I can't wait for the new season now. All new line-up at McLaren plus one rookie, a rookie in at Renault, Raikkonen to Ferrari - damn it's still five months off!
Big congratulations to Hamilton - he's had the breaks but he's earned them too.
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Originally posted by Lontano
i guess Pedro did not show that he deserved the drive during his races this year, but i was really hoping he would get a last chance before being retired from racing.
good luck Lewis, you will need it!
i guess Pedro did not show that he deserved the drive during his races this year, but i was really hoping he would get a last chance before being retired from racing.
good luck Lewis, you will need it!
He did get a last chance, but he blew it.
Fantastic news, very surprised it has been announced so soon. I thought they would wait until he had done some more testing, but this means he can concentrate on the important stuff rather than trying to impress.
Originally posted by Clatter
He did get a last chance, but he blew it.
Fantastic news, very surprised it has been announced so soon. I thought they would wait until he had done some more testing, but this means he can concentrate on the important stuff rather than trying to impress.
He did get a last chance, but he blew it.
Fantastic news, very surprised it has been announced so soon. I thought they would wait until he had done some more testing, but this means he can concentrate on the important stuff rather than trying to impress.
I think there is a good chance McLaren wanted to clip the wings from all the Häkkinen speculation floating around. Well I guess on top of confirming Hamilton this probably means the media interest around Häkkinen was not engineered nor appreciated by McLaren.
I was still secretly hoping Häkkinen would have joined Alonso.
It would have been interesting to see how he would have performed.
It would also have made the F1 season almost a Finnish Championship -
as Kovalainen said...and that would have been so
It would have been interesting to see how he would have performed.
It would also have made the F1 season almost a Finnish Championship -
as Kovalainen said...and that would have been so
Good news, but not a surprise. If Ron gave the seat to anybody else, it would have been for the reason that he didn't want to give it to Lewis (being concerned about jumping in at the deep end), rather than because anybody else deserved it. I think Hamilton will struggle with limited running on race weekends, so I hope people won't judge him too quickly.
He should be very OK in that regard next year, as they'll have two 90 mins sessions on Friday, where they don't have to use the race engine.
Originally posted by race addicted
He should be very OK in that regard next year, as they'll have two 90 mins sessions on Friday, where they don't have to use the race engine.
He should be very OK in that regard next year, as they'll have two 90 mins sessions on Friday, where they don't have to use the race engine.
Good point. That may have swung the balance in his favour.
Originally posted by Bart
Good news, but not a surprise. If Ron gave the seat to anybody else, it would have been for the reason that he didn't want to give it to Lewis (being concerned about jumping in at the deep end), rather than because anybody else deserved it. I think Hamilton will struggle with limited running on race weekends, so I hope people won't judge him too quickly.
Good news, but not a surprise. If Ron gave the seat to anybody else, it would have been for the reason that he didn't want to give it to Lewis (being concerned about jumping in at the deep end), rather than because anybody else deserved it. I think Hamilton will struggle with limited running on race weekends, so I hope people won't judge him too quickly.
Why will he get limited running? The rules have changed, so will get plenty of on-track time.
Although I would have liked to have an all Spanish team, saw this comming. A few weeks ago during the Alonso's radio tribute he let it slip. Something like "Traditionaly McLaren has had tall drivers, but now with me and Hamilton driving for them they can make smaller cockpits. Hamilton or de la Rosa I mean!".
Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark.
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark.
Originally posted by Owen
Good point. That may have swung the balance in his favour.
Good point. That may have swung the balance in his favour.
Yes I agree too, this might have made the decisive difference.
Indeed the added Friday running will make things easier for rookies from now on. In 06 the rookies were handicapped with seriously limited running on Fridays. Williams ran especially little, which hurt Rosberg IMHO.
Out of the 22 regular drivers that competed in F1 in 2006, who are the 12 that Ronny is “distinctly unimpressed with” as opposed to those he is “just unimpressed with” as opposed to those he is impressed with ?
Where does Pedro fit into Ron’s assessment?
Where does Pedro fit into Ron’s assessment?
