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Lights

Mar 14 2010, 14:58

QUOTE (Grenada @ Mar 14 2010, 15:53)

I agree with that. McLaren is 4th in strength, but Lewis makes it 3rd due to his personal performance.

McLaren is easily 3rd in strength. Button was faster than the Mercedes drivers, finished behind them because of qualifying.

I think McLaren aren't that strong on soft tyres as they are on the hard tyres.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:01

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Mar 14 2010, 14:53)

we shouldnt overreact and dismiss Button as a Kov. part 2 after just one race.

With that being said, the diff. in race pace when both were in relatively clear air was btw 8tenths and a second. thats prettey massive.

The track is a long one so that might magnify things a bit, but I dont see Button clawing away all that advantage by settling in the car better or having a faster car.

A lot of pundits have been saying Lewis will edge Button in qualy but Buttons silky smooveness gives him advantage on race day....

but Lewis is confirming like a bunch of us already knew...Lewis is fantastic in qualy but is probably more immense on race day. He was lapping at the pace of the leaders when he was in clear air with a car that is atleast 7tenths down in qualy pace.

Jenson most definitely has his hands full...

Agreed, but anyone who claimed Button is or was better than Hamilton, have been deluded themselves. Hamilton is a fighter and rarely knows how to give up, he does not wait for others to make mistakes, he usually pushes on and makes his own luck, most of Hamilton's mistakes comes from pushing beyond the sernario he is in, that is only because he is giving it more than his all.

Jenson is more patient than smooth, the smooth is a myth, a smooth driver is likely to be smooth even in dirty air, when Jenson is in dirty air he locks up just as much as anyone else.

Hamilton is also more adaptable, adapt against a 2WDC, winning a championship without a team mates help, adapting in a dog of a car and again showing drivers skill in a pretty bad car once again.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:02

QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 14 2010, 14:58)

McLaren is easily 3rd in strength. Button was faster than the Mercedes drivers, finished behind them because of qualifying.

I think McLaren aren't that strong on soft tyres as they are on the hard tyres.

No i think they just didn't or couldn't push as hard as they could have because they were worried, Jenson said in his post race interview that the tyres worked and held on much better than he and the team expected and he should have pushed alot more than he did, he was to conservative.

Both Lweis and Jenson held up in the first stint so can't really gauge how fast they were on the soft.

Lights

Mar 14 2010, 15:03

QUOTE (Jeag @ Mar 14 2010, 16:02)

No i think they just didn't or couldn't push as hard as they could have because they were worried, Jenson said in his post race interview that the tyres worked and held on much better than he and the team expected and he should have pushed alot more than he did, he was to conservative.

Could be, but that certainly would make McLaren the 3rd best team in terms of performance.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:04

QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 14 2010, 15:03)

Could be, but that certainly would make McLaren the 3rd best team in terms of performance.

Lewis made the car look like 3rd best, you certainly could not have come to that conclusion by watching Button all weekend.

Lights

Mar 14 2010, 15:06

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 16:04)

Lewis made the car look like 3rd best, you certainly could not have come to that conclusion by watching Button all weekend.

Why not? He was obviously faster than Schumacher at the end of the race. McLaren didn't approach this weekend well enough, especially qualifying.

You will see in Melbourne they are easily the 3rd team, and there I hope they will be closer to Red Bull and Ferrari.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:08

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 15:04)

Lewis made the car look like 3rd best, you certainly could not have come to that conclusion by watching Button all weekend.

Err yes you could, Jensons racepace was better than shumis and rosbergs after the pits.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:08

QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 14 2010, 15:06)

Why not? He was obviously faster than Schumacher at the end of the race. McLaren didn't approach this weekend well enough, especially qualifying.

You will see in Melbourne they are easily the 3rd team, and there I hope they will be closer to Red Bull and Ferrari.

Then he should qualified faster than schumacher and Rosberg?

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:10

QUOTE (Jeag @ Mar 14 2010, 15:08)

Err yes you could, Jensons racepace was better than shumis and rosbergs after the pits.

