive isn't pc so he has to hide it.

I like to think also there is even more respect for his driving this year, everyone who was saying he'd only ever had a top car, people a bit jealous for their own driver perhaps and also not sure how he would do in a bad one, well now they know. Not only does he drive that dog of a car flat out for every single lap of every race, he has terrific judgment too. What the other teams in the mid/back of the grid would give for his ability to see what's happening and do the right thing.

Turn 2 in Barca a fine example, Lewis sees Jarno's dust cloud and slows while the others around him accelerate headlong into the inevitable pileup, Lewis then cruises through the wreckage...

Same in Oz. What Franz Tost would give for that lol.gif .
Owen
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 12 2009, 11:44) *
Yes I remember the producer of Top Gear saying how Lewis was more aware of other people that other F1 drivers they'd had on the show. You could tell he liked him. It's a shame that being overtly competitive isn't pc so he has to hide it.

I like to think also there is even more respect for his driving this year, everyone who was saying he'd only ever had a top car, people a bit jealous for their own driver perhaps and also not sure how he would do in a bad one, well now they know. Not only does he drive that dog of a car flat out for every single lap of every race, he has terrific judgment too. What the other teams in the mid/back of the grid would give for his ability to see what's happening and do the right thing.

Turn 2 in Barca a fine example, Lewis sees Jarno's dust cloud and slows while the others around him accelerate headlong into the inevitable pileup, Lewis then cruises through the wreckage...

Same in Oz. What Franz Tost would give for that lol.gif .


Good point. His driving this year has been very impressive given the circumstances, where he could allow his head to drop. I think the lack of 'pressure' this year has also helped though. It was always under pressure when the little errors came in. But to see just how good he is, compare with Heikki.
RoutariEnjinu
I'm not so sure of the pressure thing. I think it's misinterpreted by forgetting the guy was a rookie. I think if pressure has anything to do with it, it's the pressure he puts on himself, rather than external expectations and criticism that is built up, because China 08 was world class, after a mountain of external pressure.
vsubravet
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 16:23) *
Good point. His driving this year has been very impressive given the circumstances, where he could allow his head to drop. I think the lack of 'pressure' this year has also helped though. It was always under pressure when the little errors came in. But to see just how good he is, compare with Heikki.


To be fair to HK, there were car related problems most of the time. That said, he is not the benchmark for LH. Let's see if Lewis can get a podium step at Monaco; that would be an act of greatness.
Owen
QUOTE (vsubravet @ May 12 2009, 11:59) *
To be fair to HK, there were car related problems most of the time. That said, he is not the benchmark for LH. Let's see if Lewis can get a podium step at Monaco; that would be an act of greatness.


Well if there was any driver that should go well at Monaco, it's Lewis. But how far down the grid will he start this year?
hunnylander
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 13:03) *
Well if there was any driver that should go well at Monaco, it's Lewis. But how far down the grid will he start this year?


I guess, he will start from Top6-8, with a heavy fuel strategy or even from the first row with a low fuel strategy. I expect at least one title contender to crash. tongue.gif
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 12 2009, 13:44) *
Turn 2 in Barca a fine example, Lewis sees Jarno's dust cloud and slows while the others around him accelerate headlong into the inevitable pileup, Lewis then cruises through the wreckage...

Same in Oz. What Franz Tost would give for that lol.gif .


Lewis only avoided the crash because he had a lousy start. With a decent start he would have been ahead of the crash or in it.

Then he was 9th only because 6 cars retired in front of him and 2 others had an extra pit stop. It was a usual McLaren heavy fuel Heikki style crap race from him. Lucky to be 9th when he should have been about 15th.

wewantourdarbyback
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 12:35) *
Lewis only avoided the crash because he had a lousy start. With a decent start he would have been ahead of the crash or in it.


Popping up faster than those in front but having to take avoiding action while Piquet tries to ram you into the wall is a bad start? confused.gif
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ May 12 2009, 14:42) *
Popping up faster than those in front but having to take avoiding action while Piquet tries to ram you into the wall is a bad start? confused.gif


There are always excuses. The fact is he was 19th in the first corner.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 12:49) *
There are always excuses. The fact is he was 19th in the first corner.

roflmao.gif

I'll remember that next time Heikki does badly and it ets blamed on McLaren sabotaging him
Buttoneer
Of course 'reasons' to a fanboy are always 'excuses' to a basher. Lewis thread suitably polarised as usual.

I think Lewis did well to avoid the Renault, frankly. No slight on Piquet as he was defending as he should and probably looking forwards rather than backwards. But still, Lewis could easily have been in the middle of the carnage and avoided it. How can this not be a good thing unless you're rooting for him to crash out?
Anomnader
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 12 2009, 12:55) *
Of course 'reasons' to a fanboy are always 'excuses' to a basher. Lewis thread suitably polarised as usual.

