What I'm saying is that if one of them is likely to react badly to being beaten, it's Lewis. I predict they'll work well together and be closely matched such that neither of them will feel the need for antics. It's much more likely that fireworks will come from the Ferrari drivers.

However i also think that both will work well together.

It is a bit amusing that Lewis never having been beaten, while Jenson has, becomes a psychological advantage for Jenson.

I get your point - you never know how someone will handle a situation they've never dealt with before.

I'd just be very surprised if Jenson was the guy to do this. And what I saw particularly in his rookie year, was a guy who when he saw at times Alonso outperforming himself in qualifying would redouble his efforts to study the data and get a handle on how and where Alonso was quicker, and then turn this around. All the while learning new tracks etc.

To me that was the mark of a very strong minded competitive individual, not someone who would just crumble at the first sign of adversity.

However, I don't see it coming up - I find it hard to believe that Jenson is as good as Alonso. Lewis had the measure of Alonso and therefore I expect him to have the measure of Jenson.

But, we'll see, won't we?

Honestly i think it will be alot closer then some people think.

Jenson is a very smooth driver and if you go to his website and listen to his audio diarys he constantly comments that he seemed to perfer it when he had alot of fuel in the car. Also i think he mentioned in the bahrain diary thats when he felt that redbull and toyota (redbull in particular) had caught up. Not to mention that in 2009 he learned "how to win" that seems to be a crucial part of a driver development in F1 over the years, heck mark webber "learned" how to win in 2009 and went on to win more too.

Lewis on the other hand a very good driver learned so much from the 2009 season. His 1st season as a back runner luckily enough he was in a team with the funding and knowledge to be able to catch up. This will have helped him appreciate when he has a great car and made him a better driver all round too.

Also in the 09 season it didnt help jensons standings as much as it could have in my opinion. Starting the year "perfect" then falling off because of many reasons makes it easy to criticize a driver regardless of many things. Lets just assume for arguement that jenson's right and the redbull and toyota had caught up by bahrain. He went on to win 4 more races on an "equal" playing field (not to mention that he had to get past vettel and both toyota's in the bahrain race to win). Then we get to silverstone brawn/redbull had a brought 2 brand new update package's. Redbull leaped ahead at this point the next car from the redbull was 25 seconds off the red bulls final race time. This also appeared (to me atleast) the point that the brawn update seemed to take atleast 1 step backwards.

While yes lewis is an amazing driver but when you go to a season with a backmarker and it ends up becoming a car that can win races it does help the standings of a driver. Especially if that drivers team mate is seriously underperforming or just negotiating with walls on more then a few occasions. Though this shouldnt take away from lewis being an incredibly strong driver. It just seems to me that there are many ways of looking at a season.

If we flipped the season and jenson had started in a midfield car and ended up staying in the points at the start of the season then at the final part of the season ended up winning the last 6/7 races he'd be praised as a hero. But alas that didnt happen. Like i said starting off strong then petering out for a while dosnt help a drivers standings as much as starting off terrible and getting stronger. Especially if that driver isnt seen as a front runner anyway.


Either way i feel its going to be an incredible season and i also think that jenson and lewis will work very well together

Looks Like Jenson is gonna need Hamilton's help to win the title.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/f1/story/0,255...5970439,00.html

Lewis needs the entire McLaren team too, if he wants to win the WDC
Jenson needs this, needs that....

As if McLaren don't kwow that, they are no beginners.

Never heard Lewis to claim something publicly

But it's clever from Button to put the whole team publicly in responsibility to work for him
in terms for "equality", it worked to his profit

Maybe it works to get the Nr. 1 status for him.

Lewis needs the entire McLaren team too, if he wants to win the WDC
Jenson needs this, needs that....

As if McLaren don't kwow that, they are no beginners.

Never heard Lewis to claim something publicly

But it's clever from Button to put the whole team publicly in responsibility to work for him
in terms for "equality", it worked to his profit

Maybe it works to get the Nr. 1 status for him.

Jenson and Lewis will get on fine. You can see that McLaren are bending over backwards to make sure he has nothing to complain about. Lewis is playing his part in this. They are being very smart.

Wait until Button is beaten four times and the press are on his back, all the favouritsm according to him will come creeping out through unamed sources.

Interesting, shame no one told Heikki that in '08 when he offered virtually no assistance to his teamate who went on to take the WDC by conquering 2 Ferrari's solo

Oh for ****s sake, get a grip

That's just horribly inaccurate.

From the article -

"In Formula One a driver cannot win the Championship by himself. Michael (Schumacher) and Fernando (Alonso) never would have won it by themselves," Button told Spain's Marca.

Interesting, shame no one told Heikki that in '08 when he offered virtually no assistance to his teamate who went on to take the WDC by conquering 2 Ferrari's solo

a. Heikki was a huge help to Lewis' title. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs their heads examined.

How so? He wasn't exactly holding back or taking points away, from the opposition. If he had done a better job Mac would have taken the WCC as well.

Maybe so, but he drove the car to the best of his abilities, and when crunch time arrived, he did what he had to, in order to wingman Lewis. You have to remember that the Championship was won by a mere point, and Heikki had to move over once or twice (if I remember correctly), to give Lewis that advantage.

Sure it may not be help in terms of outright speed, but it was help all the same.