Which is pretty irrelevant if you can't qualify better than a 41 year old who needs more races to loosen and catch up.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:12

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 15:10)

Which is pretty irrelevant if you can't qualify better than a 41 year old who needs more races to loosen and catch up.

Which is exactly my point in this thread full of clueless people here simply to bash Jensons race when he probably got the most out of it he possibly could have.

Jensons qualifying was shit he needs to improve.

Also just trying to say the McL is better than we first thought which is positive on which i hope is one of the cars worst tracks( probably the wrong thread for this:p)

Lights

Mar 14 2010, 15:12

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 16:08)

Then he should qualified faster than schumacher and Rosberg?

There was a huge difference between McLaren's pace in qualifying and the race. Just look at Hamilton; in qualifying he was only 0,024 seconds infront of Rosberg. In the race he annihilated him after the pitstops to finish 20 seconds ahead. Why didn't Lewis qualify half a second in front of him? Same question...

mclarenproject4

Mar 14 2010, 15:14

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 16:08)

Then he should qualified faster than schumacher and Rosberg?

Poor button is yet to beat Nigel Mansell's time on the top gear track & you talk about beating schumi & rosberg?

And who coined the term "Silky smooth Button"? James Allen I suppose

stuckinsecond

Mar 14 2010, 15:14

QUOTE (Jose Mourinho is Special @ Mar 14 2010, 22:40)

Either Jenson's car was sabotaged

Can someone explain how he was lapping 1sec slower than the other McLaren

Because the driver of the other McLaren was Lewis. Stating that Jenson's car was sabotaged is truly offensive to the team. Really poor statement by you.

By the way, anyone heard from Timba? Timba, you there mate?

Seriously though, we knew it would be difficult for Jenson. He's great when the car is perfect but he can't drive around problems like Lewis can. This was further highlighted when Lewis experienced problems with the rear brakes and the team instructed him to adjust the bias towards the front. His lap times barely suffered from it.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:15

QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 14 2010, 15:12)

There was a huge difference between McLaren's pace in qualifying and the race. Just look at Hamilton; in qualifying he was only 0,024 seconds infront of Rosberg. In the race he annihilated him after the pitstops to finish 20 seconds ahead. Why didn't Lewis qualify half a second in front of him? Same question...

Still qualified in front and that is all that matters, Button was a near half second slower than Hamilton in the same car.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:20

QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Mar 14 2010, 14:37)

yeah surprisingly no one here anymore?

Jensons fans are here, not posting like 10 year olds.

Lights

Mar 14 2010, 15:21

QUOTE (Anamihamilton @ Mar 14 2010, 16:15)

Still qualified in front and that is all that matters, Button was a near half second slower than Hamilton in the same car.

I knew you would give that answer, but it still explains that there certainly was a difference in performance. Hamilton could not know he would be ahead of Rosberg with his lap, so he as well got the maximum out of it, and just barely got in front. I suspect from now on McLaren will be more competitive in qualifying.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:21

QUOTE (mclarenproject4 @ Mar 14 2010, 15:14)

Poor button is yet to beat Nigel Mansell's time on the top gear track & you talk about beating schumi & rosberg?

And who coined the term "Silky smooth Button"? James Allen I suppose

He is silky smooth,dunno what point your trying to make mate.

mclarenproject4

Mar 14 2010, 15:22

QUOTE (Jeag @ Mar 14 2010, 16:12)

Which is exactly my point in this thread full of clueless people here simply to bash Jensons race when he probably got the most out of it he possibly could have.

Jensons qualifying was shit he needs to improve.

Well you can excuse if it were someone else driving that car. Its not! The the so called world champion driving it & this is not the kind of performance you'd expect from a reigning world champion. Reflects poorly on himself.

And no one has time to listen to his silly excuses.

BOTTOM LINE: BUTTON IS LAST AMONG THE CHAMPIONS

To make matters worse for his reputation he was trailing a seven time world champ returning to to sport after 3 long years & who was also in a slower car.

This performance today proves that Button is the least deserving champion in the history of this sport.

tkulla

Mar 14 2010, 15:24

QUOTE (Raincoat @ Mar 14 2010, 14:40)

Yes but there was a 5 second gap from Webber and he was lapping almost a second slower than Lewis who was stuck behind Nico. The point is he had clear air and he was far slower than Lewis who was stuck behind Nico.

