ohh shut - my bad - im not into this Twitter thing really

If this isn't the R29 and has such schort wheelbase - it will give them a big advantage at slow tracks with many corners.

Long wheelbase reduces turning ability.

comparison from front


aligned by rear axle

Ahh yes, Lopez who was making sure that everyone knew that Paytrov wasn't portrayed as a pay driver. Obviously, we can take him at face value.

So, who was offering twice as much when it has been known that Paytrov had more cash than anyone else? Ho Pin? Heidfeld? Seriously, what a load of old tosh.

Lopez was protesting too much. Paytrov was hired for his cash. It is up to Renault to pretend otherwise, but everyone knows the truth.

Who would score more points? Nick Heidfeld, or Paytrov? Who has beaten the lead driver 2.5 out of 3.5 times? Who would need to get paid, and who would pay the team over 10 million squid?

Paytrov is paying Kubica's wage. What a sad end to the world championship team

If Richards was succesfull, Paytrov would be nowhere near the team.

Aston Martin F1 would exist, and they would hire drivers, rather than take on pay drivers ala USF1.

Instead, we have a venture capital company raping a former championship winning team. Sad

So that's how they've done it. It's difficult to see because the front end of the sidepod is painted black and looks like the floor of the car, but the sidepod is actually much further forward than it was last year. They've managed to seat their driver further back and shorten the monocoque, which is funny because neither Kubica or Petrov are tiny blokes.



Given that Renault were caught out in the Singapore investigation and McLaren raised the ire of the stewards in Melbourne, Renaut have a lot of incentive to be 100% honest. It's pretty clear that they want to distance themslves from the time of Briatore.


I've since double-checked, and it seems to rumours of Petrov's bank balance come from Bild, hardly the most reliable source on the planet. Honestly, you should be applauding the fact that Petrov admits he is a pay driver, instead of trying to hide it and preteding he doesn't have anything. Russians are like that: they're up-front about these things. At least, all the Russians that I know are like that.

Once again, I have to ask you: why are you gettng stuck into Petrov for being a pay driver? It's clear your issue is with pay drivers in general, but you are singling him out when there's probably only a handful of drivers who are actually earning anything for their efforts - and a good number of them, like Schuamcher, had to pay to begin with.


Lopez made one comment. If that's "protesting too much", I'd hate to see your defintion of "just enough" is.


There are no guarantees in Formula 1. You know that. To say that Nick Heidfeld would be a dead cert for it would be moronic. For all you know, Renault dismissed the idea of Heidfeld before they even considered Petrov because they didn't want to partner Kubica with him again. And you're right in saying that Heidfeld would need to be paid - Renault could have dsmissed him because they felt he was too expensive.

And here's the kicker: it's Renault who know what is best for Renault, not you. That's why Renault are the ones makeing the decisions.


Rubbish - Kubica was signed months ago, and doubtless his salary was already a part of their budget. And even if Petrov was paying for him, I'd say the sadder end a World Championship team would be the way their team principal bullied a driver into deliberately crashing so that his team-mate could win a race in the single worst case of match-fixing in history.

f1.pl website asked James Allison if they plan to introduce some serious modifications before the first race: Yes, plenty of them - he said. "But we won't be alone. We will introduce a new floor, front and rear wings, plus some new parts of the chassis and brake ducts. Almost everything that you can see here will be different".

Allison also reffered to the diffuser: "It doesn't matter (that it was hidden), because it will be totally different, so you didn't loose to much" - he joked.


EDIT:
@JarnoA: Woulda, coulda, shoulda... Petrov IS a Renault driver, not NH. Deal with it and please don't whine here anymore...

They got Petrovs money. Now they can start to build the real R30.

The livery looks cool. Finally they represent the brand's colors on their frigging car again.

Wishing Renault good luck for 2010. Hopefully the French V8 has a genuine fuel mileage advantage. *fingers crossed*

One of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen in my life. Jaguar 2004 was awful. McLaren 2007 was great. But this Renault is just... the best on livery. As Lotus with John Player Special or Prost in blue.

Fantastic livery.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2640/heidfeld.jpg

Robert - watch your back!!!

No that's Ringo Starr. I spy Willy Rampf eyeing Kubica.

If he's givng anbody a death-stare, it's Vitaly Petrov.

Photo of the REAL R30 taken from inside the garage at valencia:

TOP SECRET

What a crazy thread. Almost twelve hours and a night later,I still have no idea how much of the car that was launched yesterday is new and how much was off the R29!

Renault copied Brawn and now also have the steering arm mounted low with the front leg of the lower wishbone. Wing mirrors Brawnesque as well:
http://www.forzaphoto.co.uk/images/2010013...17__POR0095.jpg

Cool! They should crush the rivals!

http://twitpic.com/10u22s

29,5 or 30 ?

That car has the massive triangle mirrors from the R29, it didn't yesterday.

Stop trying to confuse us Renault!

Anyway, their livery looks great.

Its the car from yesterday! What a disappointment...

29.75?

So, is R30 really so much shorter than other cars?

We're not sure. There seems to be some contention as to whether this is an R30 or simply an R29 ith 2010-spec parts added on. If they've somehow managed to make a car with a significantly-shorter wheelbase than the other cars, it should be an advantage at places like Monaco and Singapore and maybe Korea.

another pic

http://twitpic.com/10u3j4

Interesting that the V-channel is just a pair of bumps and not strips that run back to the cockpit ...

Renault: steering placed inline with lower wishbone, supersonic front brake ducts

http://twitpic.com/10u4l2

These bumps aren't aero devices at all. They are on top of the nose only to meet the minimum height requirements. Look at the bottom of the nose, there is a cut for the steering rack.

At least it's longer than Sauber by 110 mm IIRC.

New front wing!!! Yay!!!

It has 3 layers on the lower side and a looong one layer upper side, at least something new.

New wings:
Renault R30.0
car looks well on track

rear wing looks great:)

more photos of r30: http://confidential-renault.fr/Des-modific...ult-F1-R30-i455

I like. Now all it needs is to lose the bumblebee design on the sharkfin and get some sponsors in there.

diffusor:
http://twitpic.com/10u74q/full

I give u the R30s diffuser!

This diffuser is HUGE!

Great Livery! It´s good that Renault is fully using their Huge Motorsport-success with this car. Hopefully the car is fast too!

do we know how R30 looks?

It's on track today, so yes, we know. We also know that there will be a lot of changes before first GP.

More than a year ago they said they'll introduce the W rear wing. Finally we see it .

this clearly isnt a car from yesterdays presentation

note the bulbs on teh nose

they were there

For today they changed the front and rear wings.

I think the R30 is looking very neat. It's not as radical-looking as the McLaren MP4-25, but it's not conservative like the Ferrari F10 or the Toro Rosso STR5. If anything, it's like the Williams FW32: I think it's a natural progression of the 2009 cars. Sort of a missing link between last season and cars like the MP4-25. It probably won't be the fastest car out there, but I do hope it can regularly score points.

That's a hell of a development rate!

The car looks hawt! It just looks badass. I'm lovin it!