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Lights
QUOTE (femi @ Mar 2 2010, 11:33) *
Basically you are saying it is fine if he means something similar but presented it differently?

No. I didn't say at all it was fine. But why does it have to be taken out of context so badly?

Like this:

QUOTE (stuckinsecond @ Mar 2 2010, 11:24) *
JB: I don't care. I think about myself first and then the team.
What he's really saying: The team better well realise that I'm not going to be a No.2 and I want every opportunity to retain WDC. If I can't be WDC, the team better not think they can rely on me to move over to help Lewis' chances, regardless of whether my championship campaign is mathematically possible or not.

Errr? roflmao.gif

Try it again. But this time even more absurd.
Lights
QUOTE (stuckinsecond @ Mar 2 2010, 11:38) *
It's a losing argument. You know that in this case the quotes are going to come and it's going to be exactly the same as has been reported so far. You'll see in a few days time.

I'd be more than happy to see the quotes exactly the same as reported so far.
fenixracing
lights you seems to be abig button fan and cant stand that he made some bad comments

i hope we dont get another saga like alonso and lewis and this time its not lewis its faultl
lewis always pays respect to button in the press and button doesnt
if somethings goes wrong during the season the press will jump on these comments and its gonna backfire on him
let we all hope that we get a good season for mclaren without any gates or saga's
stuckinsecond
QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 2 2010, 18:41) *
I'd be more than happy to see the quotes exactly the same as reported so far.


Don't worry, you will.
Bonaventura
QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:54) *
lights you seems to be abig button fan and cant stand that he made some bad comments

i hope we dont get another saga like alonso and lewis and this time its not lewis its faultl
lewis always pays respect to button in the press and button doesnt
if somethings goes wrong during the season the press will jump on these comments and its gonna backfire on him
let we all hope that we get a good season for mclaren without any gates or saga's

This season we have really Lewis <> Jenson
on equal stood
Nobody could argue Hamilton has an advantage, bcause of his dad in the garage
because of Ron
because of the longer time Lewis had "his Team"

no Ron
no dad
reshuffled race engineering team
=
absolute equality.
dabrasco
QUOTE (rodoal1515 @ Mar 2 2010, 11:40) *
What would be interesting - to me anyway - is whether the comments had been reversed. I somehow doubt that it would have been made into as big a deal as it has on here if Lewis had said what Jenson is supposed to have said. If anything, people would have still got on Jenson's case for not wanting it enough.


lol.gif

I can promise you there will already be a seperate thread with atleast 5 pages within 24 hours. Lewis has been severely castigated for way less
Lights
Almost every post here takes it out of context, that's the thing.

QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:54) *
lewis always pays respect to button in the press and button doesnt
if somethings goes wrong during the season the press will jump on these comments and its gonna backfire on him

Like, how did you even come up with that sentence? He has said plenty of positive things about Lewis, that just all seems to be forgotten since 1 new story is out.

Nobody wants gates or saga's and I doubt they will. Button should know he shouldn't say these things, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until the real story comes out.
Lights
QUOTE (stuckinsecond @ Mar 2 2010, 11:58) *
Don't worry, you will.

I don't worry.
The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 2 2010, 11:01) *
This season we have really Lewis <> Jenson
on equal stood
Nobody could argue Hamilton has an advantage, bcause of his dad in the garage
because of Ron
because of the longer time Lewis had "his Team"

no Ron
no dad
reshuffled race engineering team
=
absolute equality.


Don't apply such reasonable logic in your post. down.gif Its not fair. cry.gif You will only force Hamilton detractors to find more obscure, illogical and idiotic reasoning, why Button is struggling against Hamilton. lol.gif
RodrigoL
Storm. In. Teacup.

That's what happens when you take quotes out of context:

QUOTE
Q. Is there any particular skill Jenson has, or anything about the way he does his job that you admire or covet?

LH: At the moment, no.


I can see The Sun's headline now:

QUOTE
Lew don't need him
Hamilton brands teammate Button's skills nothing special..
fenixracing
QUOTE (Lights @ Mar 2 2010, 12:02) *
Almost every post here takes it out of context, that's the thing.


Like, how did you even come up with that sentence? He has said plenty of positive things about Lewis, that just all seems to be forgotten since 1 new story is out.

