Like I said - Petrov seems to be the front runner.

Heidfeld in the running..........Oh well atleast i know who he is, hard to keep up with all these new names being thrown around the place.

Asked specifically whether 32-year-old Heidfeld is on the list, Boullier answered: "It would be a lie to say no.

"For a long time however he has been Robert's teammate. The question is whether we want to have the pair together again. But he is on our list," the Frenchman added.

From motorsport.com

Still if i was the manager id be strapping jv in the seat and they'll get points..maybe snag a podium and in 3 years pole/ fasdtest laps, wins.....

clearly preparing us for petrov. Only question is whether he is an alternative in case somehow heidfeld won't be signed, or he is frontrunner now.

Why can't they just decide already??

I guess Bouiller knows that Carlos has card toget Flav back on board.

To cheer you ppl up:



It seems that Kubica really needs wingman

just think of all the extra revenue from the sponsors!

maybe they could affort nick with this shit

Jacques didn't finish on the lead lap in any of the races, Alonso did.

Young gun,
Somehow i don't think farsailor was saying he did, just that in his short, sharp (bugger-all testing) time he was alongside alonso, he did show some pace in the end, and if he could do that alongside alonso after a year off and scrappy amounts of testing, then he wopuld surely give kubica a hell of a battle.

But clearly you're a poster intersted in stats/ results so unlikely to listen to any explanation.

No, I own a few autographs his too, mind you I was more impressed with the time he set a Silverstone where he blew Alonso out of the water. Maybe I expect more from a world champion than just being along side. However in fairness Jacques was out of action for a year, this time 3. Time to lower my sights I guess.

sorry to get the wrong idea. I'm always amazed at some of villeneuve's stunning drives/ laps scattered through all his f1 seasons, and always felt he did some of his best drives between 99 and 02, but just amazing how quick he can be on his day, he'd give schumi and hakkinen a hell of a fight in even equipment i've always thought, and thrash them both the odd time. Just never been mr consistency has he, which lets him look crap in slower cars, especially when all the times he does put the car up the grid it ends up blowing up.
Lets hope we get to see him in f1 again, imagine the great season we'd have to look forward to! A fight for the title between hamilton/ alonso and schumacher, and jv to watch in the mid-field....well i'd be happy anyway

If jv isn't back then we might aswell introduce shortcuts 'cos who else overtakes with anything resembling balls these days?

Why are you all talking about JV? This is a thread about Renault 2010, end he isn't even concerned at this team, the only thing that connects him with renault is that he is connected to Genii, but there wasn't even a single rumour that he could get that seat.

It is well known who the candidates are - Nick, Takuma, Romain and Vitaly (after that more unlikely Gravity drivers, but event then only HPT and JdA are mentioned, not JV).

The guy with JV in avatar has make you believe, that JV is a candidate for the second Renault seat, by talking this BS over and over again, and he is the only "source" of this "rumour" called "JV in Renault".
Like a German said some time ago: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

So please stick on topic, and make a JV thread seperately

Add Chistian Klien to the list too.



Who knows who Boullier is in talks with?

http://en.espnf1.com/renault/motorsport/story/7056.html

Well If the delay is going to get prolonged it's good news for Kubica - he will get more time driving the R30 and feedback race engineers are going to get will be 100% his. Not a bad position to be at all, especially given the fact does demand quite a bit from the car when he goes 110%.

edit: Thinking about it, it might indicate Kubi does have an factual no.1 status, whether it's in the contract or no, otherwise Renault would be in a bit more of a hurry to get the other driver equal opportunities from the get go. Pure speculation, obviously.

Which I think is the cause of the delay with Nick, including the possible dispute over pay. If they're willing to pay him a certain amount, he can expect to be treated as worth that amount. If that amount is very low, he'll suspect that his standing will be the same and that his future would be better served as Mercedes' third driver.

Yeah exactly, good stuff, work on that r30 Renault and Kubica! They know Kubica is obsessed with racing so it's good to see him at the factory since early on and just playing an expanded role in general, which is the deal after all with Renault, never really felt that was the case at BMW, where it was more like 'here's your car, it's not designed around you, it's designed around our KERS system, make sure the photographers get some shots of the Active Dynamics logo (or whatever the mumbo jumbo they used to write on the back was called)'.