Ugh. So basically keeping clean air in front of your car until it's time to do something about it (catch up before the pits and then get by there) is somehow a problem?

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:24

QUOTE (mclarenproject4 @ Mar 14 2010, 15:22)

This performance today proves that Button is the least deserving champion in the history of this sport.

Oh dear.

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:27

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 15:24)

Ugh. So basically keeping clean air in front of your car until it's time to do something about it (catch up before the pits and then get by there) is somehow a problem?

Even though on a whole i agree with you, i think Jenson was a bit to conservative this race the tyres lasted fine both soft and hard and even though pushing wouldn't have gained him any more places it would have shown he had better pace then he let off if even just to shut some of these guys up a bit to make life easier for his fans of forums

LoviePants

Mar 14 2010, 15:31

Button can now understand how Alonso felt when he was back footed by his own team. But what else should he expect, it is a team built around Hamilton, Button will not be allowed to challenge Lewis. Button and Massa will become good mates because there will be common ground for them to build a friendship on. "The F1 drivers #1b club!" Pres and founding member Rubens

trogggy

Mar 14 2010, 15:31

QUOTE (mclarenproject4 @ Mar 14 2010, 15:22)

Well you can excuse if it were someone else driving that car. Its not! The the so called world champion driving it & this is not the kind of performance you'd expect from a reigning world champion. Reflects poorly on himself.

And no one has time to listen to his silly excuses.

BOTTOM LINE: BUTTON IS LAST AMONG THE CHAMPIONS

To make matters worse for his reputation he was trailing a seven time world champ returning to to sport after 3 long years & who was also in a slower car.

This performance today proves that Button is the least deserving champion in the history of this sport.

The Merc was a slower car?
In qualifying?
Really?
So you presumably think Nico's a faster driver than Lewis, since he was so close to him in Q3?

It's very generous of you to make that admission.

GoonerLewis

Mar 14 2010, 15:32

Lewis showed today that he can go fast and not destroy his tyres. If pit stops changes to 2 stops per race then this will only benefit Hamilton more. Jenson did ok today, he said that he held back a little too much in the race.

But come on guys we all know he won't beat Hamilton in any of the 3 seasons he is contracted for, should of stayed at Mercedes. Hamilton will beat him again in Australia because in Qualifying Jenson won't be able to match him. Jenson will improve as the season goes on and he gets more used to the car but so will Hamilton.

GoonerLewis

Mar 14 2010, 15:33

QUOTE (LoviePants @ Mar 14 2010, 15:31)

Button can now understand how Alonso felt when he was back footed by his own team. But what else should he expect, it is a team built around Hamilton, Button will not be allowed to challenge Lewis. Button and Massa will become good mates because there will be common ground for them to build a friendship on. "The F1 drivers #1b club!" Pres and founding member Rubens

Button can't challenge Lewis, Lewis is too quick for him and its all about Qualifying where Lewis will beat him nearly every time.

grunge

Mar 14 2010, 15:34

hokay...firstly too early to dismiss button as heikki's 2nd coming.he was dismal today but thats just one weekend..i frankly dont expect him to match lewis at any time during the whole season but lets just wait for atleast 2 more weekends

QUOTE (britishtrident @ Mar 14 2010, 18:39)

Jensen is truly great when the car is perfect,

anyone is truly great if the car is perfect TBH...there were people last year including f1 drivers like raikkonen that commented on the brawn car as being better than the drivers made it look.button needs to get his act together otherwise his decision to jump to mclaren will look very very stupid

gaston_foix

Mar 14 2010, 15:35

I'm not a Hammy fan, but "he blew" Button away.

LoviePants

Mar 14 2010, 15:36

QUOTE (GoonerLewis @ Mar 14 2010, 15:33)

Button can't challenge Lewis, Lewis is too quick for him and its all about Qualifying where Lewis will beat him nearly every time.

Keep a close eye on the tire pressures Jensen cuz they might not be what you requested, just ask Alonso!

Paco

Mar 14 2010, 15:36

QUOTE (Grenada @ Mar 14 2010, 10:55)

Oh no, you're still going on about smooth. Aaaarrrgghh!