Nobody wants gates or saga's and I doubt they will. Button should know he shouldn't say these things, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until the real story comes out.



oke i admit that sentence isnt completly right
but fact is that he made a verry bad comment
and dont realy shows respect to his teammate and team
maybe he needs lesson from massa how to deal with the press
i dont think massa is such a fan of alonso after 2007 and the chrashgate witch he still think that cost him the wdc
but still he say things like they are good friends
sometimes its better to give the press a pr answer
fenixracing
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Mar 2 2010, 12:08) *
Storm. In. Teacup.

That's what happens when you take quotes out of context:



I can see The Sun's headline now:


roflmao.gif

they will not because lewis is right tongue.gif
can you name 1 thing that makes him special
Clatter
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Mar 2 2010, 10:08) *


I'll ask again. Where does it say he won't help?
Clatter
QUOTE (femi @ Mar 2 2010, 09:54) *
What does his attitude suggest to you?



Is that the statement of somebody that is going to help or assist?


It says to me that he wants to win the championship himself. It doesn't say he won't help the team if he is out of it. He could still help LH in that case, and still not care if he gets it or not.
fenixracing
what do you expect ppl to think after such comment
tkulla
Wow. I still think this is a nothing story. Sure, it's a quiet news week in F1 and some tabloids might try to make something of it, but there's just nothing here.

And I'm surprised how many F1 fans are clamoring for a public relations answer to every question. Isn't that part of what makes modern F1 sterile and boring? Button told the truth. He didn't say he didn't care about the team - in fact, I'm sure he realizes that a big reason he was brought to McLaren was to help them win that elusive WCC. That's what the team cares about, and I'm sure Button cares about it too (as does Hamilton).

The team will not be upset by this at all. They want their drivers to want to win, and they also know that if the math works out a certain way then one driver will help the other. With modern telemetry it's easy for them to tell exactly what a driver is doing. Button would help Hamilton and vice versa if that situation came up. They wouldn't necessarily like doing it, but they would anyway.
fenixracing
QUOTE (Clatter @ Mar 2 2010, 12:35) *
It says to me that he wants to win the championship himself. It doesn't say he won't help the team if he is out of it. He could still help LH in that case, and still not care if he gets it or not.

so what you are saying if he dont gets it he doesnt mind that his team lose
yeah thats realy teambuilding
Lights
QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 12:22) *
oke i admit that sentence isnt completly right
but fact is that he made a verry bad comment
and dont realy shows respect to his teammate and team
maybe he needs lesson from massa how to deal with the press
i dont think massa is such a fan of alonso after 2007 and the chrashgate witch he still think that cost him the wdc
but still he say things like they are good friends
sometimes its better to give the press a pr answer

Massa actually have been kinda aggressive in the press since his accident, so that I don't follow completely.

Button usually does very well with press and pr, so this comment, if true, is really surprising. Perhaps he changed a little as well.

I agree that it wouldn't be smart and doesn't show respect for Lewis, but it's not like every comment he's made this year has been like that. At all.
Clatter
QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 2 2010, 11:37) *
Wow. I still think this is a nothing story. Sure, it's a quiet news week in F1 and some tabloids might try to make something of it, but there's just nothing here.

And I'm surprised how many F1 fans are clamoring for a public relations answer to every question. Isn't that part of what makes modern F1 sterile and boring? Button told the truth. He didn't say he didn't care about the team - in fact, I'm sure he realizes that a big reason he was brought to McLaren was to help them win that elusive WCC. That's what the team cares about, and I'm sure Button cares about it too (as does Hamilton).

The team will not be upset by this at all. They want their drivers to want to win, and they also know that if the math works out a certain way then one driver will help the other. With modern telemetry it's easy for them to tell exactly what a driver is doing. Button would help Hamilton and vice versa if that situation came up. They wouldn't necessarily like doing it, but they would anyway.


Totally agree. It's amazing how many are making such a big thing of this one comment. Some you expect it of, but others I thought were more intelligent.
Clatter
QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:41) *
so what you are saying if he dont gets it he doesnt mind that his team lose
yeah thats realy teambuilding


Only if you want to read too much into it. You go ahead building mountains out of molehills while I look forward to the racing.
Lights
QUOTE (tkulla @ Mar 2 2010, 12:37) *
Wow. I still think this is a nothing story. Sure, it's a quiet news week in F1 and some tabloids might try to make something of it, but there's just nothing here.

And I'm surprised how many F1 fans are clamoring for a public relations answer to every question. Isn't that part of what makes modern F1 sterile and boring? Button told the truth. He didn't say he didn't care about the team - in fact, I'm sure he realizes that a big reason he was brought to McLaren was to help them win that elusive WCC. That's what the team cares about, and I'm sure Button cares about it too (as does Hamilton).

