The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board > Alonso and Massa Scorecard (Merged)

Yorkie

Mar 13 2010, 16:45

QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Mar 13 2010, 16:25)

Really? We're going here already? First Hamilton's dad now massa's. For godsake his son nearly died last year and now he's come back and put in on the front row of the grid. Isn't he entitled to jump for joy? I'm not a ferrari fan but I really want Massa to do well this year.

Yes you have to factor in this is Massa's first GP since his potentially career ending accident

Ultra150

Mar 13 2010, 16:47

Alonso vs. Massa

Massa might be able to eke out an extra tenth on a flying lap. Alonso is a far superior racer and should easily outscore his teammate.

My 2 ¢. Yours free of charge.

Anomnader

Mar 13 2010, 16:48

QUOTE (Ultra150 @ Mar 13 2010, 16:47)

Alonso vs. Massa

Massa might be able to eke out an extra tenth on a flying lap. Alonso is a far superior racer and should easily outscore his teammate.

My 2 ¢. Yours free of charge.

I'll take exception to that part.

Yorkie

Mar 13 2010, 16:50

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 16:30)

I think so, just look how all the cars had been slower in q3 than q2 but massa

Seems to be a lot of logic in that, i guess you have to hope that Massa wasnt holding back in Q2 though

wdh

Mar 13 2010, 16:51

QUOTE (VicR @ Mar 13 2010, 16:31)

... I for one enjoyed Alonso's body language during the weighting and PC. His somewhat amazed and rattled look was quite amusing to watch. ...

Well at least I'm not the only one that noticed it.

I'm only remarking on it as a harbinger of things to come.
No schadenfreude here. Really!

Simon Says

Mar 13 2010, 16:53

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 17:30)

I think so, just look how all the cars had been slower in q3 than q2 but massa

Q2 and Q3 have the same fuel loads. Maybe Massa used a hard tyre compound in Q2 or did a mistake?

VicR

Mar 13 2010, 16:53

QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Mar 13 2010, 17:40)

Hear hear, won't be surprised if the Spanish media rags are all over Felipe soon. "Shut up"

And when has that happened in the past when Felipe helped Michael and Kimi as the true team player he is?

yr

Mar 13 2010, 16:54

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 08:27)

alonso was quicker in practice 3, q1, q2 and missed it in q3

alonso did a second attempt in q1 because in his first lap was blocked by glock (I think) in the back straight, but was way faster than massa in s1, and s2.

q2 both drivers had same amount of attempts, and fernando was quicker in both attempts

q3 alonso was faster in his 1st attempt and lost it in his 2nd attempt

don't know where the hell you got your info from to say felipe was always ahead

inaki

Mar 13 2010, 16:55

QUOTE (VicR @ Mar 13 2010, 11:31)

I for one enjoyed Alonso's body language during the weighting and PC. His somewhat amazed and rattled look was quite amusing to watch. This guy is so full of himself. Even though I'm a tifoso first I know I will never get used to him.

Luca brought Pandora's box to Maranello and boxes never stay closed forever. It's just a matter of time...

I have seen the press conference, after reading your post i have replayed it and I think that this Alonso´s rattled look you describe only exists in your delirious mind.

Alonso was perfectly relaxed in Press Conference, I must say. His body language, expresions and answers were completely normal and full of common sense. You jump into conclusions totally bent and absolutely subjective.

otoelpiloto

Mar 13 2010, 16:56

QUOTE (Simon Says @ Mar 13 2010, 16:53)

Q2 and Q3 have the same fuel loads. Maybe Massa used a hard tyre compound in Q2 or did a mistake?

q2 is raw pace...q3 needs of race set-up

dgduris

Mar 13 2010, 16:58

QUOTE (Yorkie @ Mar 13 2010, 21:29)

Does that mean Alonso's car was set up more for a heavier fuel load?

???
No refueling this year. I am sure they are both fueled the same - to get to the end of the race. Unless you are suggesting that Massa will be a lightly-fueled rabbit in the race to set-up an Alonso victory. But that's waay too much intrigue for race 1.

seahawk

Mar 13 2010, 17:01

Alonso looked shell shocked after Q3. I think he never expected to be beaten by Massa. If Massa beats him in the race and in the next 2 races as well, Alonso will explode and Ferrari will face the same problem McLaren faced in 2007. But they deserve no better for firing Kimi to have Alonso.

