Because this the Hamilton thread?

Whatever, I don't "moan". For all I care, Lewis may express himself any way he sees fit.

I just reserve my right to have an opinion about some of it. Hope you don't mind?

Absolutely. It's blatantly obvious that Massa ripped off Senna's helmet colours and design. The guy has no respect or imagination..

LOL right so I guess you landed on planet earth just after Liegate

What would you want? Do you want Hamilton to drop his traditional helmet colours, which he's using since more than 15 years already, just because you hate him since a couple of years?

Those colours are tradition and history already, perfect match to his Sennaesque driving style and career.

He's said that regarding media hype.

the colours massa has are the colours from brasil if you haven't noticed.
what colours do you want him to have black, yellow and black?
common man the guy chose his national colours nd all of a sudden he's copying senna?

I thought Hamilton's helmet was in tribute to the national colours of Grenada, where his ancestors migrated from. TBH with the whole Senna-esque thing, I adore Lewis but he isn't 'just like Senna' he has his own unique style, no one is like Senna and no one will ever be like Senna. Just as no one is like Schumacher everyone is unique. These comparisons are nothing more than wishful thinking, people miss Senna so much they resort to convincing people Lewis, or XYZ is just like Senna so they can reminisce or make the younger generation appreciate Senna.

Yes, I also consider him unique, but he has Sennaesque marks; being a McLaren driver, winning his 1st WDC at McLaren 20 years later, being good in the rain, being an aggressive attacking driver, having yellow helmet and so on.

Regarding the reason for his helmet colours, see this video:
http://www.asiaone.com/Multimedia/Story/A1...070723-844.html

Thanks for the video. Obviously there are similarities between Senna and Hamilton but there are also differences. For instance i can't imagine Lewis punching a backmarker for weaving and percieved dangerous driving a la Senna

Didn't Lewis say he was close to Senna over a lap in the pre-race show of the 07 Brazilian GP?

He'll call them monkeys, though.

I'm suprised none of the journalists have pulled him up this year over that comment.

Well, Lewis would probably admit that HE is one of the monkeys at the back now.

Mountain. Molehill.

Nah if i was Lewis i'd argue that Kubica and Alonso aren't monkeys..

At least he's a got a personality, an attitude and he is not afraid to say proudly (and loudly) what he thinks. Unlike 90% of the current generation of F1 drivers.

I've always thought the 'monkeys at the back' was a little joke at his position at the time, his 5th ever F1 race and leading the championship. Said with a grin but to a journalist and the words were reported without the body language that went with them. Can't remember who he said it to though, I heard Martin Brundle mention it and he took it as meant arrogantly, but I don't know where he heard it from.

So you'll be able to give me the examples of when the other drivers have been asked specifically about drivers that they have mentioned as their heroes
and how they are connected to them?

No I doubt you will because none of the other drivers are hounded with the same questions about an hero they've mentioned like Lewis has been.

It was on of Steve Riders' "Saturday-evening" interviews.

I imagine I would b full of confidence if I was a 20something world champion and only F1 driver to start their career with 9 straight podiums.

That said, it is a bit much LH. Its one thing to admire previous drivers, as they serve as inspiration in a way, but if you say you "share" something with him, its almost like he is saying it just for attention.

Nice twist... . No, I certainly won't be able to give you examples of things that didn't happen, namely other drivers comparing themselves as directly as Hamilton to past greats (be it Senna or whoever).



Ah, so its the journalists fault to ask those evil questions only to Hamilton. I see...

maybe he got confused and meant "monkey of his back" as in he finally won his first race

Probably covered earlier in the Thread but why did Lewis H in his post British GP interview call the Corners at Silverstone 1,2,3 etc.I thought every British person involved in any Motor Racing activity would say Copse,Becketts,Stowe,etc.Am I even further out of date with F1 than I thought I was?
I have no particular opinion about LH but feel he is badly advised by his manager who is not in a position to make a pragmatic decision due to the family connection.Suppose it's difficult to have two father figures!His father is a bit like those Tennis family managers and that always ends up in Tears.

Ah, I always avoided those

Do you remember it, how he said it?

He doesn't 'compare himself' to Senna, he talks about feeling a connection. Or being inspired by him or hoping to emulate him at some time in the future. And there are some valid parallels - the drive, extreme competitiveness, a mystical side to them, the star quality, and each the class of their generation. So I don't have a problem with the Lewis/Ayrton discussion, they are similar, but different. And of course Hamilton is 24, we think of Senna later in his career.

Being a great AS fan, you don't think you're defending his record against LH, wanting it to be everlasting?

Why always the need to interprete his words and tell us what he really wanted to say? As a native speaker, Hamilton should be able to express himself appropriately, don't you think? And from my understanding "that we're somehow similar" is comparing himself with Senna.

Which he is of course free to do, just don't deny it happened.



You always go that route, don't you? Last time you accused me of only critizising Hamilton because of Alonso, now because of Senna...

And it's not even real criticism in this case, I just quoted what Lewis himself has said and then stated that most, if not all other drivers chose different words when asked about their heros, they usually don't bring themselves in quite so easily.

It's a matter of style more than anything else.

Well just pondering motives, you know, the more generous ones anyway; most people if they don't care for a driver they don't keep posting about them.

