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Well a seperate thread would be started asap

It seems Jenson is sending out a lot of combative signals already, like asking McLaren if they're Lewis's team

You think so ?
I doubt lewis will ever have the whole factory on his side EVER again after the alonso debacle and then on top of that lie gate.

Don't wanna do this but i agree with Willy Wonka. There are going to be people in the factory who may of lost some respect for Lewis for the lie gate and also people who got on with Alonso and David Ryan.

I think a lot of the lewis groupies are underestimating just how experianced jenson is, not only as a driver, but at also building a team around himself.
And this is something lewis will only achieve with maturity.
Though as i said above, i doubt he will ever get the team fully behind him after all the stress he has caused in the team since he has been there.
I can well imagine there are plenty of people that will back jenson to the hilt in team McLaren already.
No matter the public perception, there will be forever a lot of anger towards lewis because of what happened with alonso and lie gate where Dave Ryan who was a long standing and respected team mate was sacked, all to cover ANY wrong doing of lewis.

So experienced that Honda dumped the whole project in 2008. And let's not forget Jenson's great team building excercise of

"yes I am a Williams drivers now"

great team building that!

he got lucky in 2009 and Ross Brawn demonstrated his faith in jenson's abilities by replacing him with a 40 year old!

either Lewis is a PR savvy genius which is unlikely given his other comments.... or in that statement, we see why the team and Mclaren fans have really rallied around him since his arrival in 07 (apart from his speed), even with liegate and Alonso debacle.

Comparing both statements def. puts Lewis in a better space with the team (like his space isnt already good ) than Jenson. Only thing you can say in Jenson's defence is that he just got to the team so he doesn't yet feel such a sense of belonging though such statements wont help matters.

I think you will find its David Ryan that messed up and David Ryan that instigated the lie.

Also most of the stress centred around spygate which Lewis had no part in

but still who woud you support after such comments?
i have a weird feeling with jenson i just cant point out what it is



i think more ppl are pist at alo then lewis
lewis didnt send those emails to the fia

Clearly you are ill informed and hold a grudge.

Why did honda dump F1 ? because of jenson ? i have seen warped senses of reality before, but jesus, thats a stretch even for half wits like you.
So jenson made some mistakes in his career managment, who hasnt to be fair ? still doesnt get away from the fact that all in all, he has been a fantastic servant to Honda over the years.

So he was dumped for a 40 year old ?
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see what happened over the time frame of jenson leaving.
He and brawn played hard ball, and trust me, brawn unexpectadly lost for once, he was in fact quit bitter that jenson left and with him the coverted #1.
Is it not beyond reason that in fact MS was hired more for publicity than for what he many bring to the track ?
Because as great ( and dirty ) as MS was, he wont EVER be that driver again.
Things develope and move on, and without doubt he will still be good, but relentless as in his ferrari years ? no chance.
How was jenson lucky ? he won the wdc against 3 other drivers who also had just as good a car as him ?
Same as most drivers face when they win the wdc, except in a lot of the MS championships where he only had to face a team mate who have a tight rope around his neck !

Jense has never built a team around himself. Williams and Benetton dumped him, Fry saved him from dropping out of F1 altogether and then Brawn didn't bother too much about keeping him even with his wdc.

Lewis on the other hand is a byword for being part of the team, haven't you noticed all the videos from the MTC where he's the presenter?

As for Alonso and Ryan, the team knows exactly what happened. Lewis is still there and the others were tossed out.

Seems like hes going out of his way by saying im not another Heikki or words to that effect

You paint a very pretty picture for lewis there.
Please do tell me when his halo and wings are to be delivered
And they say alonso is made of teflon

but it comes to my mind lets say jenson cant be wdc 2010 and lewis can is he gonna help lewis?

So strange that both williams and renault tried to re hire him then hu, and even to this day, frank has nothing but good things to say about him as a driver.
And if he was indeed "saved" it was in fact dave that saved him
And well what can you say, he is in better company than some sopposed top drivers, i mean, no one came and saved the be all and end all, called kimi did they ?

Perhaps Ross Brawn ,would have something to say about Buttons team allegiance.

Well what really matters is what happens on the track

I doubt he will have a choice, and the same would go if the situation is reversed.

Amen to that mate, shouldnt you be on PF1

Jenson will soon realise gold fish bowl now that he has joined a top tier team. The Sky interview was a trap and he fell for it, Lewis didn't nor would Nando, Michael or Kimi - they're used to it.

The media are on a mission to stir up inter team rivalry between the 2 so there will many instances where the suggestion that either is getting preferential treatment over the other will be suggested - Jenson needs to learn that the world are now hanging on his every word.

For me, I predict fireworks between the 2

Button is quite the hypocrite and incredibly selfish. Did he not say he would need Lewis help to win the WDC? So he expects Lewis to help him win the WDC but now says he has no interest if he cant Win. Nice team player NOT! No wonder he back stabbed Williams and Brawn. Kimi was my preference

So , is Lewis recently driving for RedBull (wings & halo)
(or have I missed something)
But to be honest, Lewis would cut quite a dash with it.

Dont tell me your delicate sensibilities have been hurt
How dare he look after #1 oh, and he is also #1 isnt he

Well Jense is a very good driver, no surprise that Frank and Flav wanted him back later on. He hadn't built either team around himself though, had he?

Ryan was liegate. His cockup, his attempt at using a lie to get out of it, and Lewis at just 24 not standing up to his sporting director but being loyal. Max exaggerating everything to get Ron. Only the bashers play the "poor Daveykins" ditty.