Originally posted by Ceejay
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark. [/B]
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark. [/B]
Were you being sarcastic? As I commented in the other thread, that actually puts more pressure on LH if McLaren is a better-than-average car, meaning a top 5 (out of 11) car.
Originally posted by Ceejay
Where does Pedro fit into Ron’s assessment?
Where does Pedro fit into Ron’s assessment?
That's an interesting one. Would like to know for sure.
CONGRATULATIONS TO LEWIS.
Hard work time, like he has never worked before. He has an advantage over Alonso, he has more time in the McLaren ;)
Hard work time, like he has never worked before. He has an advantage over Alonso, he has more time in the McLaren ;)
Originally posted by Ceejay
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
Dennis must be very impressed by Hamilton indeed, as this is as far as I can recall the first time he rookie driver for a raceseat.
ps. Technically Michael Andretti would probably be considered a rookie in F1, but CART isn't a junior series.
Originally posted by HSJ
Were you being sarcastic? As I commented in the other thread, that actually puts more pressure on LH if McLaren is a better-than-average car, meaning a top 5 (out of 11) car.
Were you being sarcastic? As I commented in the other thread, that actually puts more pressure on LH if McLaren is a better-than-average car, meaning a top 5 (out of 11) car.
But don't forget that usually they have only the 8th best engine, so that eases the pressure again.
;)
I'm quite excited that LH gets the seat, will make the intra-team battle at McLaren interesting at least. Nothing against PdlR, just that we already know (roughly) his potential.
Originally posted by Ceejay
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark. [/B]
[B]Quote by Ron Dennis:
"If you had a situation where all the cars were equal, I think Lewis would beat a significant percentage of the drivers who currently sit on a Grand Prix grid," he said. "I am distinctly unimpressed with the majority of drivers currently involved in F1,
No pressure on Lewis then. Typical Dennis remark. [/B]
Where's the problem? McLaren is still a top team, I'd be unimpressed by everyone bar Alonso and Raikkonen, so I think he's being very generous if anything. Perhaps the maybe list includes: Button, Massa, Webber, Kubica, Rosberg... I've run out and I think people will be guffawing at even that list. No, there's no way I could get to the halfway point.
Originally posted by Foxbat
Dennis must be very impressed by Hamilton indeed, as this is as far as I can recall the first time he rookie driver for a raceseat.
Dennis must be very impressed by Hamilton indeed, as this is as far as I can recall the first time he rookie driver for a raceseat.
Andretti.
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
Originally posted by ensign14
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
De Cesaris in a Mclaren? Hard to believe that ever happened but I believe you.
Originally posted by ensign14
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
Right you are, I forgot about Magnussen's one race for Mclaren (but then it was a pretty forgetful performance ;)).
Originally posted by Owen
De Cesaris in a Mclaren? Hard to believe that ever happened but I believe you.
De Cesaris in a Mclaren? Hard to believe that ever happened but I believe you.
They needed someone to test the new, and unproven, safety characteristics of Barnard's carbon-fibre monocoque.
Originally posted by Foxbat
They needed someone to test the new, and unproven, safety characteristics of Barnard's carbon-fibre monocoque.
They needed someone to test the new, and unproven, safety characteristics of Barnard's carbon-fibre monocoque.
Originally posted by Foxbat
They needed someone to test the new, and unproven, safety characteristics of Barnard's carbon-fibre monocoque.
They needed someone to test the new, and unproven, safety characteristics of Barnard's carbon-fibre monocoque.
I think expendable is the word you were looking for.
Originally posted by ensign14
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
And Magnussen. De Cesaris was almost one but he was somewhat foisted on Ronzo.
I forgot about Magnussen for a few races. This is what I fear most for Lewis. The Magnussen effect.
Originally posted by Owen
De Cesaris in a Mclaren? Hard to believe that ever happened but I believe you.
1981. He averaged more than a crash per race. Team-mate Wattie got a win and a smattering of podia, the blessed Andrea got a mighty point.
De Cesaris in a Mclaren? Hard to believe that ever happened but I believe you.
