From 1905 to 1911 (and later ?) was the Herkomerkonkurrenz , later Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt the most important race in Germany, (and the Kaiserpreis of 1907), in the race of 1905 start Dufour, Pöge, Edge, Veith, in 1906 start Lancia with Fiat, , but the history of the motor racing forget always this race (write through English and French who have no intresse from Mercedes, Benz, Adler, Germain, Opel, Daimler, Deutz, Horch, AF,……race cars ?)
Who have more info from the race of 1910,1911,19 ? ?
and why forget every one this race
11 aug > 17 aug 1905 – I. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Edgar Ladenburg – Mercedes
5 juni > 13 juni 1906 - II. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Dr. Rudolff Stöss - Horch
4 juni > 11 juni 1907 – III Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
9 juni > 17 juni 1908 – I. Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
10 juni > 18 juni 1909 – II Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Wilhelm Opel – Opel
? ? juni - ? ? juni 1910 – III Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? – Austro Daimler
? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ? 1911 – IV Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ?
after 1912 ? ? ? ? ?
Full Version: Herkomerkonkurrenz - Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
According to the book 100 ans de Sport Automobile belge, a Belgian car, a Métalurgique, driven by Aschoff was second in the 1907 Herkomercup.
I maybe know more about those races but I'm not really sure, sorry.
I maybe know more about those races but I'm not really sure, sorry.
The first of several Herkomer-Contests in 1906 was solely for touring cars. Each car had to have at least four seats, fenders, lights and a silenced exhaust system. The cars had to be privately owned and driven by the owner himself. Therefore the Herkomer-Contest was not a race comparable to the French GP, Vanderbilt Cup or Kaiserpreis, which were events for true racing cars of the highest order.
Available as JPG-scan in GERMAN language only:
Herkomer-Konkurrenz 1906:
- full event regulations
- event report by entrant Hans Dominik
- comment about general achievements
- list of leftovers by participants at the various control points (quite amazing, incl. a lady’s corset!)
Herkomer-Fahrt 1906:
- Technical and sporting impressions
- Technical details about Herkomerfahrt and Kaiserpreisrennen
Prinz-Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908:
- Pre-event report
- Event report
- Final report
- Influence of regulations on engine construction
- Technical conclusions
- Piston speeds
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1909:
- Full event regulations
- Pre-event report incl. route map
- Short event report and result table
- Detailed event report with some pictures
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1910:
- Full event regulations
- Pre-event report incl. route map, entry list and photos
- Event report I
- Event report II
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1911:
- Technical Consequences
In case of interest drop me an e-mail.
Herkomer-Konkurrenz 1906:
- full event regulations
- event report by entrant Hans Dominik
- comment about general achievements
- list of leftovers by participants at the various control points (quite amazing, incl. a lady’s corset!)
Herkomer-Fahrt 1906:
- Technical and sporting impressions
- Technical details about Herkomerfahrt and Kaiserpreisrennen
Prinz-Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908:
- Pre-event report
- Event report
- Final report
- Influence of regulations on engine construction
- Technical conclusions
- Piston speeds
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1909:
- Full event regulations
- Pre-event report incl. route map
- Short event report and result table
- Detailed event report with some pictures
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1910:
- Full event regulations
- Pre-event report incl. route map, entry list and photos
- Event report I
- Event report II
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1911:
- Technical Consequences
In case of interest drop me an e-mail.
Michael,
I have the Braunbeck's Sport Lexikon "Automobilismus"
Berlin 1910,
bur not entry list of 1910,
I have the Braunbeck's Sport Lexikon "Automobilismus"
Berlin 1910,
bur not entry list of 1910,
Michael,
Thanks for the entry list of 1910
Entry list with :
Frankl –Benz
Fritz Opel – Opel
Erle – Benz
Ferdinand Porsche – Austro Daimler
Voight – Austro Daimler
Ettore Bugatti – Bugatti
Jenatzy – Mercedes
Pöge – Mercedes
Sailer – Dixi
etc..
so , stap by stap
? ? juni - ? ? juni 1910 – III Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? – Austro Daimler
? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ? 1911 – IV Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ?
after 1912 ? ? ? ? ?
Thanks for the entry list of 1910
Entry list with :
Frankl –Benz
Fritz Opel – Opel
Erle – Benz
Ferdinand Porsche – Austro Daimler
Voight – Austro Daimler
Ettore Bugatti – Bugatti
Jenatzy – Mercedes
Pöge – Mercedes
Sailer – Dixi
etc..
so , stap by stap
? ? juni - ? ? juni 1910 – III Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? – Austro Daimler
? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ? 1911 – IV Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ?
after 1912 ? ? ? ? ?
The Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt was an international reliability drive for touring cars and was not a race.
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908
Participants:
107 cars from Germany
11 cars from Belgium
9 from France
5 from Austria
5 from Italy
3 from Switzerland
1 from England
The start was on 9 June 1908 at 6:00 a.m. at the Tempelhof Field.
