Gravity should bring little sponsor.The car will race with historical colours.
We will see they won't fight for the title but it should be a lot better than last year anyway because:

-the engine is fuel efficient
-they work exclusively on R30 since may 2009

They ought to be great.... I mean the "Great Alonso" himself developed the new car!!

I just wanted to write: Since were they worked exclusively on R29 and what came out?
But on the R29 they made two blind shots (KERS, assuming illegal DD),I rather don't believe that someone can make such mistakes two times in a row ;)

I thought that development of R29 to the end of the season was obvious. Reno was aiming in some good resaults (read wins) to keep ALO as a driver.

Never say never. People were saying the same thing about Honda/Brawn.
And true, it's not the same situation but F1 is a scientific sport to some extent. You research and learn from some of the mistakes and they will surely have found a better direction to work in.

Polish press says that Jerome D'Ambrosio might be Renault second driver pointing out on his contacts with new team boss Eric Boullier.

- DiAmbroso was driving for Boulllier in team DANS.

- D'Ambroso is protege of Gravity (along with Ho-PinTungiem, Adrienem Tambay'em, Christianem Vietoris).

Anniversary colours are always awesome. See: Gretsch

As long as there is not too much black, they will look like Renault and not Jordan

Rumours in Polish web that Renault asked Ralf Schumacher for the 2nd seat

Are you sure it's not a case of Ralf Schumacher asking Renault for the second seat?

My translation:
"One of the F1 journalists said, that Ralf Schumacher got a proposition from Renault, to drive their car in 2010. We don't know yet, if the German driver accepted the offer."
http://sport.onet.pl/0,1248769,2101205,,f1...,wiadomosc.html

I know, I know "one of the F1 journalists" doesn't sound reliable ;)

BTW, the title on the main site was: "Kubica with Schumacher in one team!?", poor Ralph everybody is forgetting to mention his name

But which side of the fence did it come from - Renault, or Ralf?

Because if Ralf is saying "Renault came to me" instead of Renault saying "We went to Ralf", it's looking kind of suspect. Ralf has always been in his older brother's shadow. It's almost a complex of his: Michael does something, so Ralf has to go out and let the world remember that there is a second Schumacher.

I read that Ralf called Renault and offered his services.
There is no way they will hire him.

No way in hell they would hire Ralf.

Alonso said:
"Renault stoped the devellopement earlier and i understand this decision"
"We came at the last race with the same car from june"

http://www.autohebdo.fr/f1/f1/article-25-2...nalyse-d-alonso

sorry, my bad, I thought of R29 but I meant R2008 (in 2008)

korzeniow, Polish press is not the source, they translate it in most cases from English/French/German websites


The same here...

And please do not quote/translate any articles from onet. It's one of the most unreliable, tabloid website and it's really not worth reading their BS articles

ay men, I said that it's unreliable but - it's silly season, and it's this part of silly season, where almost everything is clear, but still a bunch of time to the first tests, if not some BS and unreliable news, then about what can we talk right now on this forum?

Poor Ralf, this is so sad.

Yeah, I perfectly knew how Polish F1 websites works, but that's how the whole world does.

For example: German newspaper writed sth about Schumacher on its website, then English journalists copy, translate and publish this on theri own website, next thing we can notice is that whole world is copying and publishin this news (including Poland).

I agree that Polish F1 media are very weak, they rely in 95% on translations from English/German websites, but once for a while they have their own materials.



I always added source in my posts, but last time I took info from website which don't name their sources and I couldn't find it on French website.

Renault's engines even more economical in 2010

Oh, good news..at last. Hope that people in Renault working very hard. Any news about aerodynamic development? Caubet two months ago says that R30 was almost finished at the end of september.

yeah, good news indeed. I am quite optimistic about R30. Team shiftet focus on it quite early, and if the y manage to improve their engine in if guys at aero department fixed aerodynamics, than we might see a surprise or two. I am sure beating Williams and finishing at least 5th in WCC in realistic target.

I wonder why everybody picks RB as a 1st tier team, why they should be stronger than Renault? They head one strong season, and their budget I think isn't bigger than the of Renault or I'm wrong?

That's easy question. RBR has the best cars in 2009 and most of teams will desgn their cars with this year RBR's car as role model (for sure Merc will have similar nose to RBR cars, I'm not sure with Reno).

They said that the R30 nose will be based on the RBR's not Brawns because they see more potential in it.
Merc will have similar nose too, the Brawn engineers noticed tolate that a narrower and higher nose is better, and decided to stay by their low and wide nose because changing the nose would cause a totally reconstruction of the whole car.
BTW thank god BrawnGP didn't managed to make the "better" "RBR style" nose, that could mean a total-total domination over the whole season.

But, looking at the budgets, can RBR be not "overtaken" in developing their "role model" by other teams, pushing them again into mid-field? I don't know how they budget big is, so maybe I'm wrong...

In addition to this, front will be lot more complex, but this is not a surprise, because front wing in R29 was quiet simple.

Here is something:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=p..._article%3D1510



@alecc, @Carlo's, seems you had right

That's good question.

