Daniel Gallagher
Nov 12 2009, 20:04
Massa conceded an interview to Brazilian journo Felipe Motta of Jovem Pan and, when asked what happened to Kimi in Ferrari, he answered this:
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Well, in my opinion, nothing happened [to Kimi]. Kimi is a great driver. Always has been. For me, nothing happened between the Kimi from 2007 and Kimi from 2009 or 2008. If you go check, we had a very competitive championship in 2007, me and Kimi.
If you look at Monza, I had an 8-point advantage over him. It was Monza, at the end of the season. If you look at qualifyings, I was better than him. I started in fron of him more than he did in front of me. But there came Monza and in the worst scenario I would finish 3rd as Kimi was having a hard time in Monza and I was 3rd and the gap between us would increase to 10, 11 or 9, depending on the case.
At that moment in the championship, I was going to turn into the 1st driver. In the end he would have to help me to challenge for the championship, but I had a car failure and I fell down on the standings and then came Spa. In Spa, there was no way around Kimi. It´s the track he masters like no one in my opinion. He won the race and I came 2nd, so he took 2 further points off me.
And then came the moment when there was the need to decide, because if not Ferrari wouldn´t stand a chance to challenge for the championship. At that point I was 4 or 5 points behind and I couldn´t say anything. Let´s work for the team. But it was a very competitive year. It wasn´t a year where Kimi was any different from 2008 and 2009. So, to me, Kimi hasn´t changed a bit.
Source:
http://blogs.jovempan.uol.com.br/f1/geral/...felipe-massa-4/EDIT: Full accurate quote for context sake translated by yours truly.
raiseyourfistfor
Nov 12 2009, 20:20
That is pretty much true. Massa got screwed over in Monza and Hungaroring. raikonen is lucky to be WDC
Brawn BGP 001
Nov 12 2009, 20:23
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Nov 12 2009, 20:20)
That is pretty much true. Massa got screwed over in Monza and Hungaroring. raikonen is lucky to be WDC
Like Raikkonen did at Barcelona and Nurburgring?
ryan86
Nov 12 2009, 20:24
Whilst I agree in part, as much as Raikkonen was disappointing against Massa, this bang on the head seems to have turned Massa into a bit of an ass recently. We lauded him for the sporting way he took his defeat last year, but now he's starting to come out with these statements.
BMW_F1
Nov 12 2009, 20:26
True word for word..
QUOTE (ryan86 @ Nov 12 2009, 21:24)
Whilst I agree in part, as much as Raikkonen was disappointing against Massa, this bang on the head seems to have turned Massa into a bit of an ass recently. We lauded him for the sporting way he took his defeat last year, but now he's starting to come out with these statements.
I think he's cool
I like drivers speaking their minds, especially on their mother tongues when they think the Anglo-Saxon people aren't listening
Alonso's Spanish interviews are also the stuff of a legend, not to mention what Kimi says in Finnish
Atreiu
Nov 12 2009, 20:27
You don't want him to respond 'no comments' to everything, do you?
Mia 01
Nov 12 2009, 20:27
Massa needs this sort of ranting.
I hope MS can protect him against FA to.
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
RodrigoL
Nov 12 2009, 20:32
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 12 2009, 20:26)
True word for word..
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I´m not sure anything happened to Kimi. I always beat him in 2007, 2008 and 2009
Always?
QUOTE
I always qualified in front of him
Always?
QUOTE
until Monza I was beating him. Then, in that race, my car failed
But no mention of Kimi's 2 retirements...
QUOTE
the team thought it was better to give preference to him
By Massa's own admission, they did so in Japan.
Pathetic comments really....I don't understand the need for Felipe to 'big himself up' in these ways. Does he suffer from little man syndrome ?
se7en_24
Nov 12 2009, 20:33
QUOTE (Mila @ Nov 12 2009, 20:29)
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
It's going to be great.
I just hope Felipe is back to form or it may end up disappointing after all of his talk since his accident.
Brawn BGP 001
Nov 12 2009, 20:33
QUOTE (Mila @ Nov 12 2009, 20:29)
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
intelligentsia
Nov 12 2009, 20:33
Felipe has to start thinking and concentrating on Alonso now, recollecting past achievements will not make his task any easier.