1st stage: Berlin-Stettin
2nd stage: Stettin-Kiel
3rd stage: Kiel-Hamburg
4th stage: Hamburg-Hannover
5th stage: Hannover-Cöln
6th stage: Cöln-Trier
7th stage: Trier-Frankfurt a.M.
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt 1909
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908
- 1. Fritz Erle (Benz) 7.96 good points
- 2. Willy Pöge (Mercedes) 7.91
- 3. A. Paul, driver Paul Geller(Adler) 7.28
- 4. Ludwig Zimmern, driver B. v.Lengerke (Benz) 6.76
- 5. Carl Löhr (Adler) 6.51
- 6. Edgar Ladenburg (Benz) 6.38
- 7. August Horch (Horch) 5.83
- 8. Dr. Stöß (Horch) 5.68
- 9. W. Jochems (Mercedes) 5.53
Participants:
107 cars from Germany
11 cars from Belgium
9 from France
5 from Austria
5 from Italy
3 from Switzerland
1 from England
The start was on 9 June 1908 at 6:00 a.m. at the Tempelhof Field.
1st stage: Berlin-Stettin
2nd stage: Stettin-Kiel
3rd stage: Kiel-Hamburg
4th stage: Hamburg-Hannover
5th stage: Hannover-Cöln
6th stage: Cöln-Trier
7th stage: Trier-Frankfurt a.M.
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt 1909
- 1. Wilhelm Opel (Opel) 20.76 good points
- 2. Willy Pöge, Fahrer A.Vischer (Mercedes) 20.13
- 3. Chr. Kittsteiner (Opel) 19.78
- 4. Forchheimer (Benz) 18.61
- 5. Ernst Sachs (Opel) 18.56
- 6. L. M. Opel (Opel) 17.96
- 7. Alexander Count Kolowrat (Laurin-Klement) 17.64
- 8. F. Wandesleben (Adler) 17.56
- 9. Adam Paul (Adler) 17.08
Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt 1910:
2 – 8 June
1. Prof. Ferdinand Porsche – Austro-Daimler – 20.90 points
2. Eduard Fischer – Austro-Daimler – 20.51 points
3. Fritz Hamburger (owner) / Count Heinrich Schoenfeld (driver) – Austro-Daimler – 19.59 points
4. Herbert Ephraim – Opel – 18.96 points
5. Fritz Erle – Benz – 18.56 points
6. Adam Paul (owner) / Hugo Wilhelm (driver) – Adler – 17.92 points
7. Count Geza Andrassy (owner) – Th. Pilette (driver) – Mercedes – 17.88 points
8. Arthur Henney – Benz – 17.79 points
9. Georg Günther – Presto – 17.71 points
10. Edward Forchheimer (owner) / Dr. Kiefer (driver) – Benz – 17.66 points
11. Carl Neumaier – Benz – 17.52 points
12. Siegfried Count Wimpffen – Austro-Daimler – 17.40 points
13. Ernst Schoemperlen – Gaggenau – 17.17 points
Winner special stage Genthin: E. Fischer
Winner special stage Colmar: Prof. Porsche
Unfortunately I have no details for 1911 and 1912.
2 – 8 June
1. Prof. Ferdinand Porsche – Austro-Daimler – 20.90 points
2. Eduard Fischer – Austro-Daimler – 20.51 points
3. Fritz Hamburger (owner) / Count Heinrich Schoenfeld (driver) – Austro-Daimler – 19.59 points
4. Herbert Ephraim – Opel – 18.96 points
5. Fritz Erle – Benz – 18.56 points
6. Adam Paul (owner) / Hugo Wilhelm (driver) – Adler – 17.92 points
7. Count Geza Andrassy (owner) – Th. Pilette (driver) – Mercedes – 17.88 points
8. Arthur Henney – Benz – 17.79 points
9. Georg Günther – Presto – 17.71 points
10. Edward Forchheimer (owner) / Dr. Kiefer (driver) – Benz – 17.66 points
11. Carl Neumaier – Benz – 17.52 points
12. Siegfried Count Wimpffen – Austro-Daimler – 17.40 points
13. Ernst Schoemperlen – Gaggenau – 17.17 points
Winner special stage Genthin: E. Fischer
Winner special stage Colmar: Prof. Porsche
Unfortunately I have no details for 1911 and 1912.
Michael,
enormous Thanks
Hans,
Tanks :
With the rennen in the « Forstenrieder Park », and the « Bergrennen auf den Kesselberg » was the Herkomerkonkurrenze /Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten a real race, and if you see the photos of this race , you see the same race cars and racing of all the races from before 1910.