It was a Marlboro decision, perhaps not unrelated to the fact that the head of Marlboro Italia was a Signor de Cesaris. Hence Marlboro's sponsorship of Alfa from 1980 - pretty much guaranteed the vertebreaker a seat somewhere.
Originally posted by F1Johnny
I forgot about Magnussen for a few races. This is what I fear most for Lewis. The Magnussen effect.
I forgot about Magnussen for a few races. This is what I fear most for Lewis. The Magnussen effect.
I don't think Lewis is as vulnerable as Magnussen was cos he'll get a good winter testing programme rather than a mid season jump in and he's not coming in directly from F3 and is likely to be fitter than Magnussen was.
Congratulations Lewis
Seems that some people have been listening to me ;) Will have to change my signature now from "Lewis Hamilton for an F1 drive 2007" to "Go Lewis Hamilton- 2007 McLaren F1 driver" 
Originally posted by Will
I don't think Lewis is as vulnerable as Magnussen was cos he'll get a good winter testing programme rather than a mid season jump in and he's not coming in directly from F3 and is likely to be fitter than Magnussen was.
Congratulations Lewis Seems that some people have been listening to me ;) Will have to change my signature now from "Lewis Hamilton for an F1 drive 2007" to "Go Lewis Hamilton- 2007 McLaren F1 driver"
I don't think Lewis is as vulnerable as Magnussen was cos he'll get a good winter testing programme rather than a mid season jump in and he's not coming in directly from F3 and is likely to be fitter than Magnussen was.
Congratulations Lewis
Seems that some people have been listening to me ;) Will have to change my signature now from "Lewis Hamilton for an F1 drive 2007" to "Go Lewis Hamilton- 2007 McLaren F1 driver" yes, it was yuor posts that changed Ron's mind
Good to hear he was informed of the decision before the Chinese GP.
All those stories about shoot outs between him and PdlR were wide off the mark.
All those stories about shoot outs between him and PdlR were wide off the mark.
Congrats to Lewis.
I'm no fan of McLaren, but am really pleased they have gone for Hamilton rather than De La Rozzzzzzzzzzza.
I'm starting to look forward to 2007.
I'm no fan of McLaren, but am really pleased they have gone for Hamilton rather than De La Rozzzzzzzzzzza.
I'm starting to look forward to 2007.
Originally posted by RDM
Congrats to Lewis.
I'm no fan of McLaren, but am really pleased they have gone for Hamilton rather than De La Rozzzzzzzzzzza.
I'm starting to look forward to 2007.
Congrats to Lewis.
I'm no fan of McLaren, but am really pleased they have gone for Hamilton rather than De La Rozzzzzzzzzzza.
I'm starting to look forward to 2007.
Seconded.
I just think Lewis needs a season with a lower grid team. I also think Paffet would have been thee best choice (I think best british driver about)
Hamilton brings another exciting element for next year. Could be great season.
Originally posted by Clatter
Why will he get limited running? The rules have changed, so will get plenty of on-track time.
Why will he get limited running? The rules have changed, so will get plenty of on-track time.
Sorry, yes, I'd forgotten that the Friday rules have changed yet again.
Originally posted by jonpollak
A little birdie told me last night she is fairly sure HAMMY will be gettin the McDrive....
I CAN'T WAIT
Jp
A little birdie told me last night she is fairly sure HAMMY will be gettin the McDrive....
I CAN'T WAIT
Jp
Good to see my source was on the money......
Thanks Sweety
Jp
I could not care less about the other posts, I am just so extremely happy for Lewis and McLaren.
I know Lewis will be getting a racing birth from hell facing up to Alonso, still he will learn from the best there is and he will have every opportunity to become a future WDC if McLaren can get their act together. Chamgagne is flowing at my house tonight for more resons than one!
I know Lewis will be getting a racing birth from hell facing up to Alonso, still he will learn from the best there is and he will have every opportunity to become a future WDC if McLaren can get their act together. Chamgagne is flowing at my house tonight for more resons than one!
On my 21st Birthday too. This is excellent news!
If nobody else has already said it, about time.
What took so long, or did they not want to announce it too soon. Anyway it's good to know that my pessimism was unnecessary.