BMW_F1
Nov 12 2009, 20:34
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Nov 13 2009, 01:32)
By Massa's own admission, they did so in Japan.
By Kimi's own admission he received support from Massa after Monza..
BullHead
Nov 12 2009, 20:34
QUOTE (Mila @ Nov 12 2009, 20:29)
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
Damn right it is "Alonso v Massa - gate" from the beginning! The story of 2010, but will it help or hinder their racing?
FenderJaguar
Nov 12 2009, 20:36
Crybaby...
BMW_F1
Nov 12 2009, 20:36
QUOTE (intelligentsia @ Nov 13 2009, 01:33)
Felipe has to start thinking and concentrating on Alonso now, recollecting past achievements will not make his task any easier.
connect the dots for me please.. He can say whatever he wants.. There are videos of him everywhere on the tube talking to Brazilan TV. He is a star there and they always ask him questions and he is very open. He's done this since he joined Ferrari.. - it has never impacted his performance in any way.
RodrigoL
Nov 12 2009, 20:36
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Nov 12 2009, 20:34)
By Kimi's own admission he received support from Massa after Monza..
But I thought Kimi was a chronic liar, whose word cannot be trusted for anything?
Fallout
Nov 12 2009, 20:37
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Nov 12 2009, 21:32)
Always?
Always?
But no mention of Kimi's 2 retirements...
By Massa's own admission, they did so in Japan.
Pathetic comments really....I don't understand the need for Felipe to 'big himself up' in these ways. Does he suffer from little man syndrome ?
This.
Oh and no mention of being outqualified in 2009 at Turkey, the track that Massa is so famous for.
Massa, Massa, Massa .. I think he should get over it and install some kind of mean-looking metal plate at his forehead, he needs to show these guys that he is TERRIFYING
BMW_F1
Nov 12 2009, 20:41
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Nov 13 2009, 01:36)
But I thought Kimi was a chronic liar, whose word cannot be trusted for anything?
when did he lie? .....
ryan86
Nov 12 2009, 20:48
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Nov 12 2009, 20:27)
You don't want him to respond 'no comments' to everything, do you?
Well, if I we go back to Interlagos 2008 Massa said "I know how to win, but I also know how to lose". I probably paraphrase, but he said something definitely along those lines and I think we all remmeber and understand the sentiments. Once you come up with a statement like that, you have to back it up and for all intents and purposes he did. But now he's came out with this (shows not being able to lose) and also having a snipe in an interview about last years finale about something.
If you want to be known as a gracious loser (that sounds worse than I mean it to sound - since I would like to see Massa win a WDC), you can't subsequently go around being bitter about the times you lost or saying you won when you blatantly didn't.
Bimmer
Nov 12 2009, 20:52
Well, Raikkonen won world championship, Massa didn't, so IMO he should think more about how to drive faster. I don't like Alonso, but I can't wait for next season when he will beat Massa, it will be really fun to watch.
primer
Nov 12 2009, 20:54
QUOTE (Mila @ Nov 13 2009, 01:59)
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
IMO Felipe is nervous about Fernando joining Ferrari. Perhaps Piquets have also been talking to him and filling his mind with nonsense. And of course Felipe knows how quick Fernando was next to Piquet Little.
dabrasco
Nov 12 2009, 21:03
crybaby... not cool from Massa
he sounds definitely worried about Alonso next year, he's been trying his best to mark his territory.
bring in the popcorn, someone get the drinks.... its gonna be fun at Ferrari next year
craftverk
Nov 12 2009, 21:06
why are people calling him a baby? pathetic comments especially when what he is saying is for the most part true
and if Alonso does beat him does that mean Hamilton + Alonso > Massa > Raikkonen?
grunge
Nov 12 2009, 21:07
bad bad baby
Yellowmc
Nov 12 2009, 21:09
Massa and Alonso will be a great pairing.
Raikkonen had his moments when he left Massa in his dust but he kept his mouth shut. Even though Massa beat Kimi over the years, his arrogance levels are way too high.