At least today we learned that Massa is 0,9 seconds faster than Alonso, if we consider the 0,6 seconds Alonso claims for himself.

Feanaro

Mar 13 2010, 17:02

QUOTE (dgduris @ Mar 13 2010, 17:58)

???
No refueling this year. I am sure they are both fueled the same - to get to the end of the race. Unless you are suggesting that Massa will be a lightly-fueled rabbit in the race to set-up an Alonso victory. But that's waay too much intrigue for race 1.

i think what he meant was that alonso might been setting up the car for the race,, where of course the fuel load is heavier

yr

Mar 13 2010, 17:03

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 08:27)

alonso was quicker in practice 3, q1, q2 and missed it in q3

alonso did a second attempt in q1 because in his first lap was blocked by glock (I think) in the back straight, but was way faster than massa in s1, and s2.

q2 both drivers had same amount of attempts, and fernando was quicker in both attempts

q3 alonso was faster in his 1st attempt and lost it in his 2nd attempt

don't know where the hell you got your info from to say felipe was always ahead

I said Felipe was ahead for most of the session - then suddenly towards the end Alonso pulled out a one really fast lap. Like in fp3, even our commentators on tv were saying that "it is propably a bit frustrating for FA that FM is ahead of him"... or something to that effect when session was a bit over halfway. Then suddenly Alonso came and did a lap almost half a second faster than what Felipe had. This made me think that maybe Alonso took fuel out or used softs (I didnt see what tyres they were on ) or something, just to get his name above Felipe. Certainly he wasnt faster in any session before the last 20 minutes or so.

Mastah

Mar 13 2010, 17:04

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 17:56)

q2 is raw pace...q3 needs of race set-up

Wrong!

QUOTE

34.1 Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during qualifying practice until the start of the race. Any car which fails to leave the pit lane during qualifying practice will be deemed to be in parc fermé at the end of Q1.
Between these times, other than when cars are returned to the parc fermé overnight, the following work may be carried out :
- engines may be started ;
- fuel may be added or removed and a fuel breather fitted ;
- wheels and tyres may be removed, changed or rebalanced and tyre pressures checked ;
- spark plugs may be removed in order to carry out an internal engine inspection and cylinder compression checks ;
- permitted heating or cooling devices may be fitted ;
- a jump battery may be connected and on board electrical units may be freely accessed via a physical connection to the car ;
- charging and / or discharging of the KERS energy storage devices ;
- removal of the KERS energy storage devices which, once marked by the FIA technical delegate, may be retained overnight by the team ;
- the main electrical battery and radio batteries may be changed ;
- the brake system may be bled ;
- engine oil may be drained ;
- compressed gases may be drained or added ;
- Ufluids with a specific gravity less than 1.1 may be drained and/or replenished, however, fluids used for replenishment must conform to the same specification as the original fluidU ;
- the aerodynamic set up of the front wing may be adjusted using the existing parts. No parts may be added, removed or replaced ;
- if the FIA technical delegate is satisfied that changes in climatic conditions necessitate alterations to the specification of a car, changes may be made to the air ducts around the front and rear brakes and radiator ducts. These changes may be made at any time after the message “CHANGE IN CLIMATIC CONDITIONS” is shown on the timing monitors, from this point the choice of air ducts around the front and rear brakes and radiator ducts is free, subject always to compliance with the relevant Technical Regulations.
- bodywork (excluding radiators) may be removed and / or cleaned ;
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That's race setup according to you (changing tyre pressures and wing angles)?

Anssi

Mar 13 2010, 17:06

QUOTE (OSX @ Mar 13 2010, 17:58)

That makes sense. You would rather have someone in your team that can't handle being beaten by his teammate than someone who can? Every driver on the grid hates being beaten by his teammate but it's something you really do need to handle if you're driving a F1 car.

Yes.

Kimi has the self-confidence to not get upset if his team-mate beats him. I take it that way when he says he doesn't care who his team-mate is and what they do, like he's said many times. It's self-confidence.

