Timstr11
May 6 2010, 12:49
korzeniow
May 6 2010, 12:51
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ May 6 2010, 13:46)

I wonder where the airbox entry will appear.
maby here:
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 13:00
Looks like an entry. Hopefully we'll see photographs of the fully covered car when they're queuing for scrutineering.
korzeniow
May 6 2010, 13:24
Or maby it's an entry for new f-duct?
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 13:30
In any case, the air intake has been replaced.
The air intake acoustics will have been retuned by Mercedes HPE, to retain an optimal air supply to the engine.
We may see a
Champcar type air intake, located further back on the engine cover.
merschu
May 6 2010, 13:33
Here is better picture of the MGP motor-home, according to a German article this Mercedes motor home is on loan from the DTM team.
ivand911
May 6 2010, 13:43
DanardiF1
May 6 2010, 13:44
SchumiBoy
May 6 2010, 13:47
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ May 6 2010, 13:44)

What they did with the crash structure makes sense now
Hacklerf
May 6 2010, 13:47
That looks awesome, not seen anything like that before
Rambazamba
May 6 2010, 13:48
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ May 6 2010, 14:44)

Great. I always thought the airbox restrictions are very tight, looks like a clever approach.
Another photo of the new airbox:
http://xpb.cc/viewpicture.asp?id=364739Now the construction of the MGP roll bar makes sense to me. I always wondered why they chose this centered design in combination with the old, conventional airbox.
DanardiF1
May 6 2010, 13:50
QUOTE (Rambazamba @ May 6 2010, 14:48)

Great. I always thought the airbox restrictions are very tight, looks like a clever approach.
It's kinda reminiscent of the LMP Audi solution to the Aero-orientated roll-bar, though their's doesn't need to have a T-bar camera on it... but a similar idea.
Disgrace
May 6 2010, 13:52
Innovation! Ban it immediately!
Seriously, helmet not about to get in the way of it?
I love innovation, and this is certainly on of the most radical things I've seen the past couple of years. Awesome little trick from the men from Brackley.
Captain Tightpants
May 6 2010, 13:56
I think I'll have to see a better shot - ie the whole car - before I pass judgement.
Don_Humpador
May 6 2010, 13:59
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ May 6 2010, 14:44)

Cool stuff
korzeniow
May 6 2010, 13:59
It looks awesome!

Wow. Genuinely: wow.
Another photo:
http://xpb.cc/viewpicture.asp?id=364740It looks indeed very radical. The development of the airbox must have been started long ago. They already planned this design when they developed the chassis.
SchumiBoy
May 6 2010, 14:03
QUOTE (Don_Humpador @ May 6 2010, 13:59)

Cool stuff

The coolest part is that this has been there the whole time. One of the first things people noticed on the car was that the airbox and crash structure were seperate
QUOTE (DanardiF1 @ May 6 2010, 15:44)

What if this is another Red Bull like opponents fooling trick?
BenettonB192
May 6 2010, 14:04
It's very cool to see innovation in that area of the car. Didn't expect that.
Captain Tightpants
May 6 2010, 14:06
Is it just me, or does that new cowling fall away very steeply?
ivand911
May 6 2010, 14:07
Finally some changes. Hope it work. Want to see the nose now. Maybe there will be another WOW.
Rambazamba
May 6 2010, 14:07
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ May 6 2010, 14:06)

Is it just me, or does that new cowling fall away very steeply?
I think so too, yes. Will be interesting to see the car as a whole
Yes, there is no bulky 'head' so in naked eye to looks very odd. If it is steeper than the one before, I am not too sure. Looks like they are identical to me... but I have nothing, no reference to measure the length nor height, to judge it upon.
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 14:11
PayasYouRace
May 6 2010, 14:17
That new airbox looks amazing. I really wasn't expecting anything that radical in that area of the car, but I can understand the shape they chose for the early season now. I wonder if other teams will copy (next year)?
f1rules
May 6 2010, 14:17
I quess this will help both provide more clean air to the rearwing and reduce drag at the same time or what do you think
CaptainJackSparrow
May 6 2010, 14:18
I can't help but think that this must have been something other teams have evaluated before and decided not to go with, so I wonder just how effective it will prove to be.
Suspect this could be like BMW's b-spec car last year, looked a bit out there in areas, but didn't exactly go so fast.
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 14:19
QUOTE (f1rules @ May 6 2010, 16:17)