Ijsman
Nov 12 2009, 21:11
I hope Alonso beats him next year. And Kimi too, haha.
But I don't think Massa is quoted well, because Kimi beat Massa too. If Massa really said this, he has brain damage.
raiseyourfistfor
Nov 12 2009, 21:16
QUOTE (Brawn BGP 001 @ Nov 12 2009, 17:23)
Like Raikkonen did at Barcelona and Nurburgring?
Oh please, Massa had reliability problems in Australia and Silverstone as well. He definitely had more bad luck in 2007. If Kimi didn't beat him in France I doubt he would've gotten preference at the end of the year
Felipe baby needs that praise. He needs people give him that mental coaching and say that Felipe is the best. If he doesn't get that, he gets weak and insecure of his abilities. This is why he will struggle against Alonso when the intra-team battles start inside the team.
There will be time though where Domenicali/Monty regrets their driver pairing for next season.
Oh and Felipe has no class.
Maybe Massa feels his glory days are over,so he reminds us how good he was.
I can only see Massa being conquered by Alonso in almost every race.
BullHead
Nov 12 2009, 21:35
QUOTE (drag @ Nov 12 2009, 21:25)
Maybe Massa feels his glory days are over,so he reminds us how good he was.
I can only see Massa being conquered by Alonso in almost every race.
Oh, I don't know.... I really hope not. A battle royale both on and off track will be just.... delicious.
MikeTekRacing
Nov 12 2009, 21:36
QUOTE (intelligentsia @ Nov 12 2009, 22:33)
Felipe has to start thinking and concentrating on Alonso now, recollecting past achievements will not make his task any easier.
if he answers a question about kimi he can't talk about fernando
i don't think his answer is true he didn't always beat kimi, they were damn close in performance.
I still thnik that driver pairing was pretty much the best ferrari could hope for. Bloody quick but vastly underrated.
Sunflower
Nov 12 2009, 21:36
QUOTE (Daniel Gallagher @ Nov 12 2009, 22:04)
Massa conceded an interview to Brazilian journo Felipe Motta of Jovem Pan and, when asked what happened to Kimi in Ferrari, he answered this:
Source:
http://blogs.jovempan.uol.com.br/f1/geral/...felipe-massa-4/Seriously Filipe baby.... you did beat him but not all the time.... I think the knock to his head has made him forget a few things.
Oh i cant wait for 2010 this is gonna be a fun BB to be on.
grunge
Nov 12 2009, 21:37
Mauseri
Nov 12 2009, 21:40
It's these outbursts why people call him baby.
Fact is that Kimi 1 Massa 0 and that will never change. Maybe about qualifying Massa has a point, but the race is more important and the championship most important.
QUOTE (Mila @ Nov 12 2009, 21:29)
Ferrari is going to be fun next season.
... Brings out the popcorn.
Sidenote, Massa Massa Massa ... Your such a little whiner.
Desdirodeabike
Nov 12 2009, 21:44
These comments from Massa reek of his inferiority complex. Felipe baby indeed.
sleenster
Nov 12 2009, 21:44
QUOTE
Then, in that race, my car failed and the team thought it was better to give preference to him
So is Massa implying that the team was giving him number 1 status from the beginning? Did Ferrari just pay Kimi 45 million to be the number two driver to Massa?
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Nov 12 2009, 23:32)
Pathetic comments really....I don't understand the need for Felipe to 'big himself up' in these ways. Does he suffer from little man syndrome ?
Nevermind. Boy have to encourage himself, better loudly.
Crazy Ninja
Nov 12 2009, 21:47
Felipe baby stay cool!
This comments arent that big a deal. Kimi + Massa were never the best of friends. Its not unusual for the current teammate to critizise the outgoing driver. No big deal. Typical f1 driver ego stuff. The only surprising thing is that it's coming from Massa.
QUOTE (Bimmer @ Nov 12 2009, 23:52)
Well, Raikkonen won world championship, Massa didn't, so IMO he should think more about how to drive faster. I don't like Alonso, but I can't wait for next season when he will beat Massa, it will be really fun to watch.
