Posting a statement purely with the intention if winding up another poster is classed as trolling; you've just shown your true colours there...

If you were a genuine fan of the sport you'd be aware that McLaren had new parts arrive today and are more than likely doing set-up work? You think? Maybe?

EDIT - meh, spelling

I know it's testing. I don't care what they do out there. At all.

No intentions to wind up somebody. Simply trying to let the other user realize it's not up to Jenson what they did yesterday, as with Lewis today.

True colours? Wow. You're quick to judge. Too bad.

Gentlemen, the thread is Jenson vs Lewis, not member vs member. Please try to keep on topic. Thanks.

lewis is faster than jenson already.

So we have Lewis at 1:22.152 and Jensons best from yesterday 1:23.452.

Do you think both drivers follow the same testing schedule( Fuel amounts, stints etc)

Not with that time difference. They must be on different testing programs.

No they will be testing different things. You'll notice that LH hasn't done much running today, which hopefully coincides with new parts arriving and being bolted on.

Whats the track conditions like today compared to yesterday since the fastest lap from anyone so far today is already nearly a second faster than yesterday?

Track conditions would of improved a bit i think and it may be a bit warmer.

Here's an idea, seeing as though we can not conclude anything from the tests, and every Button, then Lewis fanboys trying to score on by saying Button/Lewis is faster today, therefore a better driver. Can we PLEASE lock the thread until the first race? Or at least by the time the first races comes is it possible to delete all comments, because its 33 pages of pure crap. Just a thought hey?

Excellent thought!

No

I think it's better to dicuss this theme here than anywehre else.

Don't read it then.

Indeed

Forums are like Tilke circuits ; everywhere needs it's crap. Otherwise where else are people going to be ludicrously biased and blinkered?

Gentlemen, the thread topic is Jenson vs Lewis, not 'is this thread worthy'

Thats the thing, theres nothing to discuss. The whole thing goes in circles.

Button fans spew out the same shit.
Lewis fans spew out the same response. or the other way round.

Until Bahrain we cant conclude a thing, we can discuss but we've discussed for 33 pages already with no base for knowing except our opinion, which seemingly means nothing.

Bishy - Dont worry, ive given up reading the Mclaren thread ;-)! I'd like to read this thread when theres stuff to read about but theres nothing. Even you must be tired of the "Button set faster time at Jerez, Lewis is shit LOLZOR" posts??

I understand your sentiment and in a way share your view; just some of us are bored (at work/home) and are trawling the internet looking for titbits to kep us amused till the 14th of March so yes 33 pages may be a lot but it reflect just how much anticipation surrounds this partnership

In hindsight i've complained quite a bit too and now realise I maybe should have taken a break from all forms of F1-related Media during the off-season; lesson learned for next year.

consistently then, there must be locked nearly every thread until BahrainGP.
I understand what you mean
but the this kind debate won't end only if one thread is locked

sorry Mod

back on topic

Lewis smells of wee and so does Jenson

Lewis speaks in high terms of Button :

Lewis Hamilton believes his new team-mate Jenson Button has given McLaren a boost,
and says he is working well with his countryman.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81743

a little bit funny:
"We haven't seen him too much over the last few days, but we get on really well," said the 2008 champion.

Lewis did look impressive today. Jenson not so much but i think this is to do with Lewis taking alot of setup work from Jenson from Saturdays test and understanding the upgrades more

I don't think Lewis will be taking Jenson's set ups and then working on them. It doesn't really work like that when you have 14 days to test an F1 car for a season.

I think we can safely assume Lewis will be quicker than Jenson. It's how Jenson reacts to that in Bahrain which will be most telling.

Let's go out on a limb, why don't we: Hamilton scores more points than Button.

I think both will be extremely challenged by both Scuderia Ferrari drivers as well as the august, mercurical Schumacher.

There!

Lewis was also faster then Jenson when he went first on dry testing days.

I just watched the Hungary 2009 race again. Very interesting that race. Even the car was much improved than previously, McLaren and Lewis did not expect to win it. The race was won because Lewis managed the tyres whilst other teams that were expected to be at the front had lots of problems with tyre degradation. What surprised me in that race was that Button had problems with the tyres.

Lewis certainly can run the tyres to the ground when pushing to the limit lap after lap. But as long as he's conscious of it, he can also manage the tyres as good as the best out there. His challenge in 2010, at the race start, will to control the red mist and take a measured approach exactly the same way he did at Hungary 2009. That race was a perfect example, where he didn't push too hard against Webber at the start and even when Webber re-took the place, Lewis simply hung just within reach for quite a number of laps and saved fuel and his tyres whilst Webber pushed his too hard too soon. When this occurred, Lewis, with the aid of KERS of course, overtook Webber with ease. Not only that, due to his earlier fuel saving, instead of having to pit a lap before Webber and Kimi as was predicted due to fuel loads, Lewis was able to actually pit a lap after hence cementing his lead. Then later on the race when he was on the super softs, he allowed Kimi to slowly decrease the gap in a measured way so as to allow his tyres to get through the initial period and slowly get them up to temperature, when he then increased his pace just enough to maintain the gap to Kimi and then eventually increase the gap slowly. It was very intelligent driving, but also no doubt a tribute to his engineer who would have ensured that Lewis was always aware of the strategy. In fact at one stage, Lewis came on the radio and asked his engineer whether it would be better to continue saving fuel when he was behind Webber and his engineer replied that Webber was struggling and Lewis' tyres looked stable so continue pushing.