OK there was the GP of ACF in 1906 , 1907 and 1908 , but anyting else,
the Herkomerkonkurrenze/Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten was on the same level then the
France trial racing
The Italian Targo Floria
The Gorden Bennett Trail
The Copa Catalunga in Spain
The voiturette racing in Boulogne, Normandie, Ostende
The Tour Trophy in GB
Vanderbilt Cup with stock chassis ,
Was « the Chequered Flag – 100 years of Motor Racing » write through a German, the Herkomerkonkurrenze / Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten, was the importants race before 1910, and nobody so speak over the Targo Floria or the Tour Trophy.
The Herkomerkonkurrenze / Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten, was for German sport Automobile with Mercedes, Benz, Daimler and Opel; so much important then the Targo Floria was for Italian with Fiat, Itala and Spa.
enormous
Thanks
Hans,
Tanks
:
With the rennen in the « Forstenrieder Park », and the « Bergrennen auf den Kesselberg » was the Herkomerkonkurrenze /Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten a real race, and if you see the photos of this race , you see the same race cars and racing of all the races from before 1910.
OK there was the GP of ACF in 1906 , 1907 and 1908 , but anyting else,
the Herkomerkonkurrenze/Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten was on the same level then the
France trial racing
The Italian Targo Floria
The Gorden Bennett Trail
The Copa Catalunga in Spain
The voiturette racing in Boulogne, Normandie, Ostende
The Tour Trophy in GB
Vanderbilt Cup with stock chassis ,
Was « the Chequered Flag – 100 years of Motor Racing » write through a German, the Herkomerkonkurrenze / Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten, was the importants race before 1910, and nobody so speak over the Targo Floria or the Tour Trophy.
The Herkomerkonkurrenze / Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrten, was for German sport Automobile with Mercedes, Benz, Daimler and Opel; so much important then the Targo Floria was for Italian with Fiat, Itala and Spa.
In 1911 only a tour for Germany to England and Ireland,
in co-operation with the King of England, no race.
In 1912 no more organizer
in co-operation with the King of England, no race.
In 1912 no more organizer
Hi Boniver
My dad has a trophy from that race at his place. It's a bronze statue of a man with a bow. I going to take a picture with my digital camera and post it.
Is it a really rare trophy?
Thank you
Toine, Theodore Pilette is my great grand father.
My dad has a trophy from that race at his place. It's a bronze statue of a man with a bow. I going to take a picture with my digital camera and post it.
Is it a really rare trophy?
Thank you
Toine, Theodore Pilette is my great grand father.
A few random bits of information from British sources ()
Austro-Daimler: 1909 team cars were 6.5 litre chain-drive, driven by Porsche, Fischer and Boos-Waldeck.
1910 team cars were deigned by Porsche: 5.7 litre ohc five-bearing four-cylinder engine. Bodywork was tulip-shaped, by Neumann-Neander, designed to circumvent the regulations. Designed to do 142km/h (88mph) running at 86bhp.
Benz: 1908 cars were 6.6 litre (Erle's car 7.5 litres) - developed 100bhp
1910: Benz streamliners were 7271cc. Won timed sprint part of trials - 138.08km/h (Austro-Daimler 128.75km/h)
Vauxhall: after the 1910 trial a number of Vauxhall models based on the cars entered that year were named "Prince Henry"
)
Austro-Daimler: 1909 team cars were 6.5 litre chain-drive, driven by Porsche, Fischer and Boos-Waldeck.
1910 team cars were deigned by Porsche: 5.7 litre ohc five-bearing four-cylinder engine. Bodywork was tulip-shaped, by Neumann-Neander, designed to circumvent the regulations. Designed to do 142km/h (88mph) running at 86bhp.
Benz: 1908 cars were 6.6 litre (Erle's car 7.5 litres) - developed 100bhp
1910: Benz streamliners were 7271cc. Won timed sprint part of trials - 138.08km/h (Austro-Daimler 128.75km/h)
Vauxhall: after the 1910 trial a number of Vauxhall models based on the cars entered that year were named "Prince Henry"
Originally posted by Hans Etzrodt
The Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt was an international reliability drive for touring cars and was not a race.
[b]Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908
10. Bernhard Flinsch (Mercedes)
Special contests
Schnelligkeitsrnnen von Itzehoe
1 Fritz Erle Benz 4.42,8
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes 4.24,8 sic?
3 Paul Geller Adler 5.07,2
Kesselberg rennen
1 Fritz Erle Benz 4.27,2
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes 5.15,6
3 Paul Geller Adler 5.56,6
Sonderpreise
1 Paul Geller Adler
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt 1909
9 687 Erich Grüning Adler
10 627 Willy D. Jessurun Opel
11 650 Franz Heine Adler
12 688 Hugo Remy Adler
special events and other data
June 10: Berlin-Breslau 377,8
1. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Guben-Krossen
June 11: Breslau-Tatra Lomnicz 395
June 12: Tatra Lomnicz-Budapest 312
June 14: Budapest-Wien 313,9
June 15: Wien-Salzburg 330,3
June 16: Salzburg-München 253,3
2. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Forstenrieder Park
1. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Guben-Krossen
1 Wilhelm Opel Opel 3.39,8
2 Alexander Graf Kolowrat Laurin & Klement 3.10,4 sic?
3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 3.06,0 sic?
2. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Forstenrieder Park
1 Wilhelm Opel Opel 3.49,8
2 Karl Kittsteiner Benz 3.50,4
3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 3.10,6 sic?
Sonderpreise
1 F. Paulmann Horch
2 Eduard Fischer Oestr. Daimler
3 Hans Niebel Benz
4 O.E. Lindpaintner Opel
The Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt was an international reliability drive for touring cars and was not a race.
[b]Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Tourenfahrt 1908
- 1. Fritz Erle (Benz) 7.96 good points
- 2. Willy Pöge (Mercedes) 7.91
- 3. A. Paul, driver Paul Geller(Adler) 7.28
- 4. Ludwig Zimmern, driver B. v.Lengerke (Benz) 6.76 Bruno von Lengerke
- 5. Carl Löhr (Adler) 6.51
- 6. Edgar Ladenburg (Benz) 6.38
- 7. August Horch (Horch) 5.83
- 8. Dr. Stöß (Horch) 5.68 Dr. Rudolf Stöss
- 9. W. Jochems (Mercedes) 5.53
10. Bernhard Flinsch (Mercedes)
Special contests
Schnelligkeitsrnnen von Itzehoe
1 Fritz Erle Benz 4.42,8
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes 4.24,8 sic?
3 Paul Geller Adler 5.07,2
Kesselberg rennen
1 Fritz Erle Benz 4.27,2
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes 5.15,6
3 Paul Geller Adler 5.56,6
Sonderpreise
1 Paul Geller Adler
2 Willy Pöge Mercedes
Result of the Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt 1909
- 1. Wilhelm Opel (Opel) 20.76 good points
- 2. Willy Pöge, Fahrer A.Vischer (Mercedes) 20.13
- 3. Chr. Kittsteiner (Opel) 19.78
- 4. Forchheimer (Benz) 18.61 Edward Forchheimer
- 5. Ernst Sachs (Opel) 18.56
- 6. L. M. Opel (Opel) 17.96 Ludwig M. Opel
- 7. Alexander Count Kolowrat (Laurin-Klement) 17.64
- 8. F. Wandesleben (Adler) 17.56
- 9. Adam Paul (Adler) 17.08
9 687 Erich Grüning Adler
10 627 Willy D. Jessurun Opel
11 650 Franz Heine Adler
12 688 Hugo Remy Adler
special events and other data
June 10: Berlin-Breslau 377,8
1. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Guben-Krossen
June 11: Breslau-Tatra Lomnicz 395
June 12: Tatra Lomnicz-Budapest 312
June 14: Budapest-Wien 313,9
June 15: Wien-Salzburg 330,3
June 16: Salzburg-München 253,3
2. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Forstenrieder Park
1. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Guben-Krossen
1 Wilhelm Opel Opel 3.39,8
2 Alexander Graf Kolowrat Laurin & Klement 3.10,4 sic?
3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 3.06,0 sic?
2. Schnelligkeitsprüfung Forstenrieder Park
1 Wilhelm Opel Opel 3.49,8
2 Karl Kittsteiner Benz 3.50,4
3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 3.10,6 sic?
Sonderpreise
1 F. Paulmann Horch
2 Eduard Fischer Oestr. Daimler
3 Hans Niebel Benz
4 O.E. Lindpaintner Opel
Gerrit Stevens
Originally posted by Boniver
From 1905 to 1911 (and later ?) was the Herkomerkonkurrenz , later Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt the most important race in Germany, (and the Kaiserpreis of 1907), in the race of 1905 start Dufour, Pöge, Edge, Veith, in 1906 start Lancia with Fiat, , but the history of the motor racing forget always this race (write through English and French who have no intresse from Mercedes, Benz, Adler, Germain, Opel, Daimler, Deutz, Horch, AF,……race cars ?)
Who have more info from the race of 1910,1911,19 ? ?
and why forget every one this race
11 aug > 17 aug 1905 – I. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Edgar Ladenburg – Mercedes
5 juni > 13 juni 1906 - II. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Dr. Rudolff Stöss - Horch
4 juni > 11 juni 1907 – III Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
9 juni > 17 juni 1908 – I. Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
10 juni > 18 juni 1909 – II Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Wilhelm Opel – Opel
? ? juni - ? ? juni 1910 – III Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? – Austro Daimler
? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ? 1911 – IV Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ?
after 1912 ? ? ? ? ?