Alonso and Schumacher have this thing in common: their self-confidence is not that great (perhaps a bit surprisingly knowing they are winners) and it will show when their team-mate beats them. Proven over and over again. Both get upset if they have a team-mate that will beat them. Someone with more confidence in themselves don't get upset by that. Also Massa, you could easily read it from his face every time he got beaten by Kimi. It was like he was on an emotional roller-coaster and it could all be read from his face.

I remember from school when my self-confidence was extremely high. I did not care at all what kind of grades my class mates were getting. Some people tried to have a competition with me and when the self-confidence was high it was extremely easy to ignore them. Not so when the self-confidence was down, then I took their words too seriously. I always beat those guys any ways in the exams in those certain areas of study but the difference was how much they could affect me by what they were saying. When I was feeling confident they could talk as much shit as they wanted and it had no effect on me. That's the same thing going on with the F1 drivers, when they are confident, like Kimi, they don't care what the others are saying and doing because they just know they will be all right no matter what. It's a great feeling and I wish I could be like that all the time because then nobody can stop me or disturb me by what they are saying.

The other side in this is that the guy with huge self-confidence, that I see Kimi is, works more alone to find the solutions, because his trust in himself is so great. People like Massa will look more to other people around him to help him. So there is no absolutely right or wrong way, there are more than one way to success, but I think having self-confidence is not hurting.

Just my honest observation, anybody don't feel insulted by this

h_nair47

Mar 13 2010, 17:07

QUOTE (seahawk @ Mar 13 2010, 18:01)

Alonso looked shell shocked after Q3. I think he never expected to be beaten by Massa. If Massa beats him in the race and in the next 2 races as well, Alonso will explode and Ferrari will face the same problem McLaren faced in 2007. But they deserve no better for firing Kimi to have Alonso.

At least today we learned that Massa is 0,9 seconds faster than Alonso, if we consider the 0,6 seconds Alonso claims for himself.

VicR

Mar 13 2010, 17:09

QUOTE (inaki @ Mar 13 2010, 17:55)

I have seen the press conference, after reading your post i have replayed it and I think that this Alonso´s rattled look you describe only exists in your delirious mind.

Alonso was perfectly relaxed in Press Conference, I must say. His body language, expresions and answers were completely normal and full of common sense. You jump into conclusions totally bent and absolutely subjective.

Really? It's just goes to show how differently you can interpret body language. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just stating my opinion.

IMHO, I'm 100% sure Alonso didn't expect Felipe to be up there with him when he signed on. And it has dawned on him these last few weeks.

Seanspeed

Mar 13 2010, 17:21

QUOTE (VicR @ Mar 13 2010, 12:09)

IMHO, I'm 100% sure

If you're saying you are 100% sure about something, its not 'your honest opinion' anymore, is it?

Anyways:

"I am not surprised to find Felipe ahead of me: he is my team-mate and we all know how good he is round this track."

From Alonso himself.

Flash

Mar 13 2010, 17:23

Well done for both of the ferrari boys.
Massa clearly better in this Q3 than Alonso.
Let's wait for the race!

And FYI I want to set the record straight, there are a lot of fanboys from various drivers that are hard to read, bc of all the hatred and meaningless posts that are used in order to attack one another. The ignore button becomes very handy, but sometimes you can't add all of them.
Everyone is entitle to their opinions (when there are real arguments and opinions), but for those that say "That all Alonso Fans" are annoying, let me tell you, I'm an Alonso fan, but firstly I'm a racing fan, so PLEASE do not generalize.

Thank you.

Anomnader

Mar 13 2010, 17:26

QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Mar 13 2010, 17:21)

If you're saying you are 100% sure about something, its not 'your honest opinion' anymore, is it?

Anyways:

"I am not surprised to find Felipe ahead of me: he is my team-mate and we all know how good he is round this track."

From Alonso himself.

Thats a slightly backhanded comment though, it can be taken several ways, eg: well done massa, fastest here, where you good at, but at other tracks you'll be behind.

kosmos

Mar 13 2010, 17:27

QUOTE

Second sector, yes, it was not perfect but it was the maximum I could do. I probably lost a couple of tenths but some others did better. This is Formula One.