What took so long, or did they not want to announce it too soon. Anyway it's good to know that my pessimism was unnecessary.
Congratulations to Lewis I am looking forward to seeing him battle Alonso, but I worry about what could happen to his career if the car is a beast and he gets a schalacking from FA for a couple of years.
Sounds like MW to me, this might have been the 'possibility' Mark spoke of early August when he left Williams, rather than the Renault seat. Also since Pedro was part of the grid, I guess he didn't shine either.
I am looking forward to seeing him battle Alonso, but I worry about what could happen to his career if the car is a beast and he gets a schalacking from FA for a couple of years.
Originally posted by Orin
Where's the problem? McLaren is still a top team, I'd be unimpressed by everyone bar Alonso and Raikkonen, so I think he's being very generous if anything. Perhaps the maybe list includes: Button, Massa, Webber, Kubica, Rosberg... I've run out and I think people will be guffawing at even that list. No, there's no way I could get to the halfway point.
Where's the problem? McLaren is still a top team, I'd be unimpressed by everyone bar Alonso and Raikkonen, so I think he's being very generous if anything. Perhaps the maybe list includes: Button, Massa, Webber, Kubica, Rosberg... I've run out and I think people will be guffawing at even that list. No, there's no way I could get to the halfway point.
"We reviewed the whole grid and, if you take out the recognised top three, one of whom retired, we felt that in looking at the others that they had plateaud in their career. There is the odd exception of someone who has not had good enough equipment, but there was no one who really shined.
Sounds like MW to me, this might have been the 'possibility' Mark spoke of early August when he left Williams, rather than the Renault seat. Also since Pedro was part of the grid, I guess he didn't shine either.
Originally posted by jonpollak
Good to see my source was on the money......
Thanks Sweety
No problem snugglebum Good to see my source was on the money......
Thanks Sweety
The one thing I am worried about is whether the environment and culture at McLaren will be good for a rookie.
Especially after reading this at itv.com
This is sooo Mclaren.
All these things only add more unnecessary pressure, I am afraid.
The guy is a human being, not a robot you can program.
As Pat Symmonds said about the environment at McLaren:
"If you want to be an astronaut, that's the place to be"
Especially after reading this at itv.com
The 21-year-old Briton, who will become the first black driver to compete in F1 at Melbourne, is currently under-going one of the most comprehensive preparation programs in the sport's history.
Hamilton is spending more than four hours a day in McLaren's gym, as well as receiving intensive training in mental focus, dealing with pressure and F1's rules and regulations.
"Hamilton is also working with a trainer from the Finnish Olympic team who has devised a program mental exercises to counter the pressures faced when racing for a top F1 team."
Hamilton is spending more than four hours a day in McLaren's gym, as well as receiving intensive training in mental focus, dealing with pressure and F1's rules and regulations.
"Hamilton is also working with a trainer from the Finnish Olympic team who has devised a program mental exercises to counter the pressures faced when racing for a top F1 team."
This is sooo Mclaren.
All these things only add more unnecessary pressure, I am afraid.
The guy is a human being, not a robot you can program.
As Pat Symmonds said about the environment at McLaren:
"If you want to be an astronaut, that's the place to be"
Congratulations to Hamiltoon.
Pedro never really had a chance for next season's drive, despite fervent desire of certain people. With JPM's departure, he was given a golden opportunity to show his abilities along-side Kimi Raikkonnen and he didn't impress. No point in sticking with a known underperformer; better to try your luck with some fresh blood, seems to be Ron Dennis' line of thinking, and no one can disagree with that.
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
Next season the Mclaren is unlikely to be a race winning machine, this is my personal theory based on the fact that they'll be new to Bridgestone tires. If they are good I'll be genuinely surprised and happy for them. This is a good platform for LH to establish himself. If he really is any good, Lewis just has to be close to Fernando's pace all season, and beat him a few times.
Easier said than done. I can easily see FA outperforming LH in every single qualifying session, and destroying LH's career in very first season. When that happens, I hope his supporters do not play the rookie card. Let us see, intersting times ahead.