From 1905 to 1911 (and later ?) was the Herkomerkonkurrenz , later Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt the most important race in Germany, (and the Kaiserpreis of 1907), in the race of 1905 start Dufour, Pöge, Edge, Veith, in 1906 start Lancia with Fiat, , but the history of the motor racing forget always this race (write through English and French who have no intresse from Mercedes, Benz, Adler, Germain, Opel, Daimler, Deutz, Horch, AF,……race cars ?)
Who have more info from the race of 1910,1911,19 ? ?
and why forget every one this race
11 aug > 17 aug 1905 – I. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Edgar Ladenburg – Mercedes
5 juni > 13 juni 1906 - II. Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Dr. Rudolff Stöss - Horch
4 juni > 11 juni 1907 – III Herkomerkonkurrenz (Dt)
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
9 juni > 17 juni 1908 – I. Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Fritz Erle – Benz
10 juni > 18 juni 1909 – II Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. Wilhelm Opel – Opel
? ? juni - ? ? juni 1910 – III Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? – Austro Daimler
? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ? 1911 – IV Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt
1. ? ? ? ? - ? ? ? ?
after 1912 ? ? ? ? ?
Herkomer Konkurrenz
11-16 August 1905, München- Baden Baden – Nürnberg – München, 937,1 km
Results
1 12 Edgar Ladenburg Mercedes 40 hp
2 27 Hermann Weingard Mercedes 40 hp
3 3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 60 hp
4 36 Fritz Opel Opel 35 hp
5 30 Fritz Werner Clément-Bayard 35/45 hp
6 24 Hynek Ruzìcska Mercedes 40 hp
7 15 Max Wild Mercedes 28/52 hp
8 26 Julius Turck Benz 40 hp
9 59 Alfred Teves Adler 24 hp
10 72 Carl Löhr Adler 24 hp
11 14 Bernhard Flinsch Mercedes 40 hp
12 23 Eduard Scharrer Benz 40 hp
13 57a Graf Wilhelm Arco Mercedes 24/28 hp
14 71 Arch Heres Adler 24 hp
15 75 Anton Baur Clément-Bayard 24 hp
Kesselbergrennen (7 km, August 12)
1 Willy Pöge Mercedes 6.37,4
2 Fritz Werner Mercedes 7.29,0
3 Willy Tischbein Mercedes 7.39,0
Forstenrieder Park Rennen (6 km, August 13)
1 Willy Pöge Mercedes 4.12,6
2 Willy Tischbein Mercedes 4.43,6
3 Fritz Werner Mercedes 5.00,4
N.B.
1) Touringcar race, named after Professor Hubert von Herkomer.
2) Source: Braunbeck's Sportlexikon pp. 248-255.
3) 105 contestants, 26 finishers recorded
4) Program
August 11: exposition of the cars in Beissbarth Automobil Halle, München
August 12: Kesselbergrennen
August 13: Forstenriederpark Rennrn
August 14: München-Bruck-Augsburg-Ulm-Tübingen-Baden Baden (371,8 km)
August 15: Baden-Stuttgart-Rothenburg-Nürnberg (330,4 km)
August 16: Nürnberg-Regensburg-München (234,9 km)
August 17: Corso in München.
1 12 Edgar Ladenburg Mercedes 40 hp
2 27 Hermann Weingard Mercedes 40 hp
3 3 Willy Pöge Mercedes 60 hp
4 36 Fritz Opel Opel 35 hp
5 30 Fritz Werner Clément-Bayard 35/45 hp
6 24 Hynek Ruzìcska Mercedes 40 hp
7 15 Max Wild Mercedes 28/52 hp
8 26 Julius Turck Benz 40 hp
9 59 Alfred Teves Adler 24 hp
10 72 Carl Löhr Adler 24 hp
11 14 Bernhard Flinsch Mercedes 40 hp
12 23 Eduard Scharrer Benz 40 hp
13 57a Graf Wilhelm Arco Mercedes 24/28 hp
14 71 Arch Heres Adler 24 hp
15 75 Anton Baur Clément-Bayard 24 hp
Kesselbergrennen (7 km, August 12)
1 Willy Pöge Mercedes 6.37,4
2 Fritz Werner Mercedes 7.29,0
3 Willy Tischbein Mercedes 7.39,0
Forstenrieder Park Rennen (6 km, August 13)
1 Willy Pöge Mercedes 4.12,6
2 Willy Tischbein Mercedes 4.43,6
3 Fritz Werner Mercedes 5.00,4
N.B.
1) Touringcar race, named after Professor Hubert von Herkomer.
2) Source: Braunbeck's Sportlexikon pp. 248-255.
3) 105 contestants, 26 finishers recorded
4) Program
August 11: exposition of the cars in Beissbarth Automobil Halle, München
August 12: Kesselbergrennen
August 13: Forstenriederpark Rennrn
August 14: München-Bruck-Augsburg-Ulm-Tübingen-Baden Baden (371,8 km)
August 15: Baden-Stuttgart-Rothenburg-Nürnberg (330,4 km)
August 16: Nürnberg-Regensburg-München (234,9 km)
August 17: Corso in München.
