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korzeniow
QUOTE (RF1 fan @ Mar 28 2010, 09:29) *
It's not about podium but 5th constructor place this year.


It's all about podiums and 4th place in constructor championships. Boullier said it many times.
bigmikel
QUOTE (stonebutter @ Mar 28 2010, 09:30) *
I'm really beginning to question how fast the Mercedes GP car is. Everybody keeps talking about the top 4 teams. Its more like the top 3 (ferrari, maclaren and red bull) and everybody else. I don't think the mercedes is out of the renault's league.

I think that Renault is #4 at the moment. Mercedes GP are not good at all. People were sure that Ross can't make it wrong after last season. But I think he is not there.

I hope Renault will add some development and match the RB's pace soon.
RF1 fan
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Mar 28 2010, 09:31) *
It's all about podiums and 4th place in constructor championships. Boullier said it many times.


It's just about PR.

Lukin83
QUOTE (stonebutter @ Mar 28 2010, 09:30) *
I'm really beginning to question how fast the Mercedes GP car is. Everybody keeps talking about the top 4 teams. Its more like the top 3 (ferrari, maclaren and red bull) and everybody else. I don't think the mercedes is out of the renault's league.


Rosberg was quite fast at the beginning, he was clearly faster than Kubica. And later in the race he was the fastest man on a track for a while. I wouldn't mark them down just yet.
korzeniow
QUOTE (RF1 fan @ Mar 28 2010, 09:43) *
It's just about PR.


No, it isn't. Their aims are definately realistic.

But you have right to your own opinion.
eREr
QUOTE (Lukin83 @ Mar 28 2010, 10:46) *
Rosberg was quite fast at the beginning, he was clearly faster than Kubica. And later in the race he was the fastest man on a track for a while. I wouldn't mark them down just yet.

Mercedes GP is a bit faster during qualification (with some tenths), but not faster during the race. Don't forget Rosberg used 2 sets of soft tyres, that's why he had faster laps. I think the R30 at least just as quick as MGP or not faster a bit during the race. R30's quali speed must be improved, race speed is #4 (behind RBR, Ferrari and Mac).
barteks
QUOTE (stonebutter @ Mar 28 2010, 08:40) *
AMAZING Drive for Kubica. Didn't put a single foot wrong the entire race and did a great job holding off much faster cars. Stayed cool under pressure for pretty much the whole race.

+1

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barteks
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Mar 28 2010, 08:58) *
Has any one race start recorded? Because I oversleep cry.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rs...ian_Grand_Prix/
korzeniow
QUOTE (barteks @ Mar 28 2010, 10:36) *


Unfortunately it isn't available in Poland. But thanks anyway. smile.gif
Gbain
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I know it’s a bit late but I want to join in a HIP HIP HURRAY. Kubica was The Man in Melbourne today, best driver. I hope this drive will shut the mouths of “Kubica is overrated” grumblers. Fastest was Hamilton (shame for him) but not the best, and Button had best race-engineer. And Petrov’s start, wow! He only need more practice and he’ll start to deliver too.

Oh yes, and HURRAY for the mechanics, they were FAST. clap.gif stoned.gif
MadYarpen
Great race, KUB man of the race easily clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif

And by the way;)

for the thread
Hezz
I oversleep too evil.gif
Fu** me I'm a pessimistic fool.
This is great achievement. They worked hard for this.
RF1 team is my team kiss.gif
Have to watch this now
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barteks
QUOTE
Robert Kubica, P2
Fastest lap: 1:29.570
Pitstops: one, lap 8, 24.188s (Intermediate / option)

Robert: “Second place today is a fantastic result for the team after all the hard work we have done over the winter. It was a difficult race to call in terms of strategy and I pitted to change my intermediates for slicks as soon as we saw Button’s pace. I managed to jump Massa in the pits and I came out ahead of Button, but it was my first lap on slicks so I could not hold him off. I thought I would pit again later in the race, but the team said we didn’t need to if I could look after the tyres until the end of the race. I tried to take care of them as much as I could, which wasn’t easy because I had Hamilton behind me and then Massa, but in the end my tyres lasted and we managed to get this great result. We have put in so much hard work this winter, and we know there is still a long way to go before we are really competitive with the fastest teams, but this is a brilliant boost for everybody in the team."

