True, we have to work out so we can party all season. It's going to exhausting.

Video of the crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRlguLajjA
Mr.Lobato video with the crash edited out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIpr_9nRRms

Sorry to spoil your party but in your "video of the crash" the sequence from 1:54 is:

- Alonso overtakes Massa
- A spin from other driver from a time prior to Alonso overtaking Massa and in a different location ( ) is shown.
- You can see that driver starts to recover
- The video is inmediatly cut to Alonso being already stationary in the track, in other part of the circuit ( #2)

The inserted video captions like "Cry, Alonso" in your "Video of the crash" give a hint of which one is real...

The real sequence is this (3:35):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQiebMs09jM...feature=related

Damn Lobato, and his video manipulations! ( #3).

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I have always felt that Massa is good only if the car is good . ( read ... he doesnt do anything special without a good car ) . So What If the 2008 Ferrari was developed for it to be good for Massa and Kimi was left to cope with a less than optimal car for him .
( win-win situation for Ferrari , they have both cars getting major points .)If it is Alonso in Kimi's place , would he allow that ?... ( if anything thats what he's been saying all the time .... 'when i give 110 percent to the team , i expect 110 percent back' )


P.S must admit its a bit of Kimi fanboyism ... although i have a bridgestone engineer quote for proof ... Kimi drives 100 % all the time , whereas Massa's is split to 90 % and 110% when things are 'not good' and 'good' respectively

I thought that the F2009 was not so great, and that Massa did pretty well in that car compare to 100% KR...

Looking back at Kimi vs Massa battles,

I think Massa+Smedley will adjust the car to be a rocket at qualifying, but not so good in race trim.
Therefore, starting ahead, on pole, and then using his "elbows" to sustain P1 against faster cars in race config.
We know Massa can't win comming from behind of the starting grid.

lets not go to 'F60'... Kimi did alright even when Massa was there ... he had some bad luck with the points . ( Massa had been out of q3 for lack of pace , in a weekend where kimi got into q3 )
Massa didnt do anything 'special'.

A well balanced car is kinda great to drive .... any driver would say that . ( apparentlly Kimi said that ... 'the car wasnt bad' )

that's because he doesn't f#$ up qualy when his car is on pace

??

I like Kimi too and i consider Massa the luckiest guy on F1, but what is this??
Massa had improved a lot since his comeback at Ferrari. At the end of the year he was as fast as MS. Kimi beat his in his first year but Massa kept improving and beat Kimi last year. Can´t imagine where this "Massa can´t win comming from behind of the starting grid". I guess i will have to agree, for the first, with MikeTekRacing.

Now Alonso claims that it took Schumacher years to win the championship at Ferrari and says that it will be hard. How conveniently he forgets that Kimi bagged that championship in his FIRST YEAR at Ferrari.

Alonso is preparing for a failure.

I´m quite sure Massa will miss Kimi BADLY in some point of the season beginning..

I think Massa might surprise us all again, Kimi was brilliant, but Massa seemed to adapt to the cars faster than Kimi. Given a crap car Massa made the best of the situation.

The Ferrari is going to be naturally at this point suited towards Massa, which is not the Alonso style. Massa might have the advantage in the early season, and Alonso could get the car sorted his way mid-season. But don't count Massa out to adapt to the car.

Largest issue for Massa is his strange inability to make his way through the pack when he has a faster car (Is it a mental why should I even try) after he gets knocked down at the start. Oddly he has had some brilliant drives on heavy fuel when starting at the back from not making Q3 for example.

One final thought, Massa has good experience of running heavy on fuel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywXpb2f8l5E...feature=channel



or canada 2008...

I do not recall, was that where he qualified or did he get knocked at the start and have to pit. Like I said he has had some brilliant drives from behind, but more often if he fell behind for some reason he tended to stay at the back.

Heavy fuel he is good at though, so we should consider that. Alonso is as well, but I think Massa more so.

In both cases he didn't make it to the podium, let alone win. Overtaking a bunch of Super Aguris and Torro Rossos in a much lighter faster car means nothing. It's the top places that count most, but I remember Felipe got stuck as soon as he came near a BMW in that Silverstone race. His overtake in Canada is overrated to say the least - two cars basically took themselves out of the way so he can stroll past.

Massa is a great driver from point A to B, but let's not pretend he can do the same from the back...

so going from 22nd to 5th is not going through the pack lol....
nobody can do it from the back of the grid under normal circumstances

i also think vettel is the same too.

He also had make an extra pitstop. In his second stop (and it should have been jis last) Ferrari screwed him and he had to return for some more fuel.
But there's no point in arguing any of that, people will still repeat the same bs over and over again.

OT, but you are completely wrong. Kimi was at the hospital along with Domenicali and Luca shortly after the accident. This is widely reported. And later, instead of calling he sent Massa a card. But people will believe what they want to believe I guess. Only ones I have ever heard say Kimi is arrogant is F1 fans that only know him from the media. Being private and reclusive as most Finns are, dont mean arrogant. Those that know him say the exact opposite.

Besides I think that it will be Massa´s last year at Ferrari. I think Alonso hold the upper hand both psychical and when it comes to racing.
He has matured during the last years and doesn´t want to experience such an fiasco as he did at Mclaren! Besides I think that Ferrari will do everything to make Alonso to their new champion. Imagine how it will look when Massa beats him! Then they also could have kept Kimi! Me thinks that Alonso and Ferrari are made for each other! He knows how to play the game with the media and is very emotional.

common, any Massa Hater or Alonso fan would agree that Silverstone 2007 was awesome race for Massa....starting from 22nd to finish 5th overtaking most of them in a circuit we see ZERO overtakings

It was a strange thing to say and ignores the fact that team was vastly different and in a bit of a mess when MS joined.