Herkomer Konkurrenz
5-12 June 1906, Frankfurt am Main-München-Linz-Wien-Klagenfurt-Innsbruck-München
1647,1 km
Results
1 155 Dr. Rudolf Stöss Horch 18-20ps
2 78 Fritz Erle Benz 40ps owner: Emil Neumaier
3 18 Willy Pöge Mercedes 60ps
4 141 Heinrich Opel Opel 22ps
5 93 Carl Neumaier Benz 40ps
6 19 Hermann Weingand Mercedes 70ps
7 84 Theodor Dreher Mercedes 90ps
8 24 Bruno von Lengerke Mercedes 70ps owner: Edgar Ladenberg
9 144 G.H. Wilhelm Uren Priamus 20ps
10 102 August Horch Horch 40ps
11 39 A.D. Grigg Engl. Daimler
Notes:
1) Touringcar race, named after Professor Hubert von Herkomer.
2) Source: Braunbeck's Sportlexikon pp. 256-261.
3) 155 entries, 19 did not start, 98 finishers.
4) Program:
June 5: expostion of the cars
June 6: Frankfurt am Main-München 403,1
June 7: München-Linz 269,5
June 8: Linz-Wien 185
June 9: day of rest
June 10: Wien-Klagenfurt 308,1
Speedcontest Semmering Bergrennen
June 11: Klagenfurt-Innsbruck 331
June 12: Innsbruck-München 150
Forstenrieder Parkrennen
June 13: Prize ceremony
5) Forstenrieder Park speed race:
1 Dr. Rudolf Stöss Horch) 4.34,0
2 Carl Westphal Germain Standard 4.46,0
3 Georg Betzin Horch 5.06,0
Semmering Hill climb: Willy Pöge (Mercedes)
1 Willy Pöge Mercedes 8.46,0
2 Fritz Erle Benz 10.12,6
3 Carl Neumaier Benz 10.44,0
Beauty contest
1 Wolfram Eschebach Benz
2 Friedrich Wandesleben Adler
3 Fritz Vogler Adler
4 Joe Livingston Adler
Sonderpreis
Miss Maud Manville Engl. Daimler
Herkomer Konkurrenz
4-13 June 1907, Dresden-Eisenach-Mannheim-Lindau-München-Augsburg-Frankfurt am Main, 1818,7 km
Results
1 9 Fritz Erle Benz (owner: Edgar ladenberg)
2 169 Hans Aschoff Métallurgique
3 21 Heinrich Opel Opel
4 35 Bruno von Lengerke Mercedes
5 92 Carl Neumaier Benz
6 152 August Schmierer Adler
7 109 Richard Benz Benz
8 22 Fritz Dahmen Opel
9 106 Julius Otto Mandl Benz
10 119 August Horch Horch
11 187 Alfred Kathe Horch
12 159 Erich Grüning Adler
13 18 Pfauz Benz
14 44 Miss Dorothee Levitt Napier
15 98 Wilhelm Opel Opel
16 19 Edgar Ladenburg Benz
17 170 K. von Ohlendorff Germain
18 189 Dr. Rudolf Stöss Horch
19 36 Hermann Weingand Mercedes
20 151 Alfred Calmon Adler
Notes:
1. Touringcar race, named after Professor Hubert von Herkomer.
2. Source: Braunbeck’s Sportlexikon pp. 262/265
3. 189 entries, 28 did not start, 109 finished.
4. Program
June 4: exposition of the cars
June 5: Dresden-Eisenach 359
June 6: Eisenach-Mannheim 337
June 7: Mannheim-Lindau 358,3
June 8: Lindau-München 221,9
Forstenrieder Parkrennen
June 9: day of rest
June 10: München-Augsburg 221,1
Kesselbergrennen
June 11: Augsburg-Frankfurt am Main. 321,4
Jnue 13: price ceremomny
5. Forstenrieder Parkrennen
1 Hermann Weingand Mercedes
2 Edgar Ladenburg Benz
3 Heinrich Opel Opel
Kesselberg rennen
1 Hans Aschoff Métallurgique
2 Rittmester D. Spitzner Benz
3 Gustav Schürmann Dixi
Schönheitskonkurrenz
1 EF Gütschow Mercedes
2 von Baruch Gobron-Brillié
3 Hermann Otto Mühlberg Bens
4 Paul Lehmann Itala
I have no data from 1911.
Was it ever held.
Braunbeck says on p. 269, "Der Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt ist ein Wanderpreis für drei Jahre und geht in dessen Eigentum über, der zweimal gesiegt hat; tritt dieser Fall nicht ein, so entscheidet unter den drei Siegern das Los. 1910 findet also die letzte Konkurrenz um diesen Preis statt."