Pedro never really had a chance for next season's drive, despite fervent desire of certain people. With JPM's departure, he was given a golden opportunity to show his abilities along-side Kimi Raikkonnen and he didn't impress. No point in sticking with a known underperformer; better to try your luck with some fresh blood, seems to be Ron Dennis' line of thinking, and no one can disagree with that.
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
Next season the Mclaren is unlikely to be a race winning machine, this is my personal theory based on the fact that they'll be new to Bridgestone tires. If they are good I'll be genuinely surprised and happy for them. This is a good platform for LH to establish himself. If he really is any good, Lewis just has to be close to Fernando's pace all season, and beat him a few times.
Easier said than done. I can easily see FA outperforming LH in every single qualifying session, and destroying LH's career in very first season. When that happens, I hope his supporters do not play the rookie card. Let us see, intersting times ahead.
Originally posted by primer
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
LH worse thing to happen to JB
I'll bet JB couldnt give a stuff about column inches. You have to remember that these guys do not enter the sport because they want their pictures in the tabloids, they do because its what they love, and LH joining Mac has no affect whatsoever on JB.
Ofcourse Hamilton will get attention, havent you watched GP2? they were all over him every race.
Originally posted by primer
Congratulations to Hamiltoon.
Pedro never really had a chance for next season's drive, despite fervent desire of certain people. With JPM's departure, he was given a golden opportunity to show his abilities along-side Kimi Raikkonnen and he didn't impress. No point in sticking with a known underperformer; better to try your luck with some fresh blood, seems to be Ron Dennis' line of thinking, and no one can disagree with that.
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
Next season the Mclaren is unlikely to be a race winning machine, this is my personal theory based on the fact that they'll be new to Bridgestone tires. If they are good I'll be genuinely surprised and happy for them. This is a good platform for LH to establish himself. If he really is any good, Lewis just has to be close to Fernando's pace all season, and beat him a few times.
Easier said than done. I can easily see FA outperforming LH in every single qualifying session, and destroying LH's career in very first season. When that happens, I hope his supporters do not play the rookie card. Let us see, intersting times ahead.
Congratulations to Hamiltoon.
Pedro never really had a chance for next season's drive, despite fervent desire of certain people. With JPM's departure, he was given a golden opportunity to show his abilities along-side Kimi Raikkonnen and he didn't impress. No point in sticking with a known underperformer; better to try your luck with some fresh blood, seems to be Ron Dennis' line of thinking, and no one can disagree with that.
Would be interesting to see how the English/UK press warm up to LH. Will they be able to have two favorites or will Jenson get left in the background? I suppose they'll just cheer whichever driver is getting more podium/wins? In any case, Jenson 'attaboy' Buttoon would have to share the limelight and news columns. LH is the worst thing to happen to JB. Black too.
Next season the Mclaren is unlikely to be a race winning machine, this is my personal theory based on the fact that they'll be new to Bridgestone tires. If they are good I'll be genuinely surprised and happy for them. This is a good platform for LH to establish himself. If he really is any good, Lewis just has to be close to Fernando's pace all season, and beat him a few times.
Easier said than done. I can easily see FA outperforming LH in every single qualifying session, and destroying LH's career in very first season. When that happens, I hope his supporters do not play the rookie card. Let us see, intersting times ahead.
I very much doubt that the new Bridgestones will have a great deal more in common withthe old Bridgestones, than the old Michlens - except for the writing on the wall, so to speak.
Did JV change his name to Lewis Hamilton?
I wish LH success in 07.
I wish LH success in 07.
I am genuinely well happy that Lewis has finally got to F1. Its gonna be tough, but I think if anything the press will go easier on him being up against a two time world champ. All he has to do is keep his nose clean, learn the tracks, finish races and not try to do too much too soon. (easier said than done though). Noone will expect him to trounce Alonso, he just needs to stay close and not crash too much thats all.
I still cannot warm to Ron Dennis at all though. I'm gonna find it so hard backing Lewis when his boss really gets up my nose.
I still cannot warm to Ron Dennis at all though. I'm gonna find it so hard backing Lewis when his boss really gets up my nose.
Fantastic news! Go Mclaren!
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