QUOTE

On my last run I lost precious time in a couple of corners, losing a couple of tenths, which can happen when you are fighting for pole. I am not surprised to find Felipe ahead of me: he is my team mate and we all know how good he is round this track.

Alonso

coopz

Mar 13 2010, 17:29

QUOTE (wdh @ Mar 13 2010, 17:44)

My point was that Fred's reaction wasn't mere 'unhappiness'.
It certainly wasn't just disappointment.

His reaction was something entirely different.

Surprise was definitely part of it.

He had no reaction other than not smiling and jumping up and down. You are just imaging the types of reactions you hope he was suffering. Its just in your mind though.

QUOTE (wdh @ Mar 13 2010, 17:44)

But do try and watch the drivers interacting at the weigh in after qualifying. Then you might understand.
Only one driver got pole.
But it was the guy that was third that seemed far and away the most 'down' from all nine 'losers'.

Once again just imagining things you want to see. Only 3 cars were capable of pole so its natural Alonso to be unhappy with the final result. Massa seemed to just to be happy to beat Alonso so he was naturally happy despite losing to Vettel. And so what if Alonso was the most unhappiest? It just shows how hungry he is, what is your point of your post???

otoelpiloto

Mar 13 2010, 17:30

on http://www.rtpa.es/portal/site/rtpa/menuit...000bb030a0aRCRD asturian f1 broadcaster claimed alonso's been held up by sutil, and show this video in which something weird is seen at 00:15" in s2. coincidence or not they also claim alonso was visibly satisfied

put all the weekend together I'm sure fernando is quicker than massa and he knows it, is calmed, confident and above all, extremely happy!!!

VicR

Mar 13 2010, 17:39

QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Mar 13 2010, 18:21)

If you're saying you are 100% sure about something, its not 'your honest opinion' anymore, is it?

Anyways:

"I am not surprised to find Felipe ahead of me: he is my team-mate and we all know how good he is round this track."

From Alonso himself.

I'm sure IMHO. What's wrong with that?

BTW Alonso is a two-time winner on this track as well.

Felipe is a counter-clockwise specialist but Alonso has very strong neck muscles so it shouldn't be a factor.

Mastah

Mar 13 2010, 17:40

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 18:30)

put all the weekend together I'm sure fernando is quicker than massa and he knows it, is calmed, confident and above all, extremely happy!!!

Well, if we add together all best sectors, Felipe's ideal lap is 0.021 faster than Fernando's. That is pretty telling how close they were in qualifying.

wdh

Mar 13 2010, 17:45

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 17:30)

on http://www.rtpa.es/portal/site/rtpa/menuit...000bb030a0aRCRD asturian f1 broadcaster claimed alonso's been held up by sutil, and show this video in which something weird is seen at 00:15" in s2. coincidence or not they also claim alonso was visibly satisfied
...

No idea what is claimed to be shown, but its an edited report that jumps around - at 26 sec we see the end of Q2 ...

snx843

Mar 13 2010, 17:46

Alonso looks calm and cool in the press conference, a little moody while listening to massa and vettel but Alonso is an introvert, and uncomfortable in that situation, rather be talking or occupied.

When talking he looked the coolest and most calm and collected I have seen him for ages, since 2006.

I reckon you lot are just old women looking for gossip.

Menace

Mar 13 2010, 17:48

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 08:56)

q2 is raw pace...q3 needs of race set-up

This is going to be an amazing thread!!!

Keep on living in denial 'Nando boys!!! Pretty soon you'll realise Kimi was not doing such a shit job, rather Massa was doing great and showing his speed and race-craft.

Qualifying:

Massa 1
Fernando 0

Next comes the race itself.

I told you Fernando will not "wipe the floor" with Massa, and not show to be head and shoulders above him. Massa has improved over the last few years, and he is no more just fast and inconsistent, rather, he is fast AND consistent. This battle will be very similar to Kimi vs Massa, with who ends up getting the overall better results depending mcuh on small things over the year, as they will both be closely mathced.