Vitaly Petrov, retired lap 10
Fastest lap: 1:43.132
Pitstops: one, lap 8, 28.963s (Intermediate / prime)

Vitaly: “I made a good start to gain eight places and enjoyed the first few laps in the wet when I was inside the top ten. We made a change to slick tyres at the same time as most of the field, but when I was on the slicks I got caught out in the braking zone for turn three and got stuck in the gravel. I’m very disappointed because I think I could have scored points today. Still, this is a great day for the team and Robert’s second place shows the potential of the car.”

Eric Boullier, Team Principal
“The second place today is a fantastic result for Robert and the whole team in Enstone and Viry. We worked really hard over the winter and we can be very proud of this result. Although we still need to improve the car, this podium gives us all a lot of motivation to keep pushing. Robert drove a perfect race, looking after the car and fighting hard. I also have to say a big well done to the mechanics, who did an excellent job to get Robert out ahead of Massa in the pits, which was crucial for the final outcome of the race. It was a disappointing end to the race for Vitaly, but he is still learning about F1. His start was very strong, and with his strategy he could have been challenging for points.”

Alan Permane, Chief Race Engineer
“Robert drove a brilliant race today. He made a good start on the intermediate tyres and I think we stopped to fit slicks at pretty much the ideal time. After that he drove and excellent race and managed his tyres perfectly to bring the car home in second place. Unfortunately Vitaly’s race ended early as he got caught out in the damp conditions, but he has another weekend under his belt and will look to bounce back in Malaysia next weekend, where we will have some more new aero updates on the car.”

Rémi Taffin, Head of Engine Operations
“Today’s result is excellent and we must dedicate it to the mechanics who have worked so hard over the last few weeks, and, of course, to Robert Kubica who delivered an exceptional performance. Without him we would not have been able to get this result. We’re not yet at the level of the leading teams, but we will continue working hard to get there.”
Metal
An ASTONISHING drive from Robercik, also great job by the mechanics, a record pit stop, without that he would have finished third.

Very good news that next week Renault is brining new aereo parts, thats an incredible development pace, as usually the updates are being brought every 2 races, once a month. Also thank God theyre not making BMWs last years mistake, when updates were brought in packages every 4 races or so. I smell a win at the end of the year cuz his pace wasnt bad on old tyres(so you cant compare that to Hamiltons, Webbers or Rosbergs late pace), its probably the 4th car on race pace along Mercedes.
Gemini
We are far, far beind McLaren, RedBull and Ferrari in terms of pace. Closer to Mercedes. Let's not get carried away but today's result in terms of where the car stands.

But let's cheer it now. Kubica drove amazing race. Especially defending against Hamilton who was on fire today. Great start. He benefited early on first corner incident and got another position by great pitwork from Renault team. Later on he did not make any single mistake. He simply put the car where it does not belong to. One of this races where driver makes a huge difference.

Grats to team for pitwork and for decision not to do 2nd pitstop.

Bad luck for Vitaly. But he will learn from it. He did so in GP2, he can do it in F1.

Hope this can help both in searching sponsors and to keep crew motivated. There is nothing like believe that you have the driver to benefit from the late hours you are putting in the factory.

Big congrats, Robert and Renault!
MadYarpen
QUOTE (Gemini @ Mar 28 2010, 11:54) *
Grats to team for pitwork and for decision not to do 2nd pitstop.


yeah, when I saw hamilton's times after he changed his tyres, i was like "why the f*ck aren't they calling him in!???!" but it appears they're smarter:)
Gemini
Did you guys noticed this thread just broke into page number 100?! What a better way to open it than with podium. Let's hope the other one will come quicker than in another hundred :-)
Gbain
QUOTE (Gemini @ Mar 28 2010, 11:34) *
Did you guys noticed this thread just broke into page number 100?! What a better way to open it than with podium. Let's hope the other one will come quicker than in another hundred :-)


If you want some superstition: what about driver nr 11 finishes 1st on page 111. biggrin.gif
nldx
Awesome race, I just love the chaotic first lap of a wet race smile.gif Great drive from Kubica, managed the tyres really good considering the pressure from the macs and ferrari's.

