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Lewis : 615.426
Button: 122.131

Irrefutable evidence.

Jenson isn't even close by this measure. Lewis is a marketing manager's dream.

Even accountants love Lewis more than Jense.

He did but barely. It was all about Button as per usual.

Excellent. I like it!!

Whenever there is a survey on here, it is the same too. Button fans certainly punch above their weight on this thread though.

Not in terms of quantity or volume they don't.

Or quality.

More evidence of Lewis's unmatched popularity.

He's the celebrity MOST likely to persuade consumers to buy a product, but lower down in the Top 10 most trustworthy celebrities. Above Chris Moyles though. Phew.

Righto.

I come on here most days, and find a lot of postings intelligent, informative, and occasionally humorous.
Its clear to me, that the “Lewis” fans are generally a lot younger than the “Jenson” fans.

I support both, as they are Brits, in a Brit team. I do have a bias towards Jenson, probably because I met him once, and he comes across on the TV as a more likeable Human being.
A mate of mines son has met Lewis, he said he could not have been nicer, and is now a big fan.
My point is, Both are great drivers, I think the two sides to this argument/discussion are based on personalities, in and out of the Car.
I agree, Lewis is generally a bit quicker, especially if the car is a bit out of balance, but from what I have observed this year [I have been watching GP since the 70’s ] generally in the races, the margin between then is minimal, and can sway both ways.
Lewis needs to engage brain a bit more before right foot, and Jenson needs to improve his qualifying and be a little more aggressive.

Mclaren, apart from being disappointed not to win the Constructors, [ drivers is unlikely, but I hope Lewis does it ] must be Chuffed with there 2 drivers, not only do they get on, but if one falters the other is there to bring home the points.

IMO, for anyone who has not competed at a decent level in motorsport to say Lewis/Jenson is poor, makes mistakes etc, and all the other numerous criticisms of both drivers I read on here, should really get out of there arm chair and have a go if possible, maybe, just maybe then, you would have a lot more respect for what these Guys can do in a Racing car.

However, I guess 549/550 pages of chit chat would not happen then

It is a fair article. He didn't say much about Hamilton because there wasn't much to say. The evidence speaks for itself. He's had a good year with 1-2 mistakes.

Button though there is more to talk about, engineers, poor qualifying, unable to heat the tyres etc etc. I thought the article was quite critical of Button, it basically saying he should and needs to do better next year.

Not fogetting the implications at all, its implied and assumed by me that Button has failed to win the WDC this year with a car capable. Hamilton fans are making the excuse that it is the 3rd best car, but I would say OVER THE SEASON it has been the 2nd best equal. Its just a poor convenient excuse to base the defence on the competitiveness NOW.

Had Button not been punted by Vettel in Spa, had be not spun off in qualifying in Malaysia and had his qualifying performances in Silverstone, Hungary and Korea been much better he could have won this title. I'm quite calm and realistic about that. Shame that you go off the scale to deny that had Hamilton not crashed in Monza and Singapore and not gifted Alonso places in Korea and Brazil then he could have won the title. He could have. It makes no difference if it was the 5th best car. He could have, based on what actually happened to his competitors this season and how 4 very slight changes to brake application could have made all the difference.

I think he only needs a car 100% to his style. I think he is more than good enough driver.

He's only 24 points behind in a maiden season with McLaren with a new car, lots of issues with it, lots of engineer changes and Vettel wiping him out of 2nd place in Spa.

He can still beat Hamilton over a season despite giving away a bit in performance. You have been showing for a year you don't understand how that would be possible.

Yes he did.

Makes you wonder why Victoria Beckham, Wayne Rooney and Kate Moss continue to get so many ad campaigns. Very odd.

no one is saying with the way Red Bull have executed, he couldnt have....sht he still can!

the point is if its a fair assessment or utter tripe to say he has given "poor return on his equipment". (A statement that will imply Mclaren need to replace Button next year )

He's driven brilliantly overrall...and barring his reliability woes, even with Monza...he would be there with a shout.

Equal 2nd best? The analysis has been done in a bunch of threads and clear consensus is that is untrue, which it is... But you dont need analysis to figure that out, the Ferrari has been the better car over the season for anyone who's been paying attention... and those will also know, Lewis had no chance of keeping Alonso behind until the chequered flag in Korea or Brazil.

Im sure somewhere behind the Button bitterness, you know all these to be truths

The personality stuff is purely subjective, i.e. I think Hamilton comes across a much more likeable human being on the TV plus I've met him and he is even more likable in person. The British thing is irrelevant to me, although I would expect British TV to be as supportive to both drivers, just like other countries' TV broadcasters are supportive to their countrymen.

Re. the driving, I cannot see how you can say the margin is minimal. Hamilton is by far the superior driver.

Look at this!