Button has competed against Schumacher before and knows what to expect. From some accounts, during the weekend testing Schumacher played a quick mindgame with Lewis by lapping slowly (off the McLaren pace) in front of him briefly. Lewis either didn't want to overtake or couldn't. It either pissed him off, or didn't. It will either give him grudging respect for Schumacher, or it won't.

I'm of the opinion that Hamilton cannot be intimidated by anyone. That doesn't mean he can beat Schumie though.

definitly, i dont think lewis is bothered who michael is, whilst he will respect him, it wont change his frame of mind on track, he tackles everybody in the same way.

as for the few laps behind schumie, i wouldnt say risking an actual overtake in testing would be something lewis would do, just not worth it, so i dont think it was indicative of whether it was possible to overtake. well see in bahrain which is still ont the best track for that sort of thing. personally i think we'll see more people trying to overtake especially early on when more confident drivers think they can outbreak others with the new fuel loads. should be fantastic, but im also dreading the first corner in bahrain much heavier cars, more cars, new drivers, aggresive old drivers, and lewis who pretty much always attacks... im quite scared

Let's see what happens in Bahrain.

That may have been what he was up to. Hamilton being cool about it will have been part of the game too.

There's no doubt Schumacher is going to be a factor in this particular team-mate battle, but all three are world champions now and not only have the self belief to win, but to believe they are better than the others.

I think you completely misunderstood what he was trying to say and as usual ran to the defense of the beloved LH. On the Saturday when the new McL upgrade was introduced its rained so Jenson could not get any set up work on the car before his first race simulation of winter testing, yet he still said the car was good and consistent "straight out the box" but there was alot more speed in the car to be found and he hoped Lewis the next day would find the speed after picking up where Jenson left off; which would seem Lewis did with a good days set up work and running on the Sunday. You can find all this in the interviews.

Que LH fan to point out this was Jenson getting his excuses in before LH went faster....

Whats your point?

Though unless my memory is failing me i seem to remember Jenson setting the fastest time of anyone at Jerez (if it was LH we would never hear the end of it) and at the first test at Valencia it being nothing more than seat fitting and what not for Jenson.

how was the track when jenson put down that time?
and how was the track when lewis drove?

Interesting interview on Sky News. Both drivers were asked;

"Who would you want to win the WDC if it wasn't you"

JB - I don't care. As a driver you think of yourself first then the team
LH - My team mate. As a driver, it's not just about you, it's about 1000 people back at the factory, so If I can't win it I still want success for the team

Interesting

This is pure lies. Lewis is too cocky and arrogant to say something like that

Load of rubbish. Trying to make a story out of nothing.

You'd say that, wouldn't you

MS also held up FM and MW. LH was more agressive behind him but there was no way he was going to try to overake. The etiquitte at the track was to wait to be let past. The fact that one car cruised up to the back of another means it is faster at that point in time so the slower car gives way. MS took longer to give way than any other driver.

It was not a big deal. If it was two other drivers you would just conclude that the guy in front was being a prat.

For what it is worth. Macca, Ferrari and Redbull did not give way all of Sunday. They seemed always to be faster than the others even when the others were on low fuel runs...

It's no surprise really hearing this from Jenson. He isn't what you'd call a team player. Remember the whole "I am a Williams driver" saga

That is what they both said. It could just be mischief making but their respective answers were telling. The interviewer also told Lewis Jenson's answer - he looked a bit uncomfortable after that but still delivered the right answer.

I note Bernie doesn't think Jense is a match for Lewis....

http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2649

(subscriber only)

I'm a Lewis fan , but I seriously hope hope Jenson is up there with him.
If Jenson tops Lewis, good for him.
We need two good drivers if we want a shot at the WCC, and we don't need the crapstorm that Ferrari are heading for.
Being honest but slightly biased, I think Lewis will be in front most of the time, but if I'm wrong, I'll happily eat my hat, and cheer for Jenson.

Go McLaren.

Exactly

i think jenson gonna regret that becaus those 1000 ppl gonna work harder for lewis to be wdc then jenson
i dont think its very clever of jenson to say something like this think of all those ppl what do you think they wanne hear.

Imagine the upraoar if Lewis had said what JB said.

I can't see Jenson saying that to be honest. If he did then it won't do him any favours.

Have we got a link for these comments?

I can.

Why is that?

Yes here
http://blogs.news.sky.com/sportslines/Post...24-ce80c8d8e66d