Did someone else also recall that the renaults are the hardest to follow/overtake due to dirty air? I think I've read this somewhere in the last few weeks but I can't recall so I've got no source. Well, we've got proof of it since today smile.gif But that was ofcourse also Robert his great driving that held the other cars behind.
Metal
shonguiz
Ultra solid performance from Robert, Vitaly could really grow into a very descent driver.
iotar
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 11:51) *
An ASTONISHING drive from Robercik, also great job by the mechanics, a record pit stop, without that he would have finished third.

Very good news that next week Renault is brining new aereo parts, thats an incredible development pace, as usually the updates are being brought every 2 races, once a month. Also thank God theyre not making BMWs last years mistake, when updates were brought in packages every 4 races or so. I smell a win at the end of the year cuz his pace wasnt bad on old tyres(so you cant compare that to Hamiltons, Webbers or Rosbergs late pace), its probably the 4th car on race pace along Mercedes.


Surely, you jest. Here's some facts:
- 1,453 this is the difference from the win (over 1 lap!)
- 0,488 this is the gap to Merc

That's a lot in F1.


iotar
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 13:13) *


magisenna
QUOTE (Gbain @ Mar 28 2010, 10:40) *
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Button had best race-engineer.


Did you actually watch the race, the forum or any interviews? Button's win had squat all to do with his engineer. ( at least anymore than is usual )

Great stuff from Kubica though. Pleased for him.
Gbain
QUOTE (magisenna @ Mar 28 2010, 13:59) *
Did you actually watch the race, the forum or any interviews? Button's win had squat all to do with his engineer. ( at least anymore than is usual )

Great stuff from Kubica though. Pleased for him.


My fault, I only read it later that it was his choice. blush.gif
Metal
Iotar where did you get those very accurate gaps? Theres no way to count it that well how far behind we are and we are not 0.5 sec behind the Mercs, cmon. We're behind at least 3 teams, but there is something called development, remember Mclaren last year?? Im not saying we will have that kind of a boost, but anything can happen, like Renault in 2008 when at the end it was the 3rd fastest car from 6th spot. The fact that we are bringin new parts for every race, even when there is only a week between them is exeptional and Renault promised a very aggressive development for the whole season, some are saying that in Spain Total will bring new fuel and lubrificant, plus a big aereo package from the team which could give us a 0.5 sec.
Others will develop as well, of course, but if we could get to be the 3rd fastest team(and its not that far away), then in a crazy race we could win like BMW, Toro Rosso and Renault in 2008, like Ferrari last year, like Honda in 2006. We just need to be right behind the leaders to wait for their mistakes.
ForMules
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/201...op_summary.html

Kubiça pit stop was the fastest!

korzeniow
QUOTE (ForMules @ Mar 28 2010, 15:48) *


Webber's
ForMules
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Mar 28 2010, 13:51) *
Webber's



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CaptainJackSparrow
Two more for prosperity:




http://my.renaultf1.com/profiles/blogs/cel...ing-but-already
Lord_Shaitan
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 15:38) *
some are saying that in Spain Total will bring new fuel and lubrificant, plus a big aereo package from the team which could give us a 0.5 sec.

If I remember corectly, this 0,5s gain will be from small packages prepared for each GP till Spain. There won't be any big aero package. Or am I mistaken??
korzeniow
Kubica's recorded top speed in race was 298.5 km/h while Lewis' top speed was 310.5 !

So Kubica really did extraordinary job defending from Hamilton. up.gif
korzeniow
QUOTE (Lord_Shaitan @ Mar 28 2010, 15:59) *
If I remember corectly, this 0,5s gain will be from small packages prepared for each GP till Spain. There won't be any big aero package. Or am I mistaken??