Why the most of you thinks that the Boullier list with 2 experienced drivers doesn't include the Fisi name?


http://www.tomorrownewsf1.com/f1-le-nouvel...sfert-1612-9967

It doesn't make since why Renault would want to rent a Ferrari test driver. Sauber was Fisi's last chance. He's not racing this year.

Why not...the market is quite closed, thare are Nick (but Boullier said that he raced with Kubica and is not a good factor) there are the young with money but they could push Kubica? There is JV (bah....). Who else?

Good for Kubica and the car, but not so great for the team. What if second drivers gets only one or two days of testing? And it rains? He won't be competetive for several GP weekends (not valid if it's Heidfeld). If GI & Renault are serious about their team they can't afford it.

Wrong.
The driver pairing was the one and only best thing about BMW.

Why not? Maybe they decided to concentrate fully on Kubica as their leader. If everything is set up and built for him, both he and the team will benefit from that. Happy Kubica, well fitted to the good (hopefully) car means more points. I think that it is better for the team to have one big points scorer, then 2 small points scorers.

How about two big points scorers?

I doubt if it's possible for renault this year, unless they get Heidfeld.

If they don't get Nick it will be officialy the biggest dissapointment in the Silly Season 2010, sorry, second biggest dissapointment right after Kimis retire.

I was just wondering if that guy on the forum who dabbles with photoshop and made those excellent Toro Rosso liveries could whack a McDonalds livery onto a Renault. I think the colours would work well, the yellow of Renault, the red of Total, and the mix of both in the big M.

McDonalds has spread into emerging markets in the past few years, including India, and they've been highly successful in ChampCar/Indy, which is American-based; like they need more coverage there, eh? If they were to sponsor F1, they could get a bargain deal with Renault, who are proven winners and have a top-class driver, but with a chequered past.

With GPs in South Korea, India and South-East Asia, massive opportunities are open. They could also be big in Bahrain/Abu Dhabi too, with Halal menus.

Anyway, it's just an idea.

That would certainly fix the reputation of the Renault being an F1 car in a clown suit.

+1

You do understand that they can forget about good WCC result with this approach? Nowadays grid is usually seperated by 1.5s, 0.5s deficit is already very big and you can't really expect anything more from all the drivers Renault is taking into consideration, apart from Heidfeld of course. An example:

- 0.5s is equal to 5-6 positions in qualy
- Kubica get pole
- the other driver will get only P6 or P7

And that's how it is if Renault is front running car.



Well, mine biggest disappointment is that Robert haven't found a seat in one of well established teams with proven cars with new regulations. History shows that teams which started on right foot are almost always consistent top runners until next radical rules change. It's very rare that a team which design was a complete flop in first year after such a big reg changes makes up the ground, very rare.

Being driver 2 has never bothered Heidfeld.
2005, Webber is paid $5mil and Heidfeld $1mil.
Webber obviously No.1 and Nick just sat there, and got more points.

Robert and Nick get along well and there is huge respect, no matter what the pay difference may be.
Nick knows he may be paid less at this point, due to the chance he took with Mac and MBGP, not due to his talent.

I think that the refueling ban is a radical rules change

Refuelling ban, narrower front wheels are radical changes. Maybe they sound less radical than last years but these changes force other changes. For example narrower front wheels will make more space for aero package in front section. Bigger fuel tanks will force engineers to rebuild whole car .

Still aero will stay quite the same (confirmed by Ross Brawn, who said solutions from this year will carry on next season), and there's no question it's safer bet to be Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren or Ferrari driver ahead of 2010. Merc & RB are proven, McLaren even with worst aero on the grid were front runners on every street circuit (which is about 1/3 of the season) and showed they can overcome every difficulty, Ferrari were quite handy until they stopped development and history is behind them. Renault struggles with money, engineers, and second driver - can't expect much from them. It's not pessimistic, it's realistic.