Menace

Mar 13 2010, 17:53

QUOTE (MinT @ Mar 13 2010, 08:17)

Good performance from Massa - bit pathectic though his dad jumping for joy, presumably because his son beat Alonso in quali

Why would that be pathetic? He is not allowed to be happy for his son? For beating the incoming double WDC, who was hyped beyond all means as some sort of god who will just show up and bring Ferrari all the glory?

He should be jumping for joy, as his son has proven to be a WDC beater. Any talk about Massa not being WDC caliber is spout out by those who STILL underrate him. I.E., only reason Massa was doing so well was because his benchmark (Kimi) was not motivated or up to speed.

REALITY CHECK!!!

Hopefully Fernando's paycheck is not much higher then Massa's, otherwise Ferrari migth start to look at that payscale justification thingy again a tad more closely.

Arska

Mar 13 2010, 18:08

QUOTE (albertini @ Mar 13 2010, 18:01)

In the interview alonso says that prefers begin the race in the third position that the second position in the grid.

Perhaps the clean side 3rd place is better than 2nd but he wasn't planning for that result in any way, it was just incidental.

wdh

Mar 13 2010, 18:10

QUOTE (snx843 @ Mar 13 2010, 17:46)

Alonso looks calm and cool in the press conference, a little moody while listening to massa and vettel but Alonso is an introvert, and uncomfortable in that situation, rather be talking or occupied.

When talking he looked the coolest and most calm and collected I have seen him for ages, since 2006.

I reckon you lot are just old women looking for gossip.

Sorry, but please can you clarify -- did you see the drivers milling around waiting to be weighed? (Or just the press conference?)

Alonso looked like a losing boxer who hadn't seen the knock-out punch coming.
By the time of the (english) press conference, he'd got a bit of control, but seemed to be speaking for the benefit of the print media. Sensible words coming out, but spoken with total cold detachment.

On its own the PC behaviour was fairly unremarkable.
It was the weigh-in behaviour that looked like trouble ahead.
Massa and Vettel back-slapping each other, Button congratulating everyone, Schu looking embarrassed at being found looking into the McLaren cockpit, etc.
It was all very animated.
And there was Alonso looking like "this was not supposed to happen", and trying to avoid everyone.
The coldness in the PC was just the tail-end of the stunned puzzlement of a few minutes before.

I happen to think Fred's pretty quick, but one heck of a prima donna. Maybe Anssi is right and he has low real self confidence.
I don't think he's going to enjoy equal treatment with Massa any more than he did with Hamilton.
But its up to the man himself how he handles himself. Fanboi excuses are precisely that.
In Fred, I think Stefano has a difficult driver to manage in a team situation.

Arska

Mar 13 2010, 18:13

QUOTE (DLaw @ Mar 13 2010, 18:33)

Don't forget Alonso is a much smarter guy than he was in 2007.

One tiny rule change this year, you have to start on the set of tire you qualify with..................

So are you saying Alonso did his time on hards, or do you have a reliable source that confirms Fernando is a smarter guy now? If it's just your own belief, I'm afraid it won't matter much at all.

Seanspeed

Mar 13 2010, 18:16

QUOTE (Anomnader @ Mar 13 2010, 12:26)

Thats a slightly backhanded comment though, it can be taken several ways, eg: well done massa, fastest here, where you good at, but at other tracks you'll be behind.

It can be taken several ways, but the most obvious(and simple) answer is that he's just not surprised to see Massa faster today. Thats it. No more reading into it necessary.

otoelpiloto

Mar 13 2010, 18:17

QUOTE (Mastah @ Mar 13 2010, 17:40)

Well, if we add together all best sectors, Felipe's ideal lap is 0.021 faster than Fernando's. That is pretty telling how close they were in qualifying.

that's hypothetical, I don't count on it at all

molive

Mar 13 2010, 18:18

QUOTE (FenderJaguar @ Mar 13 2010, 12:31)

All sessions Alonso was ahead of Massa I think. And by quite a lot. Anyone knows if Massa went for soft and Alonso for hard? Or maybe Alonso went for racesetup and Massa for qualifying? It was a bit strange that suddenly Massa found the pace.