I think Lewis did well to avoid the Renault, frankly. No slight on Piquet as he was defending as he should and probably looking forwards rather than backwards. But still, Lewis could easily have been in the middle of the carnage and avoided it. How can this not be a good thing unless you're rooting for him to crash out?


I don't know, if Lewis can get a drive through for just braking late last year to try and take the lead of a gp at the start, then really how some of the drivers on sunday, including piquet got away with it I don't know, I thought piquets swerve at a couple of metres was very bad and I'm surprised there was not a single condemnation of the move webber pulled on Alonso
Owen
QUOTE
Of course 'reasons' to a fanboy are always 'excuses' to a basher. Lewis thread suitably polarised as usual.


Yep, you've restored this thread back to what it was when you dug it out from the archive! Mission accomplished. drunk.gif
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 14:49) *
There are always excuses. The fact is he was 19th in the first corner.


Heikki gets this a lot when he is rammed in the start with his 90 kg fuel load. It was nice to see Lewis can't do any better in the same situation. Lapped 15th usually gets Heikki crusified, but with Lewis it's the best that could be achieved...

Pity they didn't bother to build a working car for Heikki. Again.

Has Lewis EVER had technical problems BTW? Other than destroying his tyres all the time.
undersquare
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 12:49) *
There are always excuses. The fact is he was 19th in the first corner.


Trying for stupid post of the week? tongue.gif

He was pushed onto the grass by a Formula Ford weave from PK (which deserved a penalty IMO, it was a real weave not a single change of line) kept it together, showed great awareness and judgment to avoid the T2 carnage, then drove his way up to 9th by keeping his heavy car up with the field of 2-stoppers. The fact that he was 19th at T1 shows what a great drive it was.
airwise
I'd just like to add that Lewis is "pushing like crazy".

Indeed the whole team are "pushing like crazy"

But Lewis is REALLY "pushing like crazy" - all the time.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 12 2009, 15:08) *
then drove his way up to 9th by keeping his heavy car up with the field of 2-stoppers. The fact that he was 19th at T1 shows what a great drive it was.


Drove his way up to 9th because 8 cars disappeared in front of him. What a great drive!

You know, Heikki was the driver with most overtakes last year. Still I don't remember many people praising his great drives.
Madras
It was Hamilton's most disappointing race of the season, but the car was to blame. The Mclaren's aero is very poor indeed, they have a significant problem there.
airwise
Pikku,

there were three or four guys behind Hamilton in quicker cars at the end. Last year Kovalainen had the quickest car in the field (or at least one of them). He shouldn't have needed to overtake anyone.
as65p
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 14:24) *
Drove his way up to 9th because 8 cars disappeared in front of him. What a great drive!

You know, Heikki was the driver with most overtakes last year. Still I don't remember many people praising his great drives.


You have to understand that everything Hamilton does is great by definition. Even if he drops to last, he does it in great style, while others just drop.

Face it!

smoking.gif
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (as65p @ May 12 2009, 15:32) *
You have to understand that everything Hamilton does is great by definition. Even if he drops to last, he does it in great style, while others just drop.

Face it!

smoking.gif


I know! tongue.gif
Buttoneer
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 13:00) *
Yep, you've restored this thread back to what it was when you dug it out from the archive! Mission accomplished. drunk.gif

Atlas doesn't feel right without a Lewis thread on page 1.
Madras
Heikki probably overtook the most last season because he was in a fast car but kept putting in in the midfield. you're going to overtake less at the sharp end.
Owen
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ May 12 2009, 13:43) *
Atlas doesn't feel right without a Lewis thread on page 1.


up.gif He does tend to polarise opinion. Good that we're back on track now, full scale fan kerfuffle in progress. cat.gif
Pegaso
As always Lewis was the driver of the race, unbelievable performance.
undersquare
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 13:24) *
Drove his way up to 9th because 8 cars disappeared in front of him. What a great drive!


Source?

QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 13:24) *
You know, Heikki was the driver with most overtakes last year. Still I don't remember many people praising his great drives.


Only 6 drivers dnf'd. 5 drivers finished behind him. So where do the 8 disappearing drivers come from?

Slagging off Hamilton isn't going to make Kovy look any better. Why not start a Kovy thread and point out his achievements, preferably with links to your claims and numbers that add up wink.gif
Atreiu
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 12 2009, 09:52) *
As always Lewis was the driver of the race, unbelievable performance.



He has finished ahead of where he started every race so far this season. up.gif
Pegaso
QUOTE (Atreiu @ May 12 2009, 15:00) *
He has finished ahead of where he started every race so far this season. up.gif


Too bad he seems unable to help in the development of the car, he should be already fighting for winning races.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 12 2009, 15:52) *
As always Lewis was the driver of the race, unbelievable performance.


roflmao.gif roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Obi Offiah
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 12 2009, 13:52) *
As always Lewis was the driver of the race, unbelievable performance.