Lewis seeing Senna in himself is no different,than Kimi identifying himself more to James Hunt and 70`s style of racing. I cant believe im defending Hamilton,but all F1 drivers have idols and they look at these idols differently.

Yeah I know, that's what you keep doing with Hamilton all the time, and there it doesn't work either.



I would say the opposite is true, and who says I don't care, anyway?

Can i ask you as65p what it is you are trying to accomplisch other then putting Lewis in a negative spotlight?

I want to remember you, that we are all the same ... Obama isnt better then you nor me, you arent any better then your neightbour, and i'm not better then any 24h-a-day-drunk. We are all the same, we have all the same purpose in life, do what you are good at and do it with a smile on your face because you only live once, and that Lewis tells some overrated reporter that he feels some connection with Senna, someone he 'adores' his whole life? ... I respect people, people who arent afraid to admit they respect someone, because you and i know respect is a feeling, right? And what is the danger that other people know your feeling? They are using it against you, like you are doing at this very moment. I guess you and i know when we want to 'hurt' peoples feeling, or those connected to their idol, like me being a fan of Lewis, which how very surprising! will be used against me, right?

IMO you arent making any statement(-s) other then moaning about the same over and over and over and over and over .........

ps. and it is childish to pick on someone, or someones quotes that he or she (Lewis in this case) ventilated like 2 years(?) ago? ... Think about something new please.

Oh dear.

That's quite right, I'm not making any statements, I'm only quoting Lewis Hamilton. If that, according to you, puts him "in a negative spotlight", it's hardly my fault, or ist it?

How many more times would I have to state that I have no personal issues with Hamiltons words, for it to get through?

My only point was with those who a) claim that every other driver would answer the same way, which evidently isn't true and b) those who try to twist Lewis' plain english into something they supossedly would have liked him to say instead.

Someone earlier in the thread wrote how Senna talked about seeing god on the racetrack, which I personally find hilarious. Yet you won't find me denying his words or twisting them to mean something else or claiming every driver has spiritual experiences on the track.

Yeah sure, you're sooo neutral you just can't stop posting about him .

And it's everyone else who's twisting his words.

And in fact you weren't even posting about Hamilton at all. Obviously.

Not exactly everyone and you're in any case still the master Hamilton-mindreader, don't worry about that position!

At least according to your smileys you're having a real blast, so that should be considered something good coming out of it, don't you think?

The true pheomenon is that Hamilton is about the only celebrity I know of who is defended by his fans against his very own words - mindboggling...

Well it's important to keep a sense of humour

But Hamilton says he uses Senna as an inspiration and benchmark. Not that he is his equal. True or false?

It's not whats or how it's said, it's how it's interpreted by it's receiver. That are, my friend, 2 totaly different things.

Did he? I'm not familiar with all Hamilton quotes about Senna.



Yep, AFAIK he doesn't claim to be Senna's equal. Then again, nobody (certainly not me) ever claimed that Hamilton would have said that. So whats your point?



Well, I take your word for it on the inspiration and benchmark thing, and I'm not aware that he ever literally claimed to be Senna's equal.

See, I played along, despite we were talking about a different and blatantly clear statement from Hamilton. Let me remind you again:

"I've always felt like I have a connection with him, that we're somehow similar. I do crazy things that other people wouldn't do, and I feel like I have an edge, too. I feel I share something with him."

Underlines by me, of course. As far as I can see we have three very simple and plain statements here. Lewis states that:

- he feels he has a connection with Senna
- he feels he and Senna are "somehow similar"
- he feels that he "shares something" with Senna

Did he say those things, true or not?

Just that, as of now, I didn't even tell how I personally interpret his words, I only quoted them.

Well you quoted them, you tell me Source?

And why did you quote them? Was it because you love to see the spirit of your hero living on in our young star? Or do you think it shows Lewis to have some flaw in his character? Or was it because you have no opinion about it, perhaps?

yikes did hammy actually say that?

Well, whats your interpretation of these quotes then? That you still, after 2 years, need to refer to them?

And if this line/quote is the only thing you can come up with in the 2.5 years Lewis is in F1? ... Well, everyone has some quotes / actions / reputation that can be interpreted in many different ways, who do you support as65p?

The quotes are from before Brazil 2008, you can find them all over the british media of that time.

For example The Telegraph, BBC Sport, London Evening Standard

Thanks for the links, I liked this quote didn't take him long to tick that box

"Hamilton has yet to show the same disregard for sportsmanship which Senna was often capable"

No no, you have to understand that it was all Dave Ryans fault! Remember that he was already there in Suzuka 1990, he is the true evil!

sadly thats the modern way :/, think it started when circuits started to call corners the same as other race tracks, and the new tracks dont have the tewah :x

Yes he did, and I like him all the more for it.

same. i guess it wrong for people to think what they want in this world and no get slughtered by a numpty behind a computer.

It was "Davey" Ryan for liegate, actually, to convey how cute, cuddly and sweet he is.



He gave 35 years of love, only to be cruelly sacrificed for not telling anyone to do anything

Yep. From the looks of it alone, it's quite obvious that Lewis is totally innocent. Again.

Do you ever give up? And more importantly, do you have anything constructive to add? The whole point of this thread is to discuss the racing driver Lewis Hamilton - not to constantly reel off the same old bashing shit that's been beaten to death over and over again by those that dislike him on the various forums of this world.

Change the record FFS.