Soooooo smooth he drove soooo gingerly on those tires he slowed himself down!!! Whats the point of being smooth if you're slow as a result

WheelBanger304

Mar 14 2010, 15:38

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 15:31)

Yes, Lewis gets the nod this weekend. But this is exactly the conditions in which I expected Lewis to have an edge on Jenson... a car that's not quite sorted. I think McLaren will be much better in Australia, so it will interesting to see how to two compare there.

Yeah, let's wait till the car gets sorted. That's when Jenson will find the half a second a lap he needs to start beating Hamilton consistently.

Grenada

Mar 14 2010, 15:38

QUOTE (GoonerLewis @ Mar 14 2010, 15:32)

Lewis showed today that he can go fast and not destroy his tyres. If pit stops changes to 2 stops per race then this will only benefit Hamilton more. Jenson did ok today, he said that he held back a little too much in the race.

But come on guys we all know he won't beat Hamilton in any of the 3 seasons he is contracted for, should of stayed at Mercedes. Hamilton will beat him again in Australia because in Qualifying Jenson won't be able to match him. Jenson will improve as the season goes on and he gets more used to the car but so will Hamilton.

He wasn't wanted at Brawn, and I reckon he skipped to McLaren through fear of being beaten by Rosberg, a guy who's never won a race. Eddie Irvine is of that opinion too.

airwise

Mar 14 2010, 15:38

Hamilton is capable of gapping pretty much anyone in the field in similar fashion - the guy has phenomenal race pace. It doesn't mean Button is hopeless. Nor did it mean Kovalainen was useless. Or Sutil. Rosberg or all the others that have struggled to come to terms with such relentless speed. The negativity on this board is frankly shocking.

pspidey

Mar 14 2010, 15:41

QUOTE (britishtrident @ Mar 14 2010, 10:39)

Jensen is truly great when the car is perfect, Lewis isn't anything like as smooth as Jensen but drives around problems.

One thing that's apparent... if Button is smooth, then being smooth is waaaaaaay overrated.

stuckinsecond

Mar 14 2010, 15:41

QUOTE (LoviePants @ Mar 14 2010, 23:31)

Button can now understand how Alonso felt when he was back footed by his own team. But what else should he expect, it is a team built around Hamilton, Button will not be allowed to challenge Lewis. Button and Massa will become good mates because there will be common ground for them to build a friendship on. "The F1 drivers #1b club!" Pres and founding member Rubens

I still respect Button. He's an F1 driver who's out there doing his best and hopefully he improves so that McLaren can be in with a chance for the WCC as well.

But I don't respect the Button apologists like yourself and your handy excuse-in-a-box that you have ready. The faster driver is always the No.1.

grunge

Mar 14 2010, 15:42

QUOTE (Grenada @ Mar 14 2010, 19:38)

He wasn't wanted at Brawn, and I reckon he skipped to McLaren through fear of being beaten by Rosberg, a guy who's never won a race. Eddie Irvine is of that opinion too.

if he drives the same way for coming weekends,itll get a lot more emabarassing than losing out to rosberg by 0.2 or 0.3 secs

GoonerLewis

Mar 14 2010, 15:44

QUOTE (LoviePants @ Mar 14 2010, 15:36)

Keep a close eye on the tire pressures Jensen cuz they might not be what you requested, just ask Alonso!

Are you heartbroken that you have finally found out that Button has no chance of beating Lewis? Most fans on here knew that the minute Button signed for Mclaren. Jenson is a good driver and a worthy world champion but not in the same league as Hamilton, Alonso or Vettel.

I hope your gonna come in here every race weekend with another excuse because it will make alot of people laugh.

inca_roads

Mar 14 2010, 15:45

I said before the season started that people who thought Hamilton would excel in qualifying relative to the race might be surprised. His race pace is nearly always relentlessly brilliant.