The cup is a challenge cup for three years and will be definetely owned by the one who would win it twice. Should this not be the cas than the draw will decide. So in 1910 the last competition for this pric will take place.
Gerrit Stevens
Originally posted by Boniver
In 1911 only a tour for Germany to England and Ireland,
in co-operation with the King of England, no race.
In 1912 no more organizer
In 1911 only a tour for Germany to England and Ireland,
in co-operation with the King of England, no race.
In 1912 no more organizer
This page has picture from 1912. Mistake?
In 1911 it was known as Prince Henry Cup.
Getty Images
Very Rare German 1911 'Prince Henry Cup' Competitors Medal
1911 Prince Henry Cup
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and the 1911 Prince Henry Cup
Getty Images
Very Rare German 1911 'Prince Henry Cup' Competitors Medal
1911 Prince Henry Cup
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and the 1911 Prince Henry Cup
Not true - the Prinz Heinrich Fahrt translates into English as the Prince Henry Trial. The name in German didn't change, it's just that the British and American sources you quote use the term cup. Note though on the picture of the medal it uses "Prinz Heinrich Preis" and also uses the direct English translation. This doesn't mean that the race was called this though - it is the name of the award for the race?
According to contemporary newspapers available in the web, the 1910 edition of the Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt was marred by an accident that claimed the lives of two unnamed people.
On Tuesday 07 June 1910, during the stage towards Oberenzen, Alsace, Germany (now territory of France), the Adler #57 driven by Franz Heine of Hannover went off the road and rolled, involving several spectators, before ending into a tree.
It is not clear whether the car crashed as a consequence of a tyre broken or steering problems. Two passengers of the car were killed upon impact, the chauffeur and a controller. Franz Heine and one spectator were seriously injured in the crash.
According to different sources, the deceased persons were spectators involved in the accident, this has not yet been confirmed.
More informations?
On Tuesday 07 June 1910, during the stage towards Oberenzen, Alsace, Germany (now territory of France), the Adler #57 driven by Franz Heine of Hannover went off the road and rolled, involving several spectators, before ending into a tree.
It is not clear whether the car crashed as a consequence of a tyre broken or steering problems. Two passengers of the car were killed upon impact, the chauffeur and a controller. Franz Heine and one spectator were seriously injured in the crash.
According to different sources, the deceased persons were spectators involved in the accident, this has not yet been confirmed.
More informations?
The Journal de Geneve, 9th June 1910, pg 2 says that two passengers were killed and a spectator was gravely injured by debris from the crashed car. The Times from 8th June 1910 pg 7 says that it was the mechanic and umpire who were killed in the car.
QUOTE (Nanni Dietrich @ Sep 8 2009, 09:53) 
According to contemporary newspapers available in the web, the 1910 edition of the Prinz-Heinrich-Fahrt was marred by an accident that claimed the lives of two unnamed people.
On Tuesday 07 June 1910, during the stage towards Oberenzen, Alsace, Germany (now territory of France), the Adler #57 driven by Franz Heine of Hannover went off the road and rolled, involving several spectators, before ending into a tree.
It is not clear whether the car crashed as a consequence of a tyre broken or steering problems. Two passengers of the car were killed upon impact, the chauffeur and a controller. Franz Heine and one spectator were seriously injured in the crash.
According to different sources, the deceased persons were spectators involved in the accident, this has not yet been confirmed.
More informations?
On Tuesday 07 June 1910, during the stage towards Oberenzen, Alsace, Germany (now territory of France), the Adler #57 driven by Franz Heine of Hannover went off the road and rolled, involving several spectators, before ending into a tree.
It is not clear whether the car crashed as a consequence of a tyre broken or steering problems. Two passengers of the car were killed upon impact, the chauffeur and a controller. Franz Heine and one spectator were seriously injured in the crash.
According to different sources, the deceased persons were spectators involved in the accident, this has not yet been confirmed.
More informations?
On June 7th 1910 the Freiburger Zeitung reports in their evening edition
In front of the Colmar AC's tribuenes car #57 (owner Heine) lost a rubber wheel and crashed into the trees. two people, the driver and a car's passenger were killed on the spot. One spectator recived injury by flying parts. Owner Heine died later the same day. The race was halted for three quarters of an hour.
Two days later there was another report in the Freiburger Zeitung.
The name of the passenger was given as Fritz Abenstedt. Abenstedt was the raceofficial for this car. Each car has to carry a raceofficial. Name of the driver was Brunnhuber. The Owner was hurt, but not dead. There were no fatalities among the by-standers.
A single 60 hp. Berliet, always referred to as "The Kaiserpreis Berliet," came to Australia, was shown and raced in Sydney, and probably ended its days carting wheat in South Australia. Was this a Berliet model type, or an actual competition car?