Yup. Exactly my thoughts - Fred isn't quiet modest guy and main sponsor backup him. I wanna see something like in Nurgburgring 2007.
dabrasco
Nov 12 2009, 21:55
QUOTE (Crazy Ninja @ Nov 12 2009, 22:47)
Felipe baby stay cool!
comment of the thread... he really needs to stay cool. most of his comments since his injury arent putting him in the best light.....
BMW_F1
Nov 12 2009, 22:02
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Nov 13 2009, 02:55)
comment of the thread... he really needs to stay cool. most of his comments since his injury arent putting him in the best light.....
the only people who really care about these driver comments are forum posters.
Massa has nothing to worry about after all he has a contract with Ferrari who supports him 100%.
Massa is pathetic. If he doesn't get his perception straight he will never achieve anything important. Right now he looks like a sore looser only... Same old crap like in the past "boohoo there was something wrong with the car" "waaaah it was not my fault" bullshit. I so hope this mungo fails horribly in 2010 and loses his job over it.
Mauseri
Nov 12 2009, 22:12
QUOTE (Hippo @ Nov 13 2009, 01:04)
Massa is pathetic. If he doesn't get his perception straight he will never achieve anything important. Right now he looks like a sore looser only... Same old crap like in the past "boohoo there was something wrong with the car" "waaaah it was not my fault" bullshit. I so hope this mungo fails horribly in 2010 and loses his job over it.
I think there is a good chance we will hear a lot more moaning next year. Alonso will give him more mental challenge than Kimi did, and I think it will make Massa crack under pressure. It will not be good for him if he gets embarrassed both on and off track. But I will enjoy it.
Fact is Ferrari didn't replace the weaker driver of the two with Alonso only because he got injured.
Daniel Gallagher
Nov 12 2009, 22:16
Massa conceded an interview to Brazilian journo Felipe Motta of Jovem Pan and, when asked what happened to Kimi in Ferrari, he answered this:
QUOTE
Well, in my opinion, nothing happened [to Kimi]. Kimi is a great driver. Always has been. For me, nothing happened between the Kimi from 2007 and Kimi from 2009 or 2008. If you go check, we had a very competitive championship in 2007, me and Kimi.
If you look at Monza, I had an 8-point advantage over him. It was Monza, at the end of the season. If you look at qualifyings, I was better than him. I started in fron of him more than he did in front of me. But there came Monza and in the worst scenario I would finish 3rd as Kimi was having a hard time in Monza and I was 3rd and the gap between us would increase to 10, 11 or 9, depending on the case.
At that moment in the championship, I was going to turn into the 1st driver. In the end he would have to help me to challenge for the championship, but I had a car failure and I fell down on the standings and then came Spa. In Spa, there was no way around Kimi. It´s the track he masters like no one in my opinion. He won the race and I came 2nd, so he took 2 further points off me.
And then came the moment when there was the need to decide, because if not Ferrari wouldn´t stand a chance to challenge for the championship. At that point I was 4 or 5 points behind and I couldn´t say anything. Let´s work for the team. But it was a very competitive year. It wasn´t a year where Kimi was any different from 2008 and 2009. So, to me, Kimi hasn´t changed a bit.
Source:
http://blogs.jovempan.uol.com.br/f1/geral/...felipe-massa-4/Full accurate quote for context sake translated by yours truly.
QUOTE (Daniel Gallagher @ Nov 12 2009, 22:16)
Massa conceded an interview to Brazilian journo Felipe Motta of Jovem Pan and, when asked what happened to Kimi in Ferrari, he answered this:
Source:
http://blogs.jovempan.uol.com.br/f1/geral/...felipe-massa-4/Full accurate quote for context sake translated by yours truly.
Thanks. And there we have it- no controversy at all.
why so much hate? he is just saying that kimi from 2007-2008-2009 was the same
Massa is mostly right. There are certain tracks that Kimi just goes into another level. Hungary, Magny Cours, Spa. But for the vast majority of races Felipe was the more robust and reliable driver.
That's why Felipe still has a seat, and Kimi is going back to McLaren.
Kimi earned his title in 2007 though. It's true Ferrari backed him, and so, therefore, did Felipe. Kimi did the same thing in 2008 for Felipe. Swings and roundabouts.
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