Maybe Massa was playing safe and doing only what was enough, but in Q3 showed his true pace?

We will never know.

jesee

Mar 13 2010, 18:23

I can't believe that any devout race fan here would judge a driver after only one quali and even before the points have been awarded. It would be a very brave fan who would put Masa to be better than Alonso and this is from a big fan of Masa. We dont know how much punishment each driver gave to those tyres in qualifying and we will see tomorrow who will manage them better.

Chiara

Mar 13 2010, 18:28

Massa has the ability to pull a rabbit out of the hat when he needs to, he is a good qualifier. I've watched him numerous times in free practice over the years and he always surprises me by how he steps up a gear and puts in a great lap when its really needed in qualy.

I think people are reading FAR too much into the significance of it, Alonso didn't have a perfect lap it happens to the best drivers at times. I don't think you can really judge anything from one qualy session. But suddenly the conspiracy theories come tumbling out instead of accepting the simple and most likely explanation that the driver alluded to in the press conference...he simply didn't do a perfect lap on that occasion. No need to make a drama out of it.

otoelpiloto

Mar 13 2010, 18:29

QUOTE (wdh @ Mar 13 2010, 17:45)

No idea what is claimed to be shown, but its an edited report that jumps around - at 26 sec we see the end of Q2 ...

you can see how alonso sutil is in sight and alonso had to make corrections to the steering wheel, as I said and I repeat, COINCIDENCE or not, his s2 was 0,6 slower than his best s2 time...and he looked visibly happy

I refuse to keep writing in this topic today where nobody has writen anything throughtout the weekend but only when massa is been ahead of fernando and who were just hidden like rats waiting for their momentum to attack

the race is tomorrow, alonso is extremely happy so am I, I have no doubt he'll delivered as is expected no matter what you alonso bashers pretend

FerrariF1Fan

Mar 13 2010, 18:35

QUOTE (Arska @ Mar 13 2010, 19:08)

Perhaps the clean side 3rd place is better than 2nd but he wasn't planning for that result in any way, it was just incidental.

By tomorrow noon both sides might be covered with exactly as much fine sand that will level the situation.

FerrariF1Fan

Mar 13 2010, 18:36

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 19:17)

that's hypothetical, I don't count on it at all

Exactly what I expected. You live in denial, only accepting what is positive towards Alonso while denying everything that isn't.

Seanspeed

Mar 13 2010, 18:36

QUOTE (Chiara @ Mar 13 2010, 13:28)

Massa has the ability to pull a rabbit out of the hat when he needs to, he is a good qualifier. I've watched him numerous times in free practice over the years and he always surprises me by how he steps up a gear and puts in a great lap when its really needed in qualy.

I think people are reading FAR too much into the significance of it, Alonso didn't have a perfect lap it happens to the best drivers at times. I don't think you can really judge anything from one qualy session. But suddenly the conspiracy theories come tumbling out instead of accepting the simple and most likely explanation that the driver alluded to in the press conference...he simply didn't do a perfect lap on that occasion. No need to make a drama out of it.

Alonso did a 1:54.1 in Q2 and a 1:54.0 in FP3. He's obviously on-the-pace. Its a long lap, and its easy to make mistakes. All credit to Massa for nailing it, but I dont think Alonso deserves such harsh criticism. Its still his first race weekend in a Ferrari, dont forget.

VicR

Mar 13 2010, 18:39

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 19:29)

I refuse to keep writing in this topic today where nobody has writen anything throughtout the weekend but only when massa is been ahead of fernando and who were just hidden like rats waiting for their momentum to attack

Maybe if you delete your avatar or change it back to Ferrari's logo then maybe people will take you seriously. You do know that image pisses people off?

Feanaro

Mar 13 2010, 18:39

QUOTE (Chiara @ Mar 13 2010, 19:28)

Massa has the ability to pull a rabbit out of the hat when he needs to, he is a good qualifier. I've watched him numerous times in free practice over the years and he always surprises me by how he steps up a gear and puts in a great lap when its really needed in qualy.