It would help if months were always named, as dates expressed 'XII.VI.08' can be read as either December 6 or July 12 outside Europe.
It would help if months were always named, as dates expressed 'XII.VI.08' can be read as either December 6 or July 12 outside Europe.
The Berliet, as driven by Jean Porporato during the 1907 and 1908 seasons in races of the 8-litre and 130-mm-bore formulae, was based on the 40/50-hp production type:
6,3 litre, 4-cylinder (in pairs) in the bore/stroke dimensions of 120/140 mm, T-head,
wheelbase 320 cm, track 140 cm, chain drive, tyres 910x90 front, 920x120 rear.
The Berliet driven to victory by Porporato in the Targa Bologna/September 1908 was described in the contemporary press as 120/140 mm.
The 60-hp production Berliet displaced 8,6 litres with 140/140 mm - mounted in a similar 320-cm chassis.
These Berliets, and the 24/30-hp (100/120 mm), were also built under license by the American Locomotive Automobile Co. in Providence, Rhode Island - later Alco.
On 31 May 1907, Hutton won the "Graphic Trophy", a 2,33 km hillclimb near Ramsey/Isle of Man, in a 60-hp Berliet, ahead of Watson and Porporato in 40-hp Berliets. Maybe the 60-hp which ended up in Australia was this 60-hp.
6,3 litre, 4-cylinder (in pairs) in the bore/stroke dimensions of 120/140 mm, T-head,
wheelbase 320 cm, track 140 cm, chain drive, tyres 910x90 front, 920x120 rear.
The Berliet driven to victory by Porporato in the Targa Bologna/September 1908 was described in the contemporary press as 120/140 mm.
The 60-hp production Berliet displaced 8,6 litres with 140/140 mm - mounted in a similar 320-cm chassis.
These Berliets, and the 24/30-hp (100/120 mm), were also built under license by the American Locomotive Automobile Co. in Providence, Rhode Island - later Alco.
On 31 May 1907, Hutton won the "Graphic Trophy", a 2,33 km hillclimb near Ramsey/Isle of Man, in a 60-hp Berliet, ahead of Watson and Porporato in 40-hp Berliets. Maybe the 60-hp which ended up in Australia was this 60-hp.
The 1909 Prinz Heinrich Fahrt is considered to be a pivotal moment in the history of Hungarian motorsport.
It was the first proper Hungarian automobile racing event, as the route went through Hungary and some Hungarian made cars also appeared at the race. Now I have some photos from this event, but most of those came from contemporary magazines.
Do you know any source where they keep original photos on this event?
It was the first proper Hungarian automobile racing event, as the route went through Hungary and some Hungarian made cars also appeared at the race. Now I have some photos from this event, but most of those came from contemporary magazines.
Do you know any source where they keep original photos on this event?
QUOTE (pnegyesi @ Oct 23 2009, 05:21)
The 1909 Prinz Heinrich Fahrt is considered to be a pivotal moment in the history of Hungarian motorsport.
It was the first proper Hungarian automobile racing event, as the route went through Hungary and some Hungarian made cars also appeared at the race. Now I have some photos from this event, but most of those came from contemporary magazines.
Do you know any source where they keep original photos on this event?
It was the first proper Hungarian automobile racing event, as the route went through Hungary and some Hungarian made cars also appeared at the race. Now I have some photos from this event, but most of those came from contemporary magazines.
Do you know any source where they keep original photos on this event?
There's a sequence at Ullstein Bild, seemingly taken at one of the controls (not sure how the motor boats at Monaco fit though!)
http://www.ullsteinbild.de/search.php?sear...h&date=1909
Apparently just one in the vast Getty Archive:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/56465049/Hulton-Archive
QUOTE (Vitesse2 @ Oct 23 2009, 11:45)
There's a sequence at Ullstein Bild, seemingly taken at one of the controls (not sure how the motor boats at Monaco fit though!)
http://www.ullsteinbild.de/search.php?sear...h&date=1909
Apparently just one in the vast Getty Archive:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/56465049/Hulton-Archive
http://www.ullsteinbild.de/search.php?sear...h&date=1909
Apparently just one in the vast Getty Archive:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/56465049/Hulton-Archive
Thanks for the links
Robert, many thanks for your response of 20 Sept last (away from home, I hadn't checked earlier). Unfortunately, I don't think cylinder dimensions were ever quoted for the car in Australia.
QUOTE (' date='Nov 11 2000, 09:53)
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1910 was the last genuine Prinz Heinrich-Fahrt, but on the initiative of Prince henry of Prussia a touristic event was held under that name, starting in Germany and finishing in Great Britain.
By that time, the Alpine Trial in Austria had taken over as the most important continental reliability event, first held in 1910 and then annually until 1914.
Martin Pfundner
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