I'm sure he did drive to the best of his ability, and that's why he is no longer a Mac driver. When did he move over for LH? I don't recall a single occasion when that happened.

The German GP was quite an obvious move over. Mind you, Lewis had every right to expect Heikki to move over since he was way faster than Heikki, and the team had screwed up the pitstop strategy. If Heikki had resisted, it would only have delayed Lewis from overtaking him, and possibly hurt Lewis's chances of winning the race.

I'm a Lewis fan... but since you asked - there's a good example.

Personally I agree that Heikki did a poor job of helping Lewis. Massa definitely benefited more from his teammate taking points away from Lewis, while Heikki rarely put himself in a position to do the same.

I'm sure he did drive to the best of his ability, and that's why he is no longer a Mac driver. When did he move over for LH? I don't recall a single occasion when that happened.

France, Silverstone, Germany. All very obvious occasions.

How so? He wasn't exactly holding back or taking points away, from the opposition. If he had done a better job Mac would have taken the WCC as well.

Exactly what I meant, seems there's a bit of misunderstanding going on here...

Jenson said it's impossible to win the WDC without your teamates assistance; Lewis proved him wrong.

Maybe so, but he drove the car to the best of his abilities, and when crunch time arrived, he did what he had to, in order to wingman Lewis. You have to remember that the Championship was won by a mere point, and Heikki had to move over once or twice (if I remember correctly), to give Lewis that advantage.

Sure it may not be help in terms of outright speed, but it was help all the same.

That's not what he said. He said you can't win it on your own, meaning there is a whole team of people that makes it happen. The teammate part is something the headline maker has put in.

Happy to stand corrected; that'll teach me to form an opinion based on a sensationalist headline!

Sorry, couldn't resist

From the article -

"In Formula One a driver cannot win the Championship by himself. Michael (Schumacher) and Fernando (Alonso) never would have won it by themselves," Button told Spain's Marca.

Interesting, shame no one told Heikki that in '08 when he offered virtually no assistance to his teamate who went on to take the WDC by conquering 2 Ferrari's solo

It will be Buttons first and last year at McLaren.

Lewis will hammer him....Jense will crack the shits and McLaren will tell him where to go.

Mmm dunno. When he did move over it was after really holding Lewis up for a lap or more, costing him time, and it looked like only doing it when he was ordered to.

And at Valencia he should have backed up the field to stop Rubens jumping Lewis at the pitstops, but he didn't.

So I don't think Kovy ever meant to be there for Lewis, he was fighting for his own results. He scored about half Lewis' points though, that's only a couple of cars in between them on average, not too bad really. Jense will have to drive well to do as well as that.

Mmm dunno. When he did move over it was after really holding Lewis up for a lap or more, costing him time, and it looked like only doing it when he was ordered to.

And at Valencia he should have backed up the field to stop Rubens jumping Lewis at the pitstops, but he didn't.

So I don't think Kovy ever meant to be there for Lewis, he was fighting for his own results. He scored about half Lewis' points though, that's only a couple of cars in between them on average, not too bad really. Jense will have to drive well to do as well as that.

Oh I understand that.

The point I was trying to make, though, is that, it's much better that he, being a teammate didn't try and fight for the positions, and made it easier.

No matter how bad your teammate may be, at some point or another in the season, he will have done something to help you acquire your championship. Whether this was willingly or inadvertently. In very rare cases has this not been the case.

I remember Silverstone 2008, He nearly took Hamilton out trying to keep first position, now that wasn't sensible at all.

I felt he did try and fight for the positons though, as far as the team allowed, and just moved over after he was told to. Not that I blame him for that, but I don't think he made a positive contribution to Lewis' campaign. And I think that problem was why he was so often fuelled heavy, so he wouldn't be in the way and reluctant to let Lewis through.



I thought that one was OK tbh. It was the start of the race so at that point it was not impossible that he'd be quicker. He carried a lot of speed into Copse, pretty impressive. At the time I just wished he'd moved over sooner after it was obvious he was holding Lewis up.

Topic is Jenson v Lewis and not Lewis v Heikki.

If there are going to be Jenson tracks and Lewis tracks then I'd say Barca is a Jenson track?

I'd definitely give it to Jense; it was one of his most convincing wins last year. Rubens was supposed to dominate, but look what happened. Jenson's silky style posed the advantage, and he was posting faster times than a guy doing 3 stops. I suspect Hamilton might suffer there, he's had a tendency to under-perform at the more demanding aero tracks. That's a fact.

I'm not sure which tracks to give LH though, maybe Indy. I'm sure Jenson will be more than a challenge everywhere else

I'd definitely give it to Jense; it was one of his most convincing wins last year. Rubens was supposed to dominate, but look what happened. Jenson's silky style posed the advantage, and he was posting faster times than a guy doing 3 stops. I suspect Hamilton might suffer there, he's had a tendency to under-perform at the more demanding aero tracks. That's a fact.

I'm not sure which tracks to give LH though, maybe Indy. I'm sure Jenson will be more than a challenge everywhere else

Good to know

I see what you're trying to do

Rubens would have won the race, if the team had switched Rubens 3 stopper to 2 like they did with Jenson's

If there are going to be Jenson tracks and Lewis tracks then I'd say Barca is a Jenson track?

No. There are no Jenson and Lewis tracks.

I'm not sure which tracks to give LH though,