You remember corectly
eREr
It seems the car is too gentle with the tyres which results heating up related problems. That was the main cause of the weak performances on Saturday:

"- Do you think the higher temperature today were better for you, whereas the low temperature yesterday wasn’t so good?
- We know where we are struggling and I think yesterday was unfortunately a good example. We were very strong in P1 on Friday where there was a lot of sunshine and hot track conditions. Then unfortunately clouds came in for the rest of the weekend, the temperature dropped and we were struggling to get heat in the tyres, especially in qualifying. So we are still not on the pace of the top cars, but today was a good example of not giving up, and with hard work sometimes you get paid back."

I hope Sepang will be hotter than Albert Park smile.gif
korzeniow
QUOTE (eREr @ Mar 28 2010, 16:21) *
I hope Sepang will be hotter than Albert Park smile.gif


Yeah. Forecast for Kuala Lumpur says that rain is possible for whole week, but temperatures will be higher than in Australia smile.gif

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/48647.html?MR=1
iotar
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 14:38) *
Iotar where did you get those very accurate gaps? Theres no way to count it that well how far behind we are and we are not 0.5 sec behind the Mercs, cmon. We're behind at least 3 teams, but there is something called development, remember Mclaren last year?? Im not saying we will have that kind of a boost, but anything can happen, like Renault in 2008 when at the end it was the 3rd fastest car from 6th spot. The fact that we are bringin new parts for every race, even when there is only a week between them is exeptional and Renault promised a very aggressive development for the whole season, some are saying that in Spain Total will bring new fuel and lubrificant, plus a big aereo package from the team which could give us a 0.5 sec.
Others will develop as well, of course, but if we could get to be the 3rd fastest team(and its not that far away), then in a crazy race we could win like BMW, Toro Rosso and Renault in 2008, like Ferrari last year, like Honda in 2006. We just need to be right behind the leaders to wait for their mistakes.


Qualifying results (Vettel, Rosberg).
Numbers usually don't lie and these are huge differences (1,5s, 0,5s). My point is that a the moment Renault is closer to Williams and Force India than to Merc/McLaren. To regularly challenge/beat Mercedes (for example), you must qualify better and at the moment it's highly unlikely.
Admittedly Renault has some strong points: decent race pace (perhaps related to fuel consumption), solid starts (lighter car maybe, especially compared to midfield teams, it certainly helped Petrov), some sensible development and a top driver.
Maybe it's half-empty glass attitude but I am afraid it won't be enough. Especially on typical aero tracks. Let's put it this way: Bahrain and Melbourne are like Jerez and Valencia - rest of the season might be Barcelona.
I will keep repeating it (from an armchair expert perspective smile.gif) but it's all about getting new aero rules right and in that respect Renault is still behind.
In order to challenge top 4 teams they had to either completely redesign aero (didn't happen) or to come with some clever ideas/innovations/bending of the rules like snorkel, adjustable ride height to somehow close the gap. We all know that other teams did just that - better teams - Mclaren/Ferrari/Red Bull.
About development pace - everyone will improve - McLaren already is closer to Ferrari, same for Mercedes and even Williams.


Lukin83
QUOTE (Lord_Shaitan @ Mar 28 2010, 15:59) *
If I remember corectly, this 0,5s gain will be from small packages prepared for each GP till Spain. There won't be any big aero package. Or am I mistaken??


0.5 seconds in Barcelona? That's not much. I think I read it here that Renault plans to be 0,5 sec faster till Spain + there will be a Barcelona package worth about a second. Certainly such jump is needed to bring the car anywhere closer to the top. Half a second would be about keeping status quo, or even getting worse (remember Renault's form in Barca in the winter tests?). To put this number into some perspective: Ferrari gains 0,2-0,3 sec only by adjusting ride height in the pits.
Possibly the Spanish upgrade won't be a "big aero package", but will improve the car in other areas. Then everyone here would be right ;)
Lukin83
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Mar 28 2010, 13:13) *
yeah, when I saw hamilton's times after he changed his tyres, i was like "why the f*ck aren't they calling him in!???!" but it appears they're smarter:)