One thing is certain, that RBR is one step ahead (others will copy from them).

But will they retain this advantage trough season? In 2009 they started with inferior car, improved it and from perspective of time they had the best car in 2009 season. No one could made better car.

But 2010 season is big question mark, because Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Renault pull out from arms race very early. RBR didn't has real competitor in development, which will change in 2010 ..

I guess we have to wait and see ...

I'm quite hopeful about the future of Renault but one big advantage which Red Bull has is Adrian Newey.

Good point that I omitted.

Ehh.. january will be so boring, silly season almost over, no testings, I will be forced to watch Vancouver, and I hate winter sports ;)

Yes both RBR and Renault are low budget (especially without ING?) - should we list both as second tier teams?

Of course more decks is not better by itself, it is all about extracting air most aggressively from under the floor of the car in whichever means.

Apparently TOTAL will increase money input at Renault so this is very good news. Their cooperation will be strenghten. Besides, TW Steel, Pepe Jeans and MegaFon will also have a sizeable input.

Take a look at this pics. Looks quiet encouraging for Renault. There are a little gaps between manufacturer teams and their clients in each case.

Pics from F1technical.

Good find Carlo...
Did Williams have this information before they picked Cosworth, reported to be much thirstier than any of them, by far?

Renault has historicaly also been good with aero and suspensions.
Your data suggets they can start the race almost 5% lighter than some. That's HUGE.

Very interesting, worth for another thread, thanks.
It's common known that Renault are more economical, but I'm suprised that the gap is so big.

If it would stay similar, and it looks like it will be so, because the engines are freezed, that would mean, Renault would have a very big advantage on the begining of the race, especially at first straight and first corner.
On the other hand, in qualies it means nothing, and in the last part of the race it means nothing either, the difference of the fuel weight won't be such big.

So all is pointing at RBR to be the top car, model aero package, efficient engine, Newey, good drivers, what you want more?

Renault on the other side, if they don't make a decent aero package for qualies, can provide "action" on the first part of the race, when the pace will be much better compared to other teams than in qualies thanks to less fuel on the start.

err I thik they are from f1numbers.wordpress.com

there are also other interesting pictures like those two:

So, 2.5 laps per stint X 3 stints = 7.5 laps of fuel for the race @ 2.5 Kg/lap = 18.75 Kg less weight at the start.

Is my math approximately right?

18 kg, so we could calculate how much 0,x seconds its give on one lap based on the fuel loads in 2009 isn't it?

Have in mind that most important part of the weekend - qualifying - will be executed with almost empty fuel tank. So efficiency gives no advantage there, only power matters.

well..the overall weight of the car should matter at the start.

As I mentioned before, that can cause, that the difference for some teams between qualifying pace and race pace can be much much bigger than in previous seasons, and that can cause some overtaking manouvers on the first part of the race, theroteically.
Additionaly, the difference between the race pace on the begin and the end of race can differ too, because of tyre consumption, so I think... it can be interesting, something like Kubica in Australia when at the last part of the race he was much quicker than others, when on the begining it was the opposite.

I would say it's 2.75 laps per stint X 3 stints = 8.25 laps of fuel for the race @ 2.4 kg/lap = 19.8 kg less weight at the start




yeap we can calcutate it.
-it's almost 20kg
-let's compare it on Istanbul Park as a base:

Renault's website reports that on this track gain from fuel consumption (sec/10kg) is 0.4 => 20kg/10kg = 2 => 2 X 0.4 = almost 0.8 sec on the start of this GP

Oh my bad! This factor shouldn't be from Renaults consumption but from the average

8.25 X 2.48 = 20.46 kg less of fuel

If Alonso would stay, that would make 0.8(20kg less fuel)+0.6(Alonso bonus)=1.4 seconds! that would be a monster package!

You are wrong. Ferrari is working on their engines to reduce its overall fuel consumption. Source:

after having carried out some tweaks to the inlet (intake) pipes (which are, according to the rules invariable in terms of their length) – the engine is already consuming significantly less fuel than it did during the 2009 season. The aim of the modifications is to optimize the engine’s air intake in order to have a better resulting air/fuel mixture.

Renault aslo works on that, as I posted earlier



I would gainsay on that

They had the best car overall in 2009 with good drivers and they lost both titles. It seems that their drivers screwed it up...

Vettel screwed it up, he is the most unreliable driver from the top ones.

But to be back on topic, I have a feeling that the R30 will be something like BMW F1.08, a little bit behind top teams (no idea if the "top teams tier" will be with 4,3 or 2 teams) with chances for a podium if somebody in the front will screw something up, but this is a very-very optimistic option.

Would that be a TEAM modification or a Engine manufacturer mod? eg: its something Merc and Ferrari can alter, or does every team change their own intake pipes?

The Vancouver Olympics start February 12

I noticed, that the fuel consumption of McLaren, Brawn and Force India or Red Bull and Renault differs...why is that so, when they used the same engine...???

Is that KERS...???

If so, we may not compare McLaren, Ferrari and Renault but Brawn, Toro Rosso and Red Bull...