From Whitless.

Why the heck didn't they promise and deliver this all season?

This should be their mantra starting next March!!!

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12479_6498447,00.html

The factors being weather (I believe there will be 'weather' in 2011) competitors crashing, suffering penalties (I believe there will be 'racing'next year).

The main variable is if Hamilton improves his consistency over the whole season. Not much Button will be able to do about that I doubt.

Just change Jensons 1 for a 2 then which I would agree to and leave Hamiltons strike rate fairly at 3 and stop claiming Hamilton is perfect and there is really nothing he can improve because if you said that to his face he'd laugh at you. 3rd best car? Was it the 3rd best car in Canada, Monza, Turkey, Silverstone, Spa, etc etc... Really?

What team has ever delivered the above for a whole season?

Why the heck didn't Lewis drive the race of his life every weekend? Same answer.

I suspect the vast majority of Hamilton fans don't time the difference in exposure and don't spend the rest of their lives sticking pins in a Jenson Button doll.

Nobody asked me to vote...

Given that 3/4 of the stuff posted on this thread is imo rubbish, I fail to see how analysis on another thread is somehow irefutable evidence that the McLaren was the 3rd best car this season. Without reading the thread I can be sure that somewhere along the line the speed of the drivers would have to have been estimated...

He always puts in 100%.

Just a suggeastion, why don't you start a separate thread about Whitmarsh and the world that is unfair on Hamiltion because you seem to have so much material that you post here which I have to wade through every day.

And so do the team.

I'm amazed you can't see the parallel.

The 2 races where Jense has crossed the line ahead of his teammate were races where his teammate had made an extra stop.

How many of those is he going to get next year?

I'm amazed you keep coming back and missing the point.



They certainly have NOT provided this at every race for Lewis in 2010!

Explain it again.

I really don't understand how people can say McLaren is a lousy team and Lewis deserves better. McLaren is a great team. Not really a fan but damn their good. I didn't see Hamiltons or Buttons front tire wobbling around like Massa's at Brazil.

So would it have made a difference if he had not taken the extra stops?

I am sure they promised and attempted to deliver this all season. Just internally, rather than to the press.

No,they haven't.
And he hasn't been great every weekend.

Why has Lewis let the team down this year? Why hasn't he performed at the highest level every weekend? Wibble wibble.

lol just try reversing the names and you get THIS
So i guess not quite so irrefutable at all

Er, yeah, Lewis still wins.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was disappointed that when I clicked on that link I didn't get this

Those figures were made up by myself as I was laughing my head off at the fact this petty point was even brought up.

no the point i was making and seams to have been lost was about google fights as i see this when i click Buttoneers link


I just reversed the names and dont see the error.

Gareth love that one

....... and yet were it not for the mistakes at Monza and Singapore he would be going into the last race most likely leading the WDC.
The car has been good but not quite good enough especially toward the end of the season. The same could be said about Lewis too, though.

Monza was a pivotal weekend to me (and I said as much at the time). After a great result at Spa the team show up at what should be our best circuit of the season with wings which are not optimised for the track and Lewis makes his biggest driving error of the season.

A good honest post there Mark.
I suppose Lewis fans are likey to be younger on the whole as Lewis himself is alot younger than Jenson and Lewis's arrival in F1 seemed to come with almost instant success. I've met both Lewis and Jenson and both were very pleasant and didn't make you feel like you were taking up too much of their time. I've also met Michael Schumacher and although I haven't always agreed with his antics on track, in person he's one of the nicest people you'll meet. Most of the hatred on he internet for any driver comes from sections of fans who have a) never met the person they are criticizing, and b) are spurred on by trashy tabloid journalism. At the end of the day both Jenson and Lewis are formed WDC's and great drivers in their own right.

Well it's the ~25 seconds and being stuck behind other cars...

well surely then you have to say that is even more true of Jenson as clearly he is in the same car yet has been out performed over the course of the season by Lewis.

Yes, if all else fails, say it was all Hamilton's fault and the whole championship hinged on the one weekend where he made a major error. None of the other factors such as car reliability and strategy had anything to do with it. It has already been established that Hamilton lost more points through factors he had no control of than his own errors. Really pathetic I think.

Yep. And you should bring that up next time a Button fan berates the team for not being perfect.

Bit harsh that. He was doing his best.

Did you notice I was saying that that was what the other guy was saying. That's not my view - or were you being sarcastic?

Now I'm confused.

Nice post too .

Dunno about the ages of their fans, I can see how Brits starting to follow F1 between 2000 and 2006 would naturally take to Jense, but I'd imagine there are lots like me who started earlier and simply see something in Hammy - for me, the likeability I missed in Mansell, the speed I missed in Damon and the attack I miss in JB.

I don't think he blamed everything on Lewis at all.