Well i guess im just hanging on by a thread and hoping like hell they mean jv when they say experienced drivers help get points. So that is to do with renault 2010.
I don't believe half the rumours, just the ones i want to believe ;)

Some time ago confidential-renault asked its readers about their visions of R30. Today they presented art works: http://www.confidential-renault.fr/Jeu-Con...-mes-reves-i419

here is top3 from suvery:

#1 - Bell des champs - 22%

#2 - Guillaume - 15%:

#3 - Moska - 13%:


I prefer Moska's livery

I really like Guillaume's.

I'm torn between those of Bell des champs and Moska.

Of those with the Total red I think I like Yves' best.

Great liveries. Someone pls send these to Endstone or wherever the responsibles for Renault's livery have their offices.

I don't know if it was posted, but anyway one of these would be awesome:

I suspect that if Petrov comes on-board with Gazprom as amajor or title sponsor, we could get something like the old Mild Seven livery since Renault's colour is yellow and Gazprom's is light blue.

Yeah, being one of the loudest critics of their recent liveries on here I'm quite excited to see the new one.. but also quite worried as it's been proven they are capable of screwing things up in spectacular fashion.

From the two pictures above the bottom one is a total mess. I really like the black/yellow anniversary one.

The winner 'Bell des champs' is absolutely perfect . Just needs to say Prost on the side. Gorgeous interpretation of Renault's classic livery.

If Petrov brings 15m €, then Nick can already go home... I mean DTM or whatever

Yes, wouldnt it be awesome to have a pay driver in a top team... NOT.
Petrov should learn the ropes at Campos, if hes good enough he may find himself in a top team later.

Im hoping for Jacques too Tom. Would be really good for Renault.

PS- the "Bell des champs" livery is awesome!

He's got twenty million. Five million more reasons for Renault to take him.


Renault haven't been a top team since 2006.


How is Villeneuve better than Petrov? Petrov has actually been racing in competitive open-wheel series for the past three years. What's JV been doing?

Im expressing my opinion Captain Hotpants..
I dont want to argue with you. My opinion.. if you dont like please ignore my posts. Thank you.

If you don't like debate, why are you on an internet forum? I asked you why you think Villeneuve is a better choice than Petrov despite Petrov remaining active for the past three years and actually being eligible for a superlicence. You can't just expect people to read your posts and agree with them, especially when they are somewhat inspiring of debate, like the notion that Villeneuve still has what it takes to make it in Formula 1.

I don't quite understand, what's wrong with Vitaly Petrov. He's a GP2 runner-up, so he clearly isn't undeserving. (Though one point out he has spent 3½ years in GP2, and that guys like Lucas Di Grassi did much more in similar time; but on the other hand, Petrov has shown huge improvement.) Renault is more of a midfielder than a frontrunner nowadays, and if you [Tract1on] think he should start at Campos (e.g.), guess where Heikki Johannes Kovalainen and Nelson Ângelo Piquet - two GP2 runners-up - kicked off their F1 careers?

If a driver is credible, money doesn't remove any credibility. Santander bought Kimi out, but that doesn't make Fernando any less a double champion. Of course a rookie is a risk (but so is a rusty veteran, and even more so), and Heidfeld must be a better candidate - but that doesn't mean Petrov would be a mistake. Can Nick earn Renault, say, 20M by scoring that many points more than Petrov would?

To most people, the problem with Petrov is Nick Heidfeld. If Petrov gets the seat, it means Heidfeld probably won't be racing in 2010. Toro Rosso want Alguersuari, Campos are going to need a pay driver like Maldonado and Peter Windsor doesn't like Heidfeld. Renault represents Heidfeld's best chance at staying in the sport, and I'd say Petrov is standing in the way of that because I find it significant that they've admitted Kubica could start testing alone whereas they had previously wanted to announce their second driver at the launch ... and I find it significant because they did it less than twenty-four hours after Petrov confirmed he was talking with them.

And there's the stigma associated with pay drivers. However, I think that the sequence of very compeititve series that they have to fight through in order to get to Formula 1 means they're not untalented.