I think people are reading FAR too much into the significance of it, Alonso didn't have a perfect lap it happens to the best drivers at times. I don't think you can really judge anything from one qualy session. But suddenly the conspiracy theories come tumbling out instead of accepting the simple and most likely explanation that the driver alluded to in the press conference...he simply didn't do a perfect lap on that occasion. No need to make a drama out of it.

I hope everyone reads this carefully

zeus2

Mar 13 2010, 18:39

Funny little exchange during the post race press conference. Seems like the only people least bothered about Alonso vs Massa are Alonso and Massa.

Q: (Carlos Miquel - Diario AS) Fernando, are you thinking about the possibility to attack Felipe Massa in the first corner, because normally the strategy of the team could be the same in the race?
FM: No, it’s better not to.
FA: It’s the first race, maybe not. We don’t know, we need to see how we start. Maybe I do a very bad start and maybe I need to defend my position from the fourth and the fifth guy. You never know what’s going to happen at the start.
SV: I think you should attack him.
FA: We both overtake Sebastian and we have a relaxed race after that, I hope. (To Sebastian) Third is OK.

FerrariF1Fan

Mar 13 2010, 18:41

QUOTE (VicR @ Mar 13 2010, 19:39)

Maybe if you delete your avatar or change it back to Ferrari's logo then maybe people will take you seriously. You do know that imagine pisses people off?

Right!
Exchanging the Ferrari Cavalino on their logo with a Spanish bull is not flattering to the tifosi.

Menace

Mar 13 2010, 18:46

QUOTE (otoelpiloto @ Mar 13 2010, 10:29)

you can see how alonso sutil is in sight and alonso had to make corrections to the steering wheel, as I said and I repeat, COINCIDENCE or not, his s2 was 0,6 slower than his best s2 time...and he looked visibly happy

I refuse to keep writing in this topic today where nobody has writen anything throughtout the weekend but only when massa is been ahead of fernando and who were just hidden like rats waiting for their momentum to attack

the race is tomorrow, alonso is extremely happy so am I, I have no doubt he'll delivered as is expected no matter what you alonso bashers pretend

Dude, if you learned to give credit where it is due, you would get lot less spiteful comments thrown at Alonso when he is behind his teammate.

Maybe it would be time to recognize that perhaps, just perhaps, Felipe will turn out to be a REAL challenge for Alonso both in the Qualifying's and the Race's. You reap what you sow. What goes around comes around etc. etc.

To me it has been obvious since day one, that there were some disillusioned Alonso fans, who clearly think he is quite simply just faster then everyone else. I don't believe that to be the case, never have. So to some of us, while this is still early days, it is quite satisfying to see Massa do just as well as we predicted. He WILL challenge Alonso, who comes out on top is left to see. But this thought that Alonso will have an easy time with a "average driver" like Massa is just pure bullshit. Always has been, always will.

TigersWood

Mar 13 2010, 18:52

I don't think Alonso will have problems with Ferrari because I can't imagine Stefano Domenicali saying we were racing Fernando, and I don't think Massa will sue his own team to the FIA, so I am confident this will be a calm season for Ferrari.

And a tw-time champion will not have problems.

Arska

Mar 13 2010, 18:57

QUOTE (TigersWood @ Mar 13 2010, 20:52)

I don't think Alonso will have problems with Ferrari because I can't imagine Stefano Domenicali saying we were racing Fernando, and I don't think Massa will sue his own team to the FIA, so I am confident this will be a calm season for Ferrari.

And a tw-time champion will not have problems.

Ron said that thing in the second last race, Alonso's problems with McLaren started way before that. Lewis didn't sue his own team. I'm sure this will be a calm season for Ferrari if Alonso keeps his paranoia and insecurities at check. I'm not counting on that, though.

Mackey

Mar 13 2010, 19:12

QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Mar 13 2010, 19:36)

Alonso did a 1:54.1 in Q2 and a 1:54.0 in FP3. He's obviously on-the-pace. Its a long lap, and its easy to make mistakes. All credit to Massa for nailing it, but I dont think Alonso deserves such harsh criticism. Its still his first race weekend in a Ferrari, dont forget.

Well, lots of people here were waiting for the moment Massa beat Alonso to come here an throw all the s***.
Don´t expect them to show up tomorrow if Alonso wins the race.