The team will not be upset by this at all. They want their drivers to want to win, and they also know that if the math works out a certain way then one driver will help the other. With modern telemetry it's easy for them to tell exactly what a driver is doing. Button would help Hamilton and vice versa if that situation came up. They wouldn't necessarily like doing it, but they would anyway.

Good post. up.gif
fenixracing
QUOTE (Clatter @ Mar 2 2010, 12:46) *
Only if you want to read too much into it. You go ahead building mountains out of molehills while I look forward to the racing.


oke maybe i got a littel to deep in it
i only wanne point out that it was a verry bad comment even if its put out of context
if we can think such bad things the ppl at mtc can think this also ,even if they are professional ppl they still have feelings and emtions
Clatter
QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:55) *
oke maybe i got a littel to deep in it
i only wanne point out that it was a verry bad comment even if its put out of context
if we can think such bad things the ppl at mtc can think this also ,even if they are professional ppl they still have feelings and emtions


It was only a bad comment because that's the only way you want to see it. I fully understand what he meant by it and believe that it will have zero effect back at Mac.
Jeag
QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:55) *
oke maybe i got a littel to deep in it
i only wanne point out that it was a verry bad comment even if its put out of context
if we can think such bad things the ppl at mtc can think this also ,even if they are professional ppl they still have feelings and emtions


Rofl, Jesus Christ....... NO ONE of any importance at McL could give a damn about that nothing comment Jenson made, don't worry no feelings or emotions were hurt lol.
GoonerLewis
Say i was racing against a fellow Brit in the same team i wouldn't want him to win the title if i couldn't. Maybe Lewis is just saying what people want to hear or he is saying that because he knows Jenson won't win it.
fenixracing
well i see now that i got it wrong on the most part and that i post alot of rubbish comments
got carried away and went to deep in it letting my personal feelings for button get to me
so i apologize to you guys
but i still think that comment is bad if he just told it different just to make safe that the press cant jump on to him
Buttoneer
I like you. We could do with a lot more humility round these parts.
Lights
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QUOTE (fenixracing @ Mar 2 2010, 14:58) *
but i still think that comment is bad if he just told it different just to make safe that the press cant jump on to him

That's the thing.. it's just really hard to be honest without the press jumping on you. It's not difficult to make a headline, especially for a British world champion.
mclarensmps
QUOTE (Clatter @ Mar 2 2010, 03:27) *
And just like Massa exposed Kimi.


I grant you that Kimi had a horrible final season at Ferrari, but it was Kimi that won them their last championship, and not Massa.
bonjon1979
Great interviews lewis and Jenson

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/videos/chrismo...0301_tina_lewis
Bonaventura
QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Mar 3 2010, 17:05) *


Amusing up.gif
They had a lot of fun
(I like Lewis loughter)


& thank God not for "UK customers only"
skid solo
A report in this weeks autosport quotes a Bridgestone spokesperson who said, Jenson is trashing his tyres whereas Lewis is managing them really well!
RoutariEnjinu
Jenson really does look assimilated!

Shorter hair, reduced beard, and referring to it as "Vodafone McLaren Mercedes" biggrin.gif
Bonaventura
QUOTE (skid solo @ Mar 4 2010, 15:05) *
A report in this weeks autosport quotes a Bridgestone spokesperson who said, Jenson is trashing his tyres whereas Lewis is managing them really well!

eek.gif
Lewis longrun on Sunday with the steadily dropping lap-times was very impressive
although the MP4-25 is not the easiest to drive (sliding and wobling out of corners according to "jjcale")
Grenada
QUOTE (skid solo @ Mar 4 2010, 14:05) *
A report in this weeks autosport quotes a Bridgestone spokesperson who said, Jenson is trashing his tyres whereas Lewis is managing them really well!


Jenson's "silky smooth style". wink.gif
Orin
There's a Button interview (video) on The Guardian:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2010...utton-interview
rolf123
QUOTE (skid solo @ Mar 4 2010, 15:05) *
A report in this weeks autosport quotes a Bridgestone spokesperson who said, Jenson is trashing his tyres whereas Lewis is managing them really well!


I find this hard to believe. Lewis trashed his tyres many times in his debut season. And Jenson has an obviously smooth style.

This does not add up.
Sisplatin
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Mar 5 2010, 15:25) *
I find this hard to believe. Lewis trashed his tyres many times in his debut season. And Jenson has an obviously smooth style.