It's only 1 race, have to bear that in mind. It's not over. But Lewis was much quicker today; he'd have been 30 seconds ahead if not for being held up in the first stint. And I don't believe for one second as some have suggested that Jenson was held up in the first stint - he was well over a second behind the car ahead for nearly all of it, and would surely have tried to at least apply a little pressure on the car ahead if he could, even if it was for a few laps before backing off. He wouldn't know when Webber was going to stop, either, so would want to be as close as possible for that reason also. It's standard practice.

Yorkie

Mar 14 2010, 15:45

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 14:22)

Wow, some real knee-jerk reactions here. One race and Button is crap? Seriously?

I actually watched the race along with the live timing, and if you were paying attention you'd have noticed that Button never had clear track. Lewis came alive once he got by Rosberg, but before then he was much slower. Jenson managed to get by Mark Webber in the pits but was stuck behind Schumi for the rest of the race. He easily closed down the 4 sec. gap to Michael, but passing on the track wasn't possible.

McLaren needs to sort out their qualy issues, and I think they will. This weekend I think they miscalculated a bit on the aero side and didn't have the downforce they needed (that can happen with a modified track).

As for Lewis versus Jenson, I'm pleased with both of their performances today. Lewis did a nice job to get Nico in the pits and was a bit fortunate to get third instead of fourth due to Seb's problem. Button did well to beat Webber and pressured the Mercedes cars.

There wasnt a period in the race when Button was ever lapping as quick as Lewis, even when Lewis was held up by Rosberg, and most of the time Button wasnt even being held up, running 2 seconds behind someone isnt being held, running 0.6s behind Rosberg was being held up.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:46

QUOTE (Yorkie @ Mar 14 2010, 15:45)

There wasnt a period in the race when Button was ever lapping as quick as Lewis, even when Lewis was held up by Rosberg, and most of the time Button wasnt even being held up, running 2 seconds behind someone isnt being held, running 0.6s behind Rosberg was being held up.

There was also a time when Button had clear air, he still done nothing with it.

stuckinsecond

Mar 14 2010, 15:47

QUOTE (airwise @ Mar 14 2010, 23:38)

Hamilton is capable of gapping pretty much anyone in the field in similar fashion - the guy has phenomenal race pace. It doesn't mean Button is hopeless. Nor did it mean Kovalainen was useless. Or Sutil. Rosberg or all the others that have struggled to come to terms with such relentless speed. The negativity on this board is frankly shocking.

You know the guy is quick when we saw him go from 18th in the opening laps of the Turkey GP2 race in 2006 and finish in 2nd, noting that GP2 is a one-make series so all cars are the same with the only differences being team preparation and driver ability. To overtake 17 of your peers in the same car is almost unheard off.

pspidey

Mar 14 2010, 15:48

QUOTE (LoviePants @ Mar 14 2010, 11:31)

Button can now understand how Alonso felt when he was back footed by his own team. But what else should he expect, it is a team built around Hamilton, Button will not be allowed to challenge Lewis. Button and Massa will become good mates because there will be common ground for them to build a friendship on. "The F1 drivers #1b club!" Pres and founding member Rubens

Lame, lame, lame. He got beat pure and simple. There's no grand conspiracies. Drivers like Lewis don't need a team to prevent their teammate from competing. They just beat them on the track.

It's a shame some can't handle the truth.

tkulla

Mar 14 2010, 15:49

I think people need to calm down a bit. Lewis had a good race today, but only because he got by Nico at the stops. If he hadn't, he would have finished about four seconds in front of Jenson as part of a Mercedes GP/McLaren train.

Yorkie

Mar 14 2010, 15:53

QUOTE (Jeag @ Mar 14 2010, 14:40)

Some of you guys are like Vicious Lions that seriously need to get out more, calling Jenson names because he had a not so good first race for McL which mainly came down to his shit qualifying is very very sad. Calm down, he will have better races.

Really good drive from Ham today, nice Podium.

1 - 0 to the Hamster

It wasnt bad qualifying, that was his pace as witnessed in the race, you cant qualify higher than what youre actually capable of

Lights

Mar 14 2010, 15:53

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 16:49)

I think people need to calm down a bit. Lewis had a good race today, but only because he got by Nico at the stops. If he hadn't, he would have finished about four seconds in front of Jenson as part of a Mercedes GP/McLaren train.