I quess this will help both provide more clean air to the rearwing and reduce drag at the same time or what do you think
Both, yes.
PayasYouRace
May 6 2010, 14:22
QUOTE (f1rules @ May 6 2010, 15:17)

I quess this will help both provide more clean air to the rearwing and reduce drag at the same time or what do you think
Indeed. The standard airbox arrangement masks the rear wing in a big way. This actually reminds me of the Benetton B188/189 which had the airbox intakes over the sidepod tops and gave a relatively clear path to the rear wing.
Captain Tightpants
May 6 2010, 14:25
QUOTE (Rambazamba @ May 7 2010, 00:07)

I think so too, yes. Will be interesting to see the car as a whole
If it drops away that steeply, then the engine is mounted low in the car. Reminds me of the old CART cars circa 1995/6.
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 14:25
QUOTE (CaptainJackSparrow @ May 6 2010, 16:18)

I can't help but think that this must have been something other teams have evaluated before and decided not to go with, so I wonder just how effective it will prove to be.
Suspect this could be like BMW's b-spec car last year, looked a bit out there in areas, but didn't exactly go so fast.
Really?
A roll structure constructed as one pillar, instead of a hoop or triangle is a genuine innovation.
I reckon it's not easy to design it light enough and with enough strenght to pass the mandatory FIA crash test.
depailler on tyrrell p34
May 6 2010, 14:30
if you look
http://immagini.alvolante.it/sites/default...s_f1_2010_0.jpg the pillar there was also in the first 4 gp...I think that they have already pass the crash test....
SchumiBoy
May 6 2010, 14:32
QUOTE (depailler on tyrrell p34 @ May 6 2010, 14:30)

if you look
http://immagini.alvolante.it/sites/default...s_f1_2010_0.jpg the pillar there was also in the first 4 gp...I think that they have already pass the crash test....
exactly
Very radical,excellent work. Hope it pays off in terms of performance gains. Looks as though the net surface area of the inlet has now decreased,slightly?
ivand911
May 6 2010, 14:33
Did they decided not to use it in Bahrain before upgrading the car(sorting out the mistakes)?
Captain Tightpants
May 6 2010, 14:43
QUOTE (ivand911 @ May 7 2010, 00:33)

Did they decided not to use it in Bahrain before upgrading the car(sorting out the mistakes)?
There is nothing to indicate they had this design ready for Bahrain. In fact, Mercedes have lengthend their car overall ahead of Barcelona, so they would have had to have re-made all the bodywork to fit the new chassis base.
Hacklerf
May 6 2010, 14:49
I believe the chassis base is the same, but it is the front wheels which have move forward?
Timstr11
May 6 2010, 14:50
QUOTE (depailler on tyrrell p34 @ May 6 2010, 16:30)

if you look
http://immagini.alvolante.it/sites/default...s_f1_2010_0.jpg the pillar there was also in the first 4 gp...I think that they have already pass the crash test....
I know the structure was there from the start. According to the rules, you can't do a new crash structure anyway.
I guess they needed some time to workout the intake acoustics for the new arranagement, which invloves Mercedes HPE as well.
King Six
May 6 2010, 14:52
That looks far too unique, ban merc works
depailler on tyrrell p34
May 6 2010, 14:53
I think that they were ready, from this year the central part of the car must be approved at the beggining of the year and after that you can't touch it (virgin received a special new approved)..autosprint (italian magazine) at the presenatation of the car reported that the pillar was structural and this allowed future and possible modification at the engine cover without change the central part of the car....but it's so radical now! ;-)
depailler on tyrrell p34
May 6 2010, 14:54
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ May 6 2010, 16:50)

I know the structure was there from the start. According to the rules, you can't do a new crash structure anyway.
I guess they needed some time to workout the intake acoustics for the new arranagement, which invloves Mercedes HPE as well.
ivand911
May 6 2010, 14:58
Still, no shark fin and F-duct(McLaren style).
Rambazamba
May 6 2010, 15:00
QUOTE (ivand911 @ May 6 2010, 15:58)

Still, no shark fin and F-duct(McLaren style).
I´ve read somewhere today that they´ll have a improved version of the passive system which was used in Shanghai here. The final F-duct should be ready for Istanbul.
looks slick, can't wait to see the rest of the car
ivand911
May 6 2010, 15:03
Gilles4Ever
May 6 2010, 15:05
But in overall terms the change is only likely to be worth a small gain and not as important as the expected layout change or f-duct rear wing.
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/s...roll-structure/
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