Yeah Tee Hee you nearly scored a point.

But aspy's 'confused' didn't include any radio, despite my invitation to commit one way or the other.

And you won't either, will you? Well, do let us know if you go with team radio or no team radio.

How many types of confusion does Lewis have??

Your opinion as important as it is and your generous invitation to commit one way or the other really doesn't make a difference to what actually happened. Is there a quote from Hamilton about these blinking lights and general state of confusion in that McLaren as Bonventura mentioned? That would be a good place to start.

Width of the Valencia pitlane?

Radio or not?

Questions, questions

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...d_10062744.html
Frage: "Es sah aber so aus, als hättest du beim Überholen gezögert..."
Hamilton: "Nein. Wenn das Safety-Car rauskommt, dann hast du die ganzen Piepstöne im Ohr und Informationen auf der Anzeige und Leuchtsignale, die angehen. Es ist ein bisschen Zeit zwischen der ersten und zweiten Safety-Car-Linie. Zwischen den Safety-Car-Linien darf man schnell fahren. Das ist einfach alles so verwirrend. Wenn du an der zweiten Safety-Car-Linie vorbei bist, kannst du pushen, also bin ich aufs Gas gestiegen und habe versucht, den Abstand auf Sebastian zu verringern. Als ich durch die erste Kurve fuhr, sah ich fast auf Höhe der Safety-Car-Linie auf einmal das Safety-Car. Da war ich baff, also ging ich kurz vom Gas, aber ich hatte das Gefühl, bereits vorbei zu sein."

This interview is somwhere in english, too
(f1.com, autosport ??I don't want to search)
The thing about the team radio was relevant for the Race Control, and it was somewhere mentioned that it could not have been clearly identifyed because it was overlayed from the SC messagee, so the RC could not use it as they had to decide about Lewis punishment
Believe it or not, I don't save this quotes or links, and I don't want to search it
perhaps it's somwehre in this thread many pages earlier, or at the post race discussion.....
It was discussed after Europe GP long enough.

translation:
If "the safety car comes out, then you were all over the beeps in the ear and information on the display and LED signals that concern. No. It's a bit of time between the first and second safety car line Safety. Between the Car lines allowed to drive fast. It's just all so confusing.

I'm done..
i think i will wait the presentation of the first cars before coming here to post....

What "truth"? There's not the slightest indication to your fantastic version of events.

Last driver getting so many bashing for occasional mistakes (maybe even more I have to admit) I saw in F1 was Michael Schumacher. I think it speaks a lot about how good Lewis really is.

The article does indeed touch on Hamilton's state of mind:
"And with the pressure cooker environment of his home race coming up next, I’m starting to wonder if Hamilton is mentally tough enough to cope with the weight of expectation and a dire need to end his two-race point-less streak."

Silverstone 2008 will be long remembered as one of the most dominant victories in modern F1. The article is much ado about nothing and as was proved by his performance at his next home race, it was also wide off the mark in its speculation.

This makes for interesting reading, it certainly makes certain posts more understandable........

I'd love to see the Lewis to whatever ratio.......

busted.

Edited:
Obviously a closet Hamilton fan

Gold Gold Gold.

halifaxf1fan on lewis

Lewis on halifaxf1fan

Thanks Klyster. This has been a very interesting and busy thread since the season ended (so miserably for LH unfortunately). There is still a lot of work to do here and with so many apologists that ratio is just going to get better and better. At least until testing begins!

Sorry, I do not usually come in here, and I did not check history on this thread, but has anyone translated this:

Is Hamilton at war with his employer?

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n...set/186626.html

Busy yes, interesting no.

Yeah it has been discussed. Looks like Lewis has an enemy in the team. I don't think anybody has given much credence to the story though.

Thanks.

1. Didnt the media report that LH followed Macca's advice re the F-Duct in Monza and JB didnt and that but for the error on the first lap he had a shot at winning the race??

2. The car went backwards after Monza relative to the Redbull and the Ferrari... I imagine that this could have placed a strain on the relationship between the drivers (particularly LH) and the team. Anyway, this story seems to contradict everything else we were hearing contemporaneously. LH is one of the most scrutinised sportsmen on the planet, its kinda hard to think all this was happening without so much of a hint of it leaking out.

We will see next month


@JJCale
I did follow the other link - catchy music you play, man! Fantastic.

I am only a bit of a fan who borrowed the name of a great musician/songwriter.