Button was quite lucky to get Webber back at the stops though. The team did an awesome job there. With Lewis and Nico it was just the case of pitting a lap earlier. Button did not get that luxury.

Anamihamilton

Mar 14 2010, 15:54

QUOTE (LoviePants @ Mar 14 2010, 15:31)

Button can now understand how Alonso felt when he was back footed by his own team. But what else should he expect, it is a team built around Hamilton, Button will not be allowed to challenge Lewis. Button and Massa will become good mates because there will be common ground for them to build a friendship on. "The F1 drivers #1b club!" Pres and founding member Rubens

And the reason for Hamilton losing his race engineer, and being forced to share his data with Button, having the car set in neutral though knowing Hamilton's driving style very well is? Have you been to Woking, have you heard the facts coming out of the centre, like Jenson button being given most of the attention?

All that matters is race day and what a driver does with the car he is given, hopefully the car is in great shape, but you cannot blame Hamilton for Button's P*SS POOR performance today. Button is just not current WDC, he has been in F1 years longer than Hamilton and McLaren have gone out of their way to get the car more suited to Button styles than Hamilton's, hence the lack of pace on that car.

It is beyond time McLaren focusses back on Hamilton, once the car is back to his competitive level, is when BOTH driver will have a pretty mean machine to go challenge the title with.

GoonerLewis

Mar 14 2010, 15:54

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 15:49)

I think people need to calm down a bit. Lewis had a good race today, but only because he got by Nico at the stops. If he hadn't, he would have finished about four seconds in front of Jenson as part of a Mercedes GP/McLaren train.

If he hadn't of made a mistake Rosberg wouldn't of got past him and he wouldn'y of got stuck behind Rosberg for 15 laps and he could of finished closer to the Ferrari's.

pspidey

Mar 14 2010, 15:56

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 11:49)

I think people need to calm down a bit. Lewis had a good race today, but only because he got by Nico at the stops. If he hadn't, he would have finished about four seconds in front of Jenson as part of a Mercedes GP/McLaren train.

I agree that some (maybe including me, a little), maybe overreacting a little. I think it's way too early to be writing Jenson off and concluding that his performances all year will be the same as this. However, personally, my expectations going in was that he would perform similarly to Heikki, who I think has been underrated after being paired with Lewis.

As far as this race - whose to say Lewis wouldn't have gotten past Nico anyway - I wouldn't put that past Lewis. He makes things happen on the track; which is one of the reasons I rate him above Jenson.

Yorkie

Mar 14 2010, 15:57

QUOTE (trogggy @ Mar 14 2010, 14:42)

I think I need a new television.

In the race I watched Hamilton lost a place at the start, and was lucky to get it back 'cos Button (legitimately) blocked Nico's exit from the pits; he then passed a broken Red Bull...
Meanwhile Button held his place at the start and was lucky to pass MW in pit-stops. Neither of them passed a healthy car.
Now that can't be right - otherwise how could one of them be a superstar and the other deserve the sack?
Weird.

I think it has something to do with one driver being able to lap about 0.5s to 1s quicker than the other driver, hi trogggy

Jeag

Mar 14 2010, 15:57

QUOTE (Yorkie @ Mar 14 2010, 15:53)

It wasnt bad qualifying, that was his pace as witnessed in the race, you cant qualify higher than what youre actually capable of

I'm confident Jenson can improve his qualy pace.

King Six

Mar 14 2010, 15:58

QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 14 2010, 15:49)

I think people need to calm down a bit. Lewis had a good race today, but only because he got by Nico at the stops. If he hadn't, he would have finished about four seconds in front of Jenson as part of a Mercedes GP/McLaren train.

Yeah and it was Button passing by just at the right time which triggered that

, some new rule about 5 metres or something and releasing from the pit stop so they couldn't let him out and he lost a position because of that. Didn't quite catch it all when the commentators were explaining it.

McLaren have abit of a notorious reputation when it comes to Hamilton and other drivers. They won't do a Heikki on Button because he's WDC at the end of the day. They won't do an Alonso because they don't want any of that again, but something will eventually happen...

Still, I think everyone always knew Lewis was faster than Button. He shouldn't have gone to that team.