I personally don't believe in the 'Driver of the Race' accolade. It's usually too difficult to make comparisons to others in different cars. I recall Alonso commenting on the difference between some of his Minardi? and Renault drives. He basically said he could drive at 100% in the Minardi extracting everything that was possible out of the car and pretty much no one outside the team would notice. He continued to say that he could drive at 85% in the Renault, win by a country mile and people would proclaim how magnificent etc he was.

Obi
mikejaeger
Take it easy guys, the monaco race is less than two weeks away, the poor bloke won't be able to sit in the car with anymore bum kissing.
That would be another excuse, to blame everything else apart from the driver.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (undersquare @ May 12 2009, 15:56) *
Source?

Only 6 drivers dnf'd. 5 drivers finished behind him. So where do the 8 disappearing drivers come from?



Source? Watch the race.

6 cars retired in front of him (Sutil, Bourdais, Buemi, Trulli, Kovalainen, Räikkönen)

2 cars had to pit during the safety car in front of him (Fisichella, Nakajima)

Atreiu
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 12 2009, 10:10) *
Too bad he seems unable to help in the development of the car, he should be already fighting for winning races.


Yeah right. What the hell has he done with his engineering degree except showing it off???
Rinehart
QUOTE (Owen @ May 12 2009, 10:51) *
Pretty cool. You're spot on though, now he's not winning, he's not winding up the haters. Interesting comment from Brundle on the F1 forum (red button thingy). He said Lewis is a thoroughly nice chap and very different outside of a 'press' interview when there is pressure to tow the corporate line.



Owen, you win the 'Captain Obvious' title for that wonderful piece of deduction!

It was MS then Alonso then Lewis. Nobody ever hates the loosers partly because they're not a threat and partly because they simply aren't under the microscope like the winners.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Rinehart @ May 12 2009, 16:34) *
Owen, you win the 'Captain Obvious' title for that wonderful piece of deduction!

It was MS then Alonso then Lewis. Nobody ever hates the loosers partly because they're not a threat and partly because they simply aren't under the microscope like the winners.


Hmm, there seems to be pretty much hate against Piquet, Bourdais, Räikkönen, Kovalainen now that they are the "losers".

Nobody hates Button. smile.gif
Tomerell
QUOTE (Pegaso @ May 12 2009, 15:52) *
As always Lewis was the driver of the race, unbelievable performance.


roflmao.gif roflmao.gif roflmao.gif what race you did you follow last Sunday roflmao.gif roflmao.gif roflmao.gif

What a load of...
Owen
QUOTE (Rinehart @ May 12 2009, 14:34) *
Owen, you win the 'Captain Obvious' title for that wonderful piece of deduction!

It was MS then Alonso then Lewis. Nobody ever hates the loosers partly because they're not a threat and partly because they simply aren't under the microscope like the winners.



Sorry if you thought it was obvious Rinehart.
Pikku Pakkanen
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 15:08) *
Heikki gets this a lot when he is rammed in the start with his 90 kg fuel load. It was nice to see Lewis can't do any better in the same situation. Lapped 15th usually gets Heikki crusified, but with Lewis it's the best that could be achieved...

Pity they didn't bother to build a working car for Heikki. Again.

Has Lewis EVER had technical problems BTW? Other than destroying his tyres all the time.



Anybody know? I really can't remember any technical problems at all in 40 races.

In his 23 races with McLaren Heikki has had at least 6 technical problems in races alone.
chhatra
QUOTE (Pikku Pakkanen @ May 12 2009, 14:43) *
Hmm, there seems to be pretty much hate against Piquet, Bourdais, Räikkönen, Kovalainen now that they are the "losers".

Nobody hates Button. smile.gif



Thats because everyone has sympathy for, 'he was in a bad car for 6 years and now he's winning good on him'. Whereas people always hated the fact that Lewis was given a good car from his first race.

I'm not going to debate any further, because as always it's impossible to change someone's opinion when they feel so strongly about it.

Oh and your point about cars disappearing and retiring in front of him is silly, it's how championships are won, like alonso in 05, he benefitted greatly from kimi retiring and juan crashing all the time. Also, as in Australia, Lewis maintained his head when cars in front of him were crashing out at the first corner and drove through the wreckage slowly rather than risking it and trying to make up a few places. The fact is he finished ahead of Kubica and Glock who both qualified ahead of him and both possessed cars that were superior to the McLaren.

EDIT
Why did Kimi retire more times than montoya in 05, if they were favouring drivers than surely they would have sabotaged montoya. I'mreally tired of these consipracy theories.
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