Kimi. Well he should have been in the seat, and would have been if he'd been prepared to accept the money Jense is on. Great pity he didn't IMO, but things are good for him (and us) in wrc.

You dont even see the irony in your post

You couldn't write what he said could you?

I like the way you base all that on one sentence from some meaningless interview, go outside for the love of god and stop reading so much into every word that comes out of drivers mouths. I'm sure if Jenson knew that there were scary people on the internet that would twist what he said into him not helping LH win the WDC if he himself could not, he might have rephrased what he said in the interview to something that people stuck so far up LH's arse they can't see left from right couldn't turn every word he said into some attack on Lewis to hide their own doubts about the upcoming teammate battle.

Agreed. I've never been keen on him. I don't know where that "nice, easy going fellow" image comes from, plus a lot of negativity towards Hamilton. I think the situation is the reverse, but the British media have written it as they want us to see it.

No, its called you reading to much into things.

I think this applies to a lot of us, to be honest...

Button is quite the hypocrite and incredibly selfish. Did he not say he would need Lewis help to win the WDC? So he expects Lewis to help him win the WDC but now says he has no interest if he cant Win. Nice team player NOT! No wonder he back stabbed Williams and Brawn. Kimi was my preference


Bit harsh on jenson, don't think he's incredibly selfish, just giving a quick straight answer to a sh$t question

You really believe Lewis is stupid enough to tell the truth to press and then lie to judges out of blue sky? Dave Ryan screwed things, he tried having Lewis cover him up and they got caught - is that so hard to understand or do you just hate Lewis enough for believe something else?

Heidfeld was mine. Found out today he was on the verge of being signed before Brawn dumped Button, so they took the "world champion" instead. Great shame IMO. I think Heidfeld would have been a better team player.

Oh but thats the point, i do

I thought it was quite a good question and very pertinent. I am sure most other drivers would want their teammates to win if not them. Quite a shockingly selfish thing for Button to say actually.

yeh, could just imagine senna wanting prost to win if he couldn't

Selfish, or dumb
both would backfire some day

cmon guys we shoud be glad that those 2 are driving for maclaren

i think the most ppl agree with me that button got lucky last year im not saying hes a bad driver buth still he didnt do well in the second part of the season he just got lucky with a car thats bin developed for 15 months with honda's money if rubens didnt get those weird strategy piststops i doudt that he would be wdc
button is no kov im shure of that i only hope button is a teamplayer but i doudt that


on the liegate thing if your team says you have to say this you do it. i think the most ppl would do the same as lewis. i would
it was hard lesson for lewis buth i think he learnd of it hes seems more at rest after it more ppl seems to like him now
on the spygate lewis wasnt involved the only thing that happend was him and alo getting in to a fight and that has nothing to do with the spygate

Ignore Willy Wonka he's just a bitter fan boy Button fanboy who is not happy Button is in McLaren because he is finally facing some competition.

I'd say quite the opposite. If your teammate wins then it just emphasises your failing. If another team win you can still say it was the car. Regardless I'll put money on that if the situation arises where one is out of the championship they will help the other, even if reluctantly.

I prefer this site

Name one driver that would really want their teammate to win the WDC. Any driver that says so is either lying or not worth having (not competitive enough). Lewis gave the PR answer that no one believes, and Jenson told the truth. Move along, people, nothing to see here.

if you are going to crucify him for saying questionable things, why cant you give him the benefit of doubt that perhaps he may feel alot for the team and the guys there being with them for so long, that if for some reason he doesn't win the championship e.g. injury, bad luck or so, he'd still want the team to enjoy success.


It also points to the fact that Lewis doesn't feel threatened by Jenson and is very comfortable in his abilities and position in the team. Its much easier to say something like that when you feel it aint gonna happen

Bitter ?
Listen up matey, we button fans have thicker skin than elephants !
First it was he would never get a podium, that kinda back fired.
Then we heard how he would never get a win, umm well that didnt work out to well for the haters.
Then we heard how it was a lucky win, and he would never get another one, well we saw how that turned out
Then we heard he would never be a world champion guess what ? yep WDC baby !
You see, ever since he has been in F1 us JB fans have had to deal with the haters, and everything good he ever achieved was down to luck,
Yet somehow everything that went wrong was because he was an average driver.
So please dont dare to call me bitter, iam happy as a monkey in a room full of bananas !
Now if you want to know what bitter is, maybe a look in the mirror might help difine that meaning for you.
By the way did you get over excited with this line "bitter fan boy Button fanboy"

Of course, you don't believe he has the self confidence and assurance that he can beat Button, so in his mind, a scenario where he won't beat Button, in the team won't pan out.

For some that says he is thick skinned you sure have a funny way of showing it - dont worry keeping putting the smileys I am sure people would believe you are not nervous

Dont worry fanbutton boy he would be go for McLarens WCC.

Iam not worried, and i doubt you will find one jenson fan that regrets him going to macca, personaly i love it.
It was the biggest compliment a driver could get by being asked to drive for them.

"Dont worry fanbutton boy he would be go for McLarens WCC." was this another brain fart ??

All four WDC winners are going into this season feeling that this will be a year where they can add to their tally of championships. They know what it takes to win one and they all know they'll have the car good enough to do it.

As for the intra-team battle, I'm sure Lewis thinks he can beat Button and that Button thinks he can beat Lewis. That's the way it should be.