I've looked at the Live Timing and I was like "Polsat hysterical commentators, shut the f*ck up already, Kubica doesn't need to stop - his tyres are fine" smile.gif
korzeniow
QUOTE (iotar @ Mar 28 2010, 16:36) *
Qualifying results (Vettel, Rosberg).
Numbers usually don't lie and these are huge differences (1,5s, 0,5s). My point is that a the moment Renault is closer to Williams and Force India than to Merc/McLaren. To regularly challenge/beat Mercedes (for example), you must qualify better and at the moment it's highly unlikely.
Admittedly Renault has some strong points: decent race pace (perhaps related to fuel consumption), solid starts (lighter car maybe, especially compared to midfield teams, it certainly helped Petrov), some sensible development and a top driver.
Maybe it's half-empty glass attitude but I am afraid it won't be enough. Especially on typical aero tracks. Let's put it this way: Bahrain and Melbourne are like Jerez and Valencia - rest of the season might be Barcelona.
I will keep repeating it (from an armchair expert perspective smile.gif) but it's all about getting new aero rules right and in that respect Renault is still behind.
In order to challenge top 4 teams they had to either completely redesign aero (didn't happen) or to come with some clever ideas/innovations/bending of the rules like snorkel, adjustable ride height to somehow close the gap. We all know that other teams did just that - better teams - Mclaren/Ferrari/Red Bull.
About development pace - everyone will improve - McLaren already is closer to Ferrari, same for Mercedes and even Williams.



But Australian qualifying doesn't say the whole truth.

The biggest Renault's problem was temperature. Fraiday was hot and they were on pace, made their setups. But Saturday was cold and it seems that they are slower in cold conditions.


As for innovations. Ferrari don't have both F-Duct and adjustable height and they are quick. Your theory is refute. It's obviously whole package that counts, not single innovation.
MadYarpen
3:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlbDCq7ZtM eek.gif eek.gif
BugTomek
QUOTE (korzeniow @ Mar 28 2010, 17:04) *
As for innovations. Ferrari don't have both F-Duct and adjustable height and they are quick. Your theory is refute. It's obviously whole package that counts, not single innovation.
Ferrrari is believed to have an adjustable height, but unlike RB they can only do it manually during the pitstops.
HMV
QUOTE (MadYarpen @ Mar 28 2010, 15:24) *


Yeah, closing the door on Lewis like that is hawt.

Dangerous, but hawt.
CaptainJackSparrow
From the Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/australian-...00328-r569.html
"There was no need to explain what Maria Nowakowska was doing there. The girlfriend of Renault driver Robert Kubica, Miss Poland was urging him on with all her might and height - 182 centimetres in bare feet, she was standing, she estimated, about 194 in her heels. ''He must win,'' she said in her emphatic English."

Miss Poland Maria Nowakowska smiles at the track as she arrives to support Renault driver Robert Kubica of Poland at Formula One's Australian Grand Prix in Melboune on March 28, 2010. Kubica went on the finish in second place in the race.


Kubica gf?

*edit* maybe not his gf, but still pretty;)
MadYarpen
i loooooooove polish women love.gif
barteks
What? This is not his girlfriend! rolleyes.gif
patgaw
QUOTE (Muppetmad @ Mar 28 2010, 10:11) *
Superb race from Robert. Absolutely superb. Reminiscent of Fuji 2007, I reckon - capitalising on an inevitable first corner incident,


2008 smile.gif


QUOTE (Muppetmad @ Mar 28 2010, 10:11) *
Am I the only one who thinks it's funny that Robert is ahead of SV, MW and MS in the points standings despite being in an undoubtedly slower car?


For me it is a bit sad, that better driver has worse car. But I hope some day Renault will be there.
korzeniow
QUOTE (barteks @ Mar 28 2010, 18:25) *
What? This is not his girlfriend! rolleyes.gif


Yeah, eurosport says that Maria Nowakowska was invited to the cocktail party by governor of Victoria State. Just like others Miss Polonias before.
CaptainJackSparrow
The Red Bulls may be fast, but as the saying goes 'to finish first, first you have to finish'.

But they are quick, no denying that. I wouldn't mind me a bit of that!
GrzegorzChyla
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 14:13) *

this one fits better:
Lord_Shaitan
QUOTE (Metal @ Mar 28 2010, 14:13) *

Robert has clearly revived in Renault up.gif . Good for him smile.gif
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