Wonder if he went to the stadium today. Stevenage 3-1 Newcastle, lulz

From The Official Formula 1 Season Review 2010:

OK

Edit - hang on, but what was Macca's recommendation?

TBH, I cant remember clearly now - I do seem to recall that the press said the FDuct would not help and Macca was planning to take it off.

Whitmarsh said that Button did the right thing.

From the same source:



AFAIK the media speculation took place before the event.

ISTR McLaren turned up with a traditional low-drag setup "Monza spec" that didn't have an F-Duct (because the F-Duct wing was draggier), then the other teams all ran more downforce and were faster, so McLaren had to try their nearest shot which was the Canada wing.

McLaren basically didn't have an ideal configuration, so Lewis ended up one side of the ideal and Lewis the other side.

[edit] missed midgrid's earlier post. Could be my memory...but I did think what Lewis ran was a config developed specifically for Monza.

Now that would be useful to ensure the driver gets the right set up...cloning!

Ooops. sorry Jense

[edit 2] yeah I was wrong, they did start with the high d/f F-Duct setup in FP1. Well, that didn't look ideal, I still think.

Wasn't it the case that Lewis was to close to Webber at Q3 and therefore he was only 5th?

“Clearly, having been quick all weekend, Lewis had hoped for better than fifth place in qualifying. With hindsight, I think we sent him out just a little too close to Mark [Webber]. It’s always a tricky balancing act, because you want to send your drivers out so that they have a chance of getting a tow, but you don’t want to let them get so close to the cars they’re following that they encounter too much dirty air and therefore ‘wash out’ in the corners; I think that’s perhaps what happened to Lewis in Parabolica, hence his slightly disappointing time in sector 3.
Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren.com)

Lewis was fastest at FP3 on Saturday at Monza, 3rd at Q1 and 3rd at Q2 so his approach was not so wrong
Button was 5th at Fp 3, 4th Q1 and 2nd Q2

What do you think we would see?
Lewis not appearing, announcing he would leave McLaren?
I don't think so

Look at Macca page
http://mclaren.com/home
it doesn't look like Lewis fell out with McLaren.

I just don't buy this "insider" stories, as long as there is no source named
this insider phantome could be everybody, even me

If it had been Neale, MW , Lowe or an McLaren engineer , I would believe it
but this so called insider is strange.
Hasn't this Macca phantome appeared earlier, I think to remember there was once another strange story with the informations from an unnamed insider from McLaren before last season, with similar untenable assertions , like Lewis fell out with Macca is isolated in the team etc?

McLaren bring lateral thinking to the vexed issue of team orders:

Journalist: "Rumour has it that you will give Lewis Hamilton outright number one status next season, is this true?"
Whitmarsh: "Yes"*
Journalist: "But what about your much-vaunted principle of equality between your drivers?"
Whitmarsh: "We still believe in that, and we still hold to it. Lewis and Lewis will be treated equally."








*Actually it was Ron Dennis who replied. He said "The specific response to the interrogative statement regarding currently ongoing journalistic speculation is affirmative." But nobody understood the answer, so we asked Martin Whitmarsh.

2 Lewis's would be great
What a lot of fun on this thread (Lewis versus Lewis 2011)

Hahaha

Apologists for Lewis not winning in the 3rd best car?

We still got the unsolved issue of the 3rd best car by the Hamilton fans expertise being labeled the 2nd best car by that pesky McLaren engineer.

Unfortunately skewed by a driver performance rated at 7/10 by Ferrari; a car occassionally driven by that drivers brother so they say.

Clearly, at many races it was the third best.

Clearly, I agree. But at other races it was 2nd, even best at times like in Canada.

We know that simplistic labels as "3rd best car" don't nearly cover what happens during a season re: car performance. Instead it's just a grippy label for the... uhm.. apologists. Surely everyone agrees that RB had the overall best car of the year by a margin. Despite that, Hamilton/McLaren as well as Alonso/Ferrari have only themselves to blame for not stealing the crown from Vettel, both pairings where in a position (at various points) where it was all in their own hands, yet they both failed due to their very own mistakes. No getting around that, IMO.

i thought there was lots of potential unlocked from mclarens magical and superior design department, aided with hamiltons aerodynamic vision?