This does not add up.

different cars in 2010, different tyres in 2010 and moreover i remember how Heikki used to say that he couldnot make his tyres last like Lewis did in 2008
Brian O Flaherty
QUOTE (skid solo @ Mar 4 2010, 15:05) *
A report in this weeks autosport quotes a Bridgestone spokesperson who said, Jenson is trashing his tyres whereas Lewis is managing them really well!

Shhhhhh!! You'll ruin what is the most boring and over-stated cliché on the whole forum biggrin.gif tongue.gif
undersquare
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Mar 5 2010, 14:25) *
I find this hard to believe. Lewis trashed his tyres many times in his debut season. And Jenson has an obviously smooth style.

This does not add up.


Which 'many' times are you thinking of in 07? The time he was an entire pitstop ahead of his teammate, if only they'd called him in? The time a chunk of rubber got stuck on the surface of the tyre?

Not to mention the 2 seasons he's had since.

Smooth is not the whole story, ask Heikki.
rhukkas
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Mar 5 2010, 14:25) *
I find this hard to believe. Lewis trashed his tyres many times in his debut season. And Jenson has an obviously smooth style.

This does not add up.


Hungary 2009 Hamilton maintained his tyres very very well whereas as the Brawn's destroyed them. What we conclude is that driving style ISN'T as clear cut in regard to tyre wear and speed as most think
Brian O Flaherty
QUOTE (rhukkas @ Mar 5 2010, 15:30) *
Hungary 2009 Hamilton maintained his tyres very very well whereas as the Brawn's destroyed them. What we conclude is that driving style ISN'T as clear cut in regard to tyre wear and speed as most think

And I'll add that a 'debut' season (as rolf123 cited) can not be used to beat someone with for the remainder of their career. If Lewis has learned nothing in the interim then he's a pretty stupid person. I'd wager that he isn't.
Grenada
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Mar 5 2010, 14:25) *
I find this hard to believe. Lewis trashed his tyres many times in his debut season. And Jenson has an obviously smooth style.

This does not add up.



Ha ha, I like your sarcasm (I assume you are being sarcastic?)
Buttoneer
QUOTE (rhukkas @ Mar 5 2010, 14:30) *
Hungary 2009 Hamilton maintained his tyres very very well whereas as the Brawn's destroyed them. What we conclude is that driving style ISN'T as clear cut in regard to tyre wear and speed as most think

Can we not conclude that the Brawns were prone to trashing their tyres and the McLaren's not? confused.gif

2010 will properly tell us how different (or similar) the two drivers are but I don't think you can conclude this from any period before where they were in different cars.

IMHO, of course.
fenixracing
the problem that the brawn car had was that it coudnt heat its tyres
rember jenson going up and down on the track during a race trying to get some heat in the tyres
i remeber some race engineer told during the 24hr of zolder that a smoot driving style isnt always good
a race tyre will only work when its get on temperature maybe because of jensons smooth style he cant get the the tyres up to the perfect heat
as a race tyre whil grain if its not getting the perfect temperature
if its true that jenson is trashing its tyres i see him having a hard year against lewis
but than again i never bin realy a fan of button hes great driver but thats it in my eyes but as mclaren i hope he does well
Mc_Silver
I think Button and Hamilton will be good teammates cuz they know they re working for the team. Button will be strong in race pace also he is good overtaker there will be some good battles!
OwenC93
I'm not sure if a heavier car makes it easier to heat tyres or not.
stuckinsecond
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Mar 6 2010, 10:02) *
I'm not sure if a heavier car makes it easier to heat tyres or not.


Yes it does.
stuckinsecond
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?u...l=&ie=UTF-8

"Lewis was damn fast, according to our calculations faster than Massa" said Haug (from the Mercedes team).
dabrasco
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/05032010/58/...on-happier.html

Lewis is very complementary about Button, he says

QUOTE
Hamilton, joking with Button like the best of friends but fiercely competitive the second he stepped behind the wheel, said his team mate's arrival at McLaren had also unexpectedly opened doors.

"Just working with him, he is probably one of the easiest people I know to get on with," he explained.

"He is very professional, I was blown away by how polite he is and well-mannered, which shows he has real good family values.

"I knew he was like that before, but when you spend quality time with someone, you get to see perhaps a bit more," added the Briton, who has never been beaten over the course of a championship by any team mate.

"For example, it might be opening a door for you, something small like that. I don't know many drivers who do that. I try to be a gentleman, but perhaps more to women."
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