To be honest, I think it seem to in a bit of a mess now as well.

http://www.f1aldia.com/photos/7000/7066/002_small.jpg
http://www.f1aldia.com/photos/7000/7066/003_small.jpg
http://www.f1aldia.com/photos/7000/7066/004_small.jpg

Really doesn't compare to how they were though. Back then the car could barely pull away from the pits without spewing parts.

Nice shoes

Can't wait to buy it... German style on Italian team.

Alonso has the bigger chin so that settles it! As we all know, big chins win more races at Ferrari.


Cooper

Yes, but Massa has less brains, which will give him the weight advantage.

I hope some of you sensitive types will appreciate that this is not a bash, but that uniform on Alonso looks like it is of Villeneuve proportions. It all looks a bit baggy and romper suit to me. I don't recall him looking quite so out of proportion in Renault and McLaren overalls.

Am I the only one who sees this?

Looks very normal in this;

Since someone missed it, I think it's time to bring it up

It'll be really interesting to see if Massa's supposed top form from the Barcelona test in the F2008 carries on and translate into fats long runs with the new car in Valencia...

You know Kimi was extremely lucky to win it by an epic choke of Lewis, but he was just a rookie back then and had the pressure on him from all the media. Nobody believed Kimi or Alonso was going to win the WDC in 2007

But it's an excuse ofcourse by Alonso. Ferrari is going to come with a monster car ( since they have been working on it longer than any other team ). I'll laugh if Red Bull, Mercedes GP or Mclaren have a better car than Ferrari this season, it would be a real faillure of Ferrari then

I read today that even Ferrari management are looking forward to Alonso's 3rd WDC......

"I think that 2007 was very different," Alonso said at the launch of the new Ferrari F10 today.

"We started the year very well, then we went to Canada and Indianapolis and the team started to make wrong decisions.

"So I left the team because I had the possibility to do so and to join another team which I believed had a better philosophy.

What happened in Canada and Indianapolis? Lewis beat him!

Alonso/ Massa is going to be a huge drama...just you wait Henry Higgins just you wait!

Agree with ya skid solo, its going to be madness down at Ferrari. I dont think 2010 is going to be Ferraris year. I really dont think they have a decent design from what others have said about the car/ Alonso could go either way if Massa does beat him, bow down or throw his toys again that is the question? I was starting to like Alonso in the Renault 09, I think he has sorted himself a tad....
Either way will make for a good watch!!

What would you have liked on him for 09? His ad-less Renault gear?

So you are assuming Massa would definitely beat Alonso in a less than competitive car... btw, is Massa famous for ability to drag a slow car around?

lol, i just liked him, how he acted. He seemed to of chilled out a bit and i started to support him more....
I really didnt mean it as a dig @ him. Lets hope he is happy in the Ferrari whatever happens.

Oh your last line sounds nice...

He did seem chill out and lay back a bit, that's because he was totally free of pressure or to be exact (suffering from) lack of it. This guy thrives in pressure you know.

What he did in 2009 other then dragging average F60 to places where it didn't belong?

It's difficult to predict anything, but I really believe if there's no preferential treatment, Felipe can match Fred, in slow or fast Ferrari.

Looks like Massa is going to be his whipping boy. Fillipe baby as I suspect is going to be destroyed by Alonso. I think Massa would quit Ferrari at the end of 2010 due to being humiliated. I am no Alonso fan but he is going to annihilate Massa from race one.

I don't think that Massa will cause lots of problems, after all, his contract expires at the end of 2010.
So Flip is vulnerable, he can do limited damage to his team spirit reputation in 2010, but afterwards...

That's respect for a double World Champion while they welcome him into a new team.

SD said the other day that he and Ferrari look forward to the new adventure that "should last for many years" with Fernando. What's so strange if he say he "see Alonso's 3rd WDC" in those many years?

I bet you have KR in your mind when you say all these, don't you?

Maybe that's exactly where you'll find difference between the two of them...

Kimi should stay in Rallying He has pulled me into following rallying anyway, I support him now. Looking quick! Just needs more exp.
absentia I really wasnt having a dig, I do like him now. Im no hater I hope he does well, Im no Ferrari fan tho. But seeing him and hamiton battle was great Seems like it will be the same between him and Massa

That's Alonsos usual modus operandi. Downplaying his chances in order to deflect the pressure. Then if he does well he appears as a hero.
Pretty transparent but that's how he is.

Comparing Ferrari today to Ferrari 96 is an utter joke though.
But whatever makes FA feel good.
If he doesn't start beating Massa right away, sparks will fly at Ferrari. I'll be sure to bring popcorns...

Dream on

Do you remember what happened at Sauber 2005 with Villeneuve? He was supposed to be the leader, the one who is always scaring his teammates with games, like throwing their dishes, hiding their suits and such. He got to a bad start and at Monaco took Felipe off. It was JVs mistake, but when Felipe was coming back to the garage you know what he said? It was his own mistake, because he shouldn't have destroyed his tyres and there was no point blaming JV.
Now guess what happens within the team, one has gone very low and the other just doesn't care and thinks on how to improve! Alonso with his manners will have no chance. Lewis was playing the blaming game, Felipe just won't do it. He will leave Alonso or whoever to think of stupid ways to play with his mind, while he will be concentrated on the racing side ;)
As far as I'm concerned, yet another overhyped scalp in Massa's collection.

I think there won't be any real problems between them but some people will be searching for trouble every time they say a word.