The blog (extract) in question:
There is nothing there to suggest that Goss' methodology has excluded driver performance, indeed, it appears that the drivers are included in the measurement data.
So:

Q(MP4-25 x (Hamilton + Button)) + R(MP4-25 x (Hamilton + Button)) = Q(F10 x (Alonso + Massa) + R(F10 x (Alonso + Massa)) + (0.074QR)

Where Q=Total number of Qualifying Laps, R=Total number of Race Laps, Hamilton, Button, Alonso, Massa are multipliers less than one that represent the proportion of possible car performance actually obtained.

We can see that this equation has four unquantified variables, Hamilton, Button, Alonso and Massa. To conclude that MP4-25 > F10, one has to assume that (Hamilton + Button) < (Alonso + Massa).
This is a possible outcome, but I think it is about as likely as an Australian batsman staying at the crease long enough to get a tan.

What Goss was demonstrating with his numbers was that the combination of McLaren car, Hamilton and Button was superior to the combination of Ferrari car, Alonso and Massa. An easier and more conventional means of finding the same solution is to look at the Constructors' Championship results.


NB. If any mathematicians wish to take issue with the above equations, or find any errors, they are politely invited to consider the following before posting:
1. This post is designed for educational and/or entertainment purposes only, it is not designed, intended or approved for use in systems intended to support or sustain life, or for any other application where the failure of the post could create a situation where personal injury or death may occur.
2. Even Einstein made mistakes!

yawn, and your point is?

Well, I thought it sends a bit mixed signals as to were the car exactly was. After Spa, a win for Mclaren, Withmarsh said there is more to come. Well, that was actually it. They never touched Red Bull except for Monza, what everybody expected due to the Merc engine (reliability enhanced and all) and their F-duct. Only now they come with an acknowledgement that the car was at best 2nd fastest. Then there was Lewis assertion that 'it was the best car hed ever driven' while actually being slower than last years dog around Hungary.

So it isnt really clear where it stood despite the constructors ranking. I wish Mclaren could be a little more forward about their car this coming season.

apologists for Hamilton finishing in the 2nd best car in fourth place overall. apologists for Hamilton being whipped by Alonso driving in the 3rd best car.


and this Tim Goss seems to be the one guy within McLaren who should know how fast his car is vs the competition. From the McLaren website:

Tim Goss entered Formula 1 with Cosworth in 1986 before joining McLaren as a design engineer in 1990. He has held many roles within the team, including stints as chief test team engineer, head of vehicle dynamics and chief engineer powertrain – a role in which he oversaw the introduction of the sport’s first-ever seamless-shift gearbox. Tim is currently one of the team’s two chief engineers, an alternating role he shares with Pat Fry. He is responsible for the complete specification, design and race development of MP4-25.

i would take his analysis on this over the opinion of internet forum dwellers with names like yorkie or slartibartfast or even halifaxf1fan. Goss would have the formula's and the expertise to compare apples to apples.


and thanks for bringing this up again yorkie as it raises an interesting question. i had always wondered why goss/McLaren would have made this car comparison (and only wrt Alonso's Ferrari of all cars) public, all it does is undermine and put pressure on their star driver. and now there is this insider who has made has statements (on Lewis's birthday of all days) about Lewis being at odds with the team.

it is always hard to put much weight on an 'insider' report alone but when you look at the Goss leak as well it adds some weight to this insider birthday gossip. So ..... is there a faction within McLaren trying to force LH out? This is hard to believe but it looks like something is up inside McLaren this off season.

Are these not just averages?

Why dont you look for yourself which car was more often than not quicker, and that was the Ferrari


Unfortunately for Lewis he doesnt have Alonso's engineering degree to find 6 tenths in any given car


Alonso said the Ferrari was the best car he's ever driven as well, unfortunately for the both of them, neither have driven the Red Bull.

McLaren pr talk along with we had the second fastest car

I think you'll find Pat Fry was at Ferrari last year, putting more pressure on Tim Goss perhaps, if he was the star why did Ferrari take Fry?

Maybe Lewis is a bit fed up at McLaren now? Two years running they've built an inferior car, if you want to look at the performance of the car just look at mistake free Button who finished 5th in the WDC

maybe Fry moving out is part of the change, was he pro-Lewis while Goss may be anti. I wonder which driver Goss and co are designing the new car around? the smooth and reliable Button or the fast, risk taking Hamilton.

Second fastest, not second best, do your homework better.

I don't think anyone sane would be anti-Lewis in McLaren, not just for driving skills but also for marketing potential of Hamilton